t know the Dell 8600 but I have a not quite 2 year old Dell Inspiron 8500 that I use for nav purposes and a Dell Inspiron 8200 that my daughter uses in grad school which is just over 2 years old. We have had so many problems and parts replacements on BOTH machines -- memory, motherboards, keyboards, hard drives etc. and they are so unreliable that we are about to replace them both. Dell service is horrible with hours and hours spent on each failure. We have had so much trouble that I now consider them to be totally unreliable for navigation purposes, hence their replacement. Based on prior experiences with other laptops for navigation, I still believe in laptops, just not Dell units. We have a pilothouse boat and I have found that the normal laptop screen works quite well as long as I put a black plexiglas screen around it for daytime use. For night use, I put dark grey plexi (2 layers) over the screen. With the plexi in both cases, the normal screens have been all that I needed. No connection to Dell at all. Just a terribly dissatisfied customer that has spent a lot for these two computers and expected to have a better result! Jim (Jim & Mim McCrea, mcc272@aol.com Nordic Tug 32-154 "North Star" Home Port Norwalk, CT)

nact olden times for the sheer challenge of it. I used to belong to such a group. We used flint locks or( gasp ) modern percussion cap muzzle loaders. Period costumes was de rigeur - and woe to anyone caught wearing polyester or even a blend. It was cotton or wool or skins - nothing else permitted. It was all in good fun, just to see if we could measure up to the challenge. And of course there are several instances of scandinavians building and sailing Viking longships from Europe to Vinland and vice versa, not to mention other arcane nautical re-enactments such as the Tall ships. Guess navigating with paper chart and pencil, not to mention a chronometer and perhaps an octant or two < grin > will become another form of nautical challenge and nautical re-enactment. About a decade ago a university professor took a 36 footer around the world without use of modern navigation instruments. They used a sandglass for time keeping, a chip log for speed and so on. No problem. The Canadian Hydrographic staff at the Central Region office in Burlington Ontario have a re-enactment group for chart survey work. They use a 27 foot long boat built like the survey launches used by Capain Cook and also Captain Bayfield when surveying the Canadian Great Lakes back in 1811 - 1832. Great fun! They get invited to all the museum and historic sites celebrations. One year they were invited to Fort Louisburg in Cape Breton. This is where Captain James Cook first developed his techniques for chart work and which have been in use until the late 20th century. The survey launch provides a peek into the past and how nautical charts were created right from the beginning. Cheers Arild --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.735 / Virus Database: 489 - Release Date: 8/6/2004

l would be for this type traveling, crew of 2 with very occasional guests. Budget $200K or less. On line or off-line at _oyster485@aol.com_ (mailto:oyster485@aol.com) Carl Mischka New Bern NC ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.

____________ C. Marin Faure GB36-403 "La Perouse" Bellingham, Washington

ct it's a twin plus a generator. Also, the '73 and early '74 fiberglass hulls built under the supervision of Howard Abbey are pretty stout. I believe the later ones are a bit lighter although the boat got bigger in 1988 and probably gained the weight back. ______________________________ C. Marin Faure GB36-403 "La Perouse" Bellingham, Washington

ularly the so-called "Taiwan Trawlers," is that American Marine achieved from the outset what many of the other companies could not, and that was consistency of construction. Other trawlers have design features that some people prefer over Grand Banks, and in some cases certain aspects of their construction may be better, or at least equal to, Grand Banks. But where the Taiwan Trawlers fell down was in the consistency of their construction. When we entered the market for a trawler back in 1998, one of the first things we learned about boats like CHBs, etc. was that while one particular boat can be a real gem in terms of construction quality and integrity, the next hull number up can be a disaster. The reason for this, we were told, is the manner in which the Taiwan boats are, or at least were, made. The parent yard molded the hull but then the hulls were farmed out to small, family-owned boatyards for completion. So the construction quality of the finished boat became totally dependent on the construction and quality standards of the little yard that completed the boat. For example some of them used pieces of packing crates to provide stiffeners for fiberglass cabin sides. It was a low-cost solution, but when this kind of wood gets wet it rots out practically overnight. Other yards used quality, sealed marine ply as cabin side stiffeners. Unfortunately, short of disassembling the boat, there is no way to tell how a particular boat was made. The hardware used by one yard was not always of the same quality as the hardware used by another yard. American Marine, with an already-established, consistent process of making their wood boats in Kowloon, set up an even more consistent manufacturing process for their fiberglass boats in Singapore from day one. All the work on every boat was done in the American Marine facility. The original molds were designed by Howard Abbey and for the first year or so after the start of fiberglass production he oversaw the construction of each hull. The processes he and others established were followed consistently (and still are). Materials did not vary widely from boat to boat. Hardware was standardized, and so on. The design features and construction techniques of a GB are certainly open for discussion as to whether or not someone likes them. But-- setting aside owner neglect or abuse-- the one thing you can count on with a GB is that no matter the year or the hull number, any one boat will be every bit as good as all the rest of them. There are no "packing crate specials" lurking out there to ruin someone's day...:-) ______________________________ C. Marin Faure GB36-403 "La Perouse" Bellingham, Washington

that is where the oil collects in the box under the motor. I have lined the box with paper towels, abosorbtion mats etc. and cannot find the drip line. It seems to only leak when run for several hours, not one or two. I thought the front main seal may be the culprit, but have ruled that out. Also, I do not believe it is the valve cover or any of the cooling lines. It will drop a quart in 20 hours, so it is worth the concern. Any tips you have to find the culprit would be appreciated. How about an oil dye or something to make the source more identifiable? Thanks Tom _______________________________________________ http://lists.samurai.com/mailman/listinfo/trawlers-and-trawlering To unsubscribe or modify your subscription options (get password, change email address, etc) go to: http://lists.samurai.com/mailman/options/trawlers-and-trawlering Trawlers & Trawlering and T&T are trademarks of Water World Productions. Unauthorized use is prohibited.

re was no reason to change the oil until the normal interval. Maybe you can get the dye from a Chevy dealer. Tim Behan 1983 36' Monk +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ This is going to sound lame, but I am having a heck of a time finding an oil leak on my 120 Lehman/34Chb. . . . . . . Any tips you have to find the culprit would be appreciated. How about an oil dye or something to make the source more identifiable? Thanks Tom ________________________________________________________________________ Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail! - http://mail.aol.com

gine to get the lines and filter filled with oil. To my amazement, the dipstick indicated I was low 2 quarts. Somehow, my engine had the wrong dipstick (from a 135???). I rescored the dipstick and solved my oil leak problem. FWIW. Martin Veiner _____________________________________________________________ Learn to trade futures online and make extra money. Click here to learn more! http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2111/fc/Ioyw6iiejQIyQv2s1zHqKJsdjeG5PJ17z wP0Hiv876NAc7QEoPhc1e/