code, which the pjsua module relies on, for TLS or SRTP. I haven't looked at the pjsua c code extensively and am wondering what people's opinions are in terms of the time it would take to implement or port the TLS and SRTP functionality into _pjsua.c and finish off the pjsua.py module. It's a shame the Python module isn't feature complete as it certainly is an excellent tool on a lot of levels. Thanks! -- Darren Sessions Digium, Inc. | Systems Engineer 445 Jan Davis Drive NW - Huntsville, AL 35806 - USA Check us out at www.digium.com & www.asterisk.org

couple of years, took a lot of courses and enjoyed it, but really felt like a "fifth wheel" at all the social functions. There certainly weren't any other singles there, and the couples, while polite, seemed to regard me as well...who knows? Didn't renew my membership later on. I believe they need to focus on recruiting and keeping younger members, otherwise membership will continue to decline. God knows I have a lot to learn and they have a lot to teach, but I think they need to learn to focus and encourage a wider age range mix to be successful. Maybe a "mentor" program? BTW, I'm thinking of joining again to take some more courses, specifically AP and Celestial. -- __________________ Keith Just be glad we don't get all the government we paid for.

ch as repairability versus planned obsolescence. This is at the crux of the issues facing our society and perhaps in particular trawler owners. Judging from the list postings it certainly appear that more trawler owners are fixing up older models than there are new boats being bought. In a sense our Trawler world list reflect the larger world out there. We have a mix of leading edge technocrats who always want to push the envelope; and ultra conservatives at the other end of the spectrum who are suspicious of that new fangled invention the transistor and all things electronic. Many trawler owners have asked for assistance in locating suitable replacement parts for windows, doors and interior furniture and trim. The scarcity of repair parts is indicative of how we live in a consumer society that regards all things as disposable rather than lasting for the long term. Popular Mechanics ran an interesting special section this month. It focused on buying a well used 1986 Chevy truck in terrible condition and refurbishing it to like new condition. The two part series describes the steps involved in a complete overhaul. The end result will be a like new vehicle, but at considerably lower cost. I find this encouraging. It indicates a shift in public opinion towards a conserver society that recycles, rebuilds. and renews. Can any of the people who are doing a major refit document their costs and construction involvement in sufficient detail to make an article of it? When the USCG finally retired some of the earliest fiberglass surf boats they dismantled them and cut apart the hull to ascertain exactly how much wear these hulls had suffered. It was concluded that the boats could have been left in service for many more years. Likewise, many older production boats have been snapped up at bargain prices and fully upgraded and refurbished. I for one would like to encourage this list to promote the idea of conserving and renewing the various older boats you can find in every harbour. I realize the boat manufactures may not like this notion but you can expect the after market and equipment suppliers to endorse this concept. Wooden boat magazine devotes considerable space to articles dealing with restoration, and repair of older wooden boats. I'm sure there is as much a demand for such a format but related to the broader range of all hull materials used for trawler type boats. And here I would like to accept the broader definition of trawler to mean any displacement and semi displacement hull, slower cruising boat ands even semi-planing hulls. I would like to think the broad description should be inclusive rather than exclusive. Trawlering as applied to recreational boats is as much a philosophical perspective on life and the world as it is a technical definition of a particular boat hull and commercial workboat application. Cheers Arild --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.423 / Virus Database: 238 - Release Date: 11/25/2002

le way up. These take only ten minutes or less, done at a convenient point in the middle of the yoga routine. When I first did crunches, it was only the basic straight ones. When I added five or six other variants, such as twisting the upper body while lifting it, first toward one side, then toward the other, I could hardly believe how rapidly I felt better. Much more flexible, much stronger abs. Thanks to yoga (for some months now) and crunches (for only a few weeks) I feel better all day every day. I can stand or walk for long periods with no lower back soreness, and do strenous yard work, or nasty maintenance chores, without feeling like I've been beat up afterwards (my hands still feel beat up). The benefits for the time and effort involved are terrific, and I'm speaking as one who was desk-bound for thirty years, and would never stay with (or even not hate or be totally bored with) any previous exercise routine. Richard Cook New Moon Bounty 257

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nnected the shaft from my starboard >transmission to correct a problem with a seal leaking. I noticed that when I >disconnected the flange that the shaft could drop a ways (maybe a half inch?). >There was lots of play in the stern tube. Is this normal? If so, how would >one check alignment with all of this play in the shaft? I may be hauling out >for bottom paint and want to make any corrections while it is out. > >Thank you, > >Paul Brannon >1978 Gulfstar 44 MC >_______________________________________________ >http://lists.samurai.com/mailman/listinfo/trawlers-and-trawlering > >To unsubscribe send email to >trawlers-and-trawlering-request@lists.samurai.com with the word >UNSUBSCRIBE and nothing else in the subject or body of the message. > >Trawlers & Trawlering and T&T are trademarks of Water World >Productions. Unauthorized use is prohibited. > > > -- Grace, a Mainship 400 www.grace.crdavis.com

happy with. You did not include the specs from the ICOM and replacement radios but I suspect you would find that the ICOM is speced to be more sensitive. You are mistaken in thinking that the difference in the radios is related to filtering. The $99 Uniden is no where near as good a receiver as the top of the line ICOM vhfs. As a practical matter this sort of complaint is fairly routine by people who upgrade radio receiving equipment but fail to take into the account the consequences of more sensitive radios. Regards, Mike _____________________________________ Capt. Mike Maurice Tigard Oregon(Near Portland)

I don't really understand what > RX/TX > "sensitivity" would have to do with a radio allowing noise > (inverter, > engine, or other) to interfere with RX/TX. I appreciate your input > on this > (seriously) but I think the larger issue goes to the ICOM POV - it's > always > somebody else's fault. The SH I installed is the Quantum GX 5500S. > I > believe the specs match up to the ICOM pretty well but again I'm no > EE. > Anyway, thanks for the input. If you are right that it's really a > sensitivity issue then I would argue that ICOM needs a better > understanding > of real-world installations. (Again, no connection to SH) > > > > Bill > _______________________________________________ > http://lists.samurai.com/mailman/listinfo/trawlers-and-trawlering > > To unsubscribe or modify your subscription options (get password, > change email address, etc) go to: > http://lists.samurai.com/mailman/options/trawlers-and-trawlering > > Trawlers & Trawlering and T&T are trademarks of Water World > Productions. Unauthorized use is prohibited. > > ____________________________________________________________ Click to get a free auto insurance quotes from top companies. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/Ioyw6i3m2nsTiab1hZgNqQeXJyYIjisUtbG1jSPm2H4QYkWAFqFpYA/

e essentially produced for the auto stereo market. The filter has three or sometimes four leads, depending on the manufacturer, two of which are the "hot" in and out power and the rest ground. It would be installed in the power feed to the radio, with the radio power lead cut and run through the filter and the ground lead (s) from the filter connected to a good ground. On my boat the filter is by the breaker panel with all the electronics, except the auto-pilot and radar, fed thru the filter. In my case an un-fused lead (except for the main breaker) is run off the main positive buss and then the output of the filter is connected to the appropriate breakers. If you do not already have a good ground connection at the radio location it would be a good idea to install one if at all possible. It should be considerably larger in size than the usual power leads supplied with a radio and should run as direct as possible to the main ground point on your boat. I am certain that if you were to drop into any better car stereo installation shop they would have such a device in stock as power lead noise is not an unusual situation. Let me know if you have any more questions and good luck John Tones MV Penta Sidney, BC