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DMgeorge@aol.com
Thu, Dec 9, 1999 3:49 PM

12/9/99

I am seriously looking at a new 37' Nordic Tug and have learned  a lot from
the members of this list relative to boat performance, seaworthiness, and the
like.  Thank you very much.

Now I would appreciate any comments by list members on the types of amenities
they are really glad they have in their boats or that they wish they had, or
could do without.

I'm talking about things like window blinds, porcelain vs stainless steel
sinks, fabrics, washer/dryer units, fitted bed sheets, etc .... those things
that make living aboard easier or more enjoyable.

Thanks for your help,
Don George
Michigan

12/9/99 I am seriously looking at a new 37' Nordic Tug and have learned a lot from the members of this list relative to boat performance, seaworthiness, and the like. Thank you very much. Now I would appreciate any comments by list members on the types of amenities they are really glad they have in their boats or that they wish they had, or could do without. I'm talking about things like window blinds, porcelain vs stainless steel sinks, fabrics, washer/dryer units, fitted bed sheets, etc .... those things that make living aboard easier or more enjoyable. Thanks for your help, Don George Michigan
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mick@ricochet.net
Thu, Dec 9, 1999 4:49 PM

Well, my Significant Other, and partner in this live-a-board thing pines for
a washer/dryer unit.  But, we had draw the line at the dishwasher - just not
enough room!

Mick (& Laurelyn)
The Salty Dog - Krogen Manatee
Port of San Francisco

----- Original Message -----
From: DMgeorge@aol.com
To: trawler-world-list@samurai.com
Cc: CallRonnie@aol.com
Sent: Thursday, December 09, 1999 7:49 AM
Subject: TWL: Amenities

12/9/99

I am seriously looking at a new 37' Nordic Tug and have learned  a lot

from

the members of this list relative to boat performance, seaworthiness, and

the

like.  Thank you very much.

Now I would appreciate any comments by list members on the types of

amenities

they are really glad they have in their boats or that they wish they had,

or

could do without.

I'm talking about things like window blinds, porcelain vs stainless steel
sinks, fabrics, washer/dryer units, fitted bed sheets, etc .... those

things

that make living aboard easier or more enjoyable.

Thanks for your help,
Don George
Michigan

Well, my Significant Other, and partner in this live-a-board thing pines for a washer/dryer unit. But, we had draw the line at the dishwasher - just not enough room! Mick (& Laurelyn) The Salty Dog - Krogen Manatee Port of San Francisco ----- Original Message ----- From: <DMgeorge@aol.com> To: <trawler-world-list@samurai.com> Cc: <CallRonnie@aol.com> Sent: Thursday, December 09, 1999 7:49 AM Subject: TWL: Amenities > 12/9/99 > > I am seriously looking at a new 37' Nordic Tug and have learned a lot from > the members of this list relative to boat performance, seaworthiness, and the > like. Thank you very much. > > Now I would appreciate any comments by list members on the types of amenities > they are really glad they have in their boats or that they wish they had, or > could do without. > > I'm talking about things like window blinds, porcelain vs stainless steel > sinks, fabrics, washer/dryer units, fitted bed sheets, etc .... those things > that make living aboard easier or more enjoyable. > > Thanks for your help, > Don George > Michigan > >
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craigmudge@hotmail.com
Thu, Dec 9, 1999 5:11 PM

----- Original Message ----- >
I would appreciate any comments by list members on the types of amenities

they are really glad they have in their boats or that they wish they had,

or

could do without.

I'm talking about things like window blinds, porcelain vs stainless steel
sinks, fabrics, washer/dryer units, fitted bed sheets, etc .... those

things

that make living aboard easier or more enjoyable.

Thanks for your help,
Don George
Michigan

Don-

Interesting question...

Here's my input for a liveaboard trawler:

  1. Comfortable chairs for the crew!
    Your boat should have room for comfortable seating for reading, relaxing,
    listening to music, watching videos, etc.
    So many of the boats we see fill all available cabin space with built-in
    seating. It looks good and saves space, but
    is seldom truly comfortable for a liveaboard. (Imagine not having a single
    comfy place to sit in your entire house!) We
    have a pair of the swedish EKORNES recliners w/ footstools. They're great.
    We use them in our cottage when the boat
    is in winter storage.

  2. Storage space!
    It makes life so much easier to keep things shipshape...saves time cleaning
    up clutter...keeps you from slipping &
    tripping over things.

  3. A window treatment for privacy at a dock!
    Anything can do the trick, but you'll want to avoid the fishbowl feeling.

  4. We covet fitted bedsheets, but so far haven't splurged to buy them.
    When I change the sheets on our irregularly shaped master berth, I wrestle
    for five minutes with elastic garter belts.

  5. Washer/Dryer!
    It takes a lot of space...but it saves so much laundromat time when
    cruising.

  6. Crockpot slow cooker!
    Great for cooking underway.

I'm sure I'll think of others after I hit the send button.

Craig Mudge
Krogen-42 "Integrity"
Portland, Maine

----- Original Message ----- > I would appreciate any comments by list members on the types of amenities > they are really glad they have in their boats or that they wish they had, or > could do without. > > I'm talking about things like window blinds, porcelain vs stainless steel > sinks, fabrics, washer/dryer units, fitted bed sheets, etc .... those things > that make living aboard easier or more enjoyable. > > Thanks for your help, > Don George > Michigan > > Don- Interesting question... Here's my input for a liveaboard trawler: 1. Comfortable chairs for the crew! Your boat should have room for comfortable seating for reading, relaxing, listening to music, watching videos, etc. So many of the boats we see fill all available cabin space with built-in seating. It looks good and saves space, but is seldom truly comfortable for a liveaboard. (Imagine not having a single comfy place to sit in your entire house!) We have a pair of the swedish EKORNES recliners w/ footstools. They're great. We use them in our cottage when the boat is in winter storage. 2. Storage space! It makes life so much easier to keep things shipshape...saves time cleaning up clutter...keeps you from slipping & tripping over things. 3. A window treatment for privacy at a dock! Anything can do the trick, but you'll want to avoid the fishbowl feeling. 4. We covet fitted bedsheets, but so far haven't splurged to buy them. When I change the sheets on our irregularly shaped master berth, I wrestle for five minutes with elastic garter belts. 5. Washer/Dryer! It takes a lot of space...but it saves so much laundromat time when cruising. 6. Crockpot slow cooker! Great for cooking underway. I'm sure I'll think of others after I hit the send button. Craig Mudge Krogen-42 "Integrity" Portland, Maine
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martinc@mchinery.fsnet.co.uk
Thu, Dec 9, 1999 5:15 PM

Don,

As a die hard liveaboard I would say that a clothes washer/dryer has been
the best appliance I have purchased for my vessel and one I could not do
without now.

You mentioned sinks,  I have had both stainless steel and porcelian and
would go for stainless steel everytime, they are strong, easy to clean and
will not crack or chip like porcelian.

Martin Chinery (HLD Compass Rose) River Medway, Kent. England

----- Original Message -----
From: DMgeorge@aol.com
To: trawler-world-list@samurai.com
Cc: CallRonnie@aol.com
Sent: Thursday, December 09, 1999 3:49 PM
Subject: TWL: Amenities

12/9/99

I am seriously looking at a new 37' Nordic Tug and have learned  a lot

from

the members of this list relative to boat performance, seaworthiness, and

the

like.  Thank you very much.

Now I would appreciate any comments by list members on the types of

amenities

they are really glad they have in their boats or that they wish they had,

or

could do without.

I'm talking about things like window blinds, porcelain vs stainless steel
sinks, fabrics, washer/dryer units, fitted bed sheets, etc .... those

things

that make living aboard easier or more enjoyable.

Thanks for your help,
Don George
Michigan

Don, As a die hard liveaboard I would say that a clothes washer/dryer has been the best appliance I have purchased for my vessel and one I could not do without now. You mentioned sinks, I have had both stainless steel and porcelian and would go for stainless steel everytime, they are strong, easy to clean and will not crack or chip like porcelian. Martin Chinery (HLD Compass Rose) River Medway, Kent. England ----- Original Message ----- From: <DMgeorge@aol.com> To: <trawler-world-list@samurai.com> Cc: <CallRonnie@aol.com> Sent: Thursday, December 09, 1999 3:49 PM Subject: TWL: Amenities > 12/9/99 > > I am seriously looking at a new 37' Nordic Tug and have learned a lot from > the members of this list relative to boat performance, seaworthiness, and the > like. Thank you very much. > > Now I would appreciate any comments by list members on the types of amenities > they are really glad they have in their boats or that they wish they had, or > could do without. > > I'm talking about things like window blinds, porcelain vs stainless steel > sinks, fabrics, washer/dryer units, fitted bed sheets, etc .... those things > that make living aboard easier or more enjoyable. > > Thanks for your help, > Don George > Michigan > >
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gbrooks@ncia.com
Thu, Dec 9, 1999 6:06 PM

Don,

Three key items come to mind:

  1. A coil spring mattress.  We bought an queen size, adjustable bed, coil
    spring mattress, folded it in two to get in into the aft cabin, then
    unfolded it.  If  the bunk is not an a standard size there are several
    sources for custom made coil spring mattresses.

  2. Comfortable swivel rockers.  Built-in furniture is seldom comfortable, we
    have two swivel rockers.

  3. A free -standing diesel heater.  Although we have a diesel hot air
    furnace we are currently adding a free standing heater to enjoy the
    continuos warmth that so many of our friends enjoy.

Regards,

George Brooks
Nereid_V  1981 45' CHB Tri-cabin    http://Nereid_V.tripod.com/
La Conner, WA  ( ten miles from the Nordic factory)
gbrooks@ncia.com

Now I would appreciate any comments by list members on the types of

amenities

they are really glad they have in their boats or that they wish they had,

or

Don, Three key items come to mind: 1) A coil spring mattress. We bought an queen size, adjustable bed, coil spring mattress, folded it in two to get in into the aft cabin, then unfolded it. If the bunk is not an a standard size there are several sources for custom made coil spring mattresses. 2) Comfortable swivel rockers. Built-in furniture is seldom comfortable, we have two swivel rockers. 3) A free -standing diesel heater. Although we have a diesel hot air furnace we are currently adding a free standing heater to enjoy the continuos warmth that so many of our friends enjoy. Regards, George Brooks Nereid_V 1981 45' CHB Tri-cabin http://Nereid_V.tripod.com/ La Conner, WA ( ten miles from the Nordic factory) gbrooks@ncia.com > Now I would appreciate any comments by list members on the types of amenities > they are really glad they have in their boats or that they wish they had, or
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dmelliot@concentric.net
Thu, Dec 9, 1999 9:24 PM

I really love the washer and dryer, wish I had Vacuflush heads but if not I
think electric heads are a minimum, couldn't live without the microwave and
the large refer and freezer with ice maker.  I would also consider a trash
compactor on my next boat and I would not consider a living aboard without
window blinds or curtains in the salon and staterooms if needed for privacy.
Good lamps for reading and comfortable seating for lounging are also tops on
my list for living aboard as well as a spot for doing office work.

Michael Elliott
Salty dog
Krogen 42

nip>

Now I would appreciate any comments by list members on the types of

amenities

they are really glad they have in their boats or that they wish they had,

or

could do without.

I'm talking about things like window blinds, porcelain vs stainless steel
sinks, fabrics, washer/dryer units, fitted bed sheets, etc .... those

things

that make living aboard easier or more enjoyable.

I really love the washer and dryer, wish I had Vacuflush heads but if not I think electric heads are a minimum, couldn't live without the microwave and the large refer and freezer with ice maker. I would also consider a trash compactor on my next boat and I would not consider a living aboard without window blinds or curtains in the salon and staterooms if needed for privacy. Good lamps for reading and comfortable seating for lounging are also tops on my list for living aboard as well as a spot for doing office work. Michael Elliott Salty dog Krogen 42 nip> > Now I would appreciate any comments by list members on the types of amenities > they are really glad they have in their boats or that they wish they had, or > could do without. > > I'm talking about things like window blinds, porcelain vs stainless steel > sinks, fabrics, washer/dryer units, fitted bed sheets, etc .... those things > that make living aboard easier or more enjoyable. >
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mick@ricochet.net
Thu, Dec 9, 1999 10:06 PM

Hi Michael -

I'll trade you a Vacuflush system and a first-round draft pick for the
washer/dryer.  Of course the Krogen 42 would have to come along since space
is THE issue.

Mick
Salty Dog - Krogen Manatee

----- Original Message -----
From: Michael Elliott dmelliot@concentric.net
To: DMgeorge@aol.com; trawler-world-list@samurai.com
Cc: CallRonnie@aol.com
Sent: Thursday, December 09, 1999 1:24 PM
Subject: TWL: Re: Amenities

I really love the washer and dryer, wish I had Vacuflush heads but if not

I

think electric heads are a minimum, couldn't live without the microwave

and

the large refer and freezer with ice maker.  I would also consider a trash
compactor on my next boat and I would not consider a living aboard without
window blinds or curtains in the salon and staterooms if needed for

privacy.

Good lamps for reading and comfortable seating for lounging are also tops

on

my list for living aboard as well as a spot for doing office work.

Michael Elliott
Salty dog
Krogen 42

snip>

Now I would appreciate any comments by list members on the types of

amenities

they are really glad they have in their boats or that they wish they

had,

or

could do without.

I'm talking about things like window blinds, porcelain vs stainless

steel

sinks, fabrics, washer/dryer units, fitted bed sheets, etc .... those

things

that make living aboard easier or more enjoyable.

Hi Michael - I'll trade you a Vacuflush system and a first-round draft pick for the washer/dryer. Of course the Krogen 42 would have to come along since space is THE issue. Mick Salty Dog - Krogen Manatee ----- Original Message ----- From: Michael Elliott <dmelliot@concentric.net> To: <DMgeorge@aol.com>; <trawler-world-list@samurai.com> Cc: <CallRonnie@aol.com> Sent: Thursday, December 09, 1999 1:24 PM Subject: TWL: Re: Amenities > I really love the washer and dryer, wish I had Vacuflush heads but if not I > think electric heads are a minimum, couldn't live without the microwave and > the large refer and freezer with ice maker. I would also consider a trash > compactor on my next boat and I would not consider a living aboard without > window blinds or curtains in the salon and staterooms if needed for privacy. > Good lamps for reading and comfortable seating for lounging are also tops on > my list for living aboard as well as a spot for doing office work. > > Michael Elliott > Salty dog > Krogen 42 > > snip> > > Now I would appreciate any comments by list members on the types of > amenities > > they are really glad they have in their boats or that they wish they had, > or > > could do without. > > > > I'm talking about things like window blinds, porcelain vs stainless steel > > sinks, fabrics, washer/dryer units, fitted bed sheets, etc .... those > things > > that make living aboard easier or more enjoyable. > > > > >
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russ@trawlerdogs.com
Fri, Dec 10, 1999 2:09 AM

Regarding amenities:
One of the things I'm dealing with is my 600+ classical CD collection.
The solution I've  planned is to pack it all on one or two large hard
disks using MP3 technology, and play the music from the computer. I'm in
the process of testing this now, and it seems to work, though not
perfectly. 600 full-length CDs would take about 36Gb, the current max
size being sold. I will also have a DVD player on the computer, and I
plan to watch what tv I can stand on the computer screen also. I think I
can get by with one 15 or 17" flat panel screen for both computer and
tv/movies. Has anyone done this? What are the drawbacks?

Now, how do I get the several hundred cubic feet of books aboard?

Russ
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Regarding amenities: One of the things I'm dealing with is my 600+ classical CD collection. The solution I've planned is to pack it all on one or two large hard disks using MP3 technology, and play the music from the computer. I'm in the process of testing this now, and it seems to work, though not perfectly. 600 full-length CDs would take about 36Gb, the current max size being sold. I will also have a DVD player on the computer, and I plan to watch what tv I can stand on the computer screen also. I think I can get by with one 15 or 17" flat panel screen for both computer and tv/movies. Has anyone done this? What are the drawbacks? Now, how do I get the several hundred cubic feet of books aboard? Russ |----------------------------------------------------------------------| | Russ and Donna Sherwin | | "Four Seasons" | | 1981 Marine Trader DC44 | | Sunnyvale, Ca 94087 | |----------------------------------------------------------------------|
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capdan@erols.com
Fri, Dec 10, 1999 4:39 PM

Hi, Don;

Our very first improvement to ADAGIO was a better mattress.
The old thin layer of foam passing for a mattress had to
go, fast. Since I'm not fifty anymore...<g>, we decided to invest
in a Select Comfort, made popular in radio shows such as
Paul Harvey's and Rush You Know Who. (OK, so I listen to the guy. There)
Actually, a spring mattress was out of the question. In a 36' Monk, you can
not
fit a double, no matter what, through the aft cabin door opening.
The Select Comfort was the answer. Each of the two users
pumps up his/her half, and the thing stays inflated forever.
Very good construction, too.
Trouble is, they are made to fit only landlubbers' beds, such as twin,
doubles,
queen, etc. No "V" berths, and the dimensions may
not be exactly those of your base.
But if you are lucky, this is absolutly the way to go.
Definitely NOT associated with Select Comfort in any way, form
or shape. Just love the product.

Dan Lobera

Hi, Don; Our very first improvement to ADAGIO was a better mattress. The old thin layer of foam passing for a mattress had to go, fast. Since I'm not fifty anymore...<g>, we decided to invest in a Select Comfort, made popular in radio shows such as Paul Harvey's and Rush You Know Who. (OK, so I listen to the guy. There) Actually, a spring mattress was out of the question. In a 36' Monk, you can not fit a double, no matter what, through the aft cabin door opening. The Select Comfort was the answer. Each of the two users pumps up his/her half, and the thing stays inflated forever. Very good construction, too. Trouble is, they are made to fit only landlubbers' beds, such as twin, doubles, queen, etc. No "V" berths, and the dimensions may not be exactly those of your base. But if you are lucky, this is absolutly the way to go. Definitely NOT associated with Select Comfort in any way, form or shape. Just love the product. Dan Lobera
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hal@halwyman.com
Fri, Dec 10, 1999 6:26 PM

Now, how do I get the several hundred cubic feet of books aboard?

I've got the Oxford English Dictionary, the Encyclopedia Britannica, Street
Atlas USA, and a couple of world atlases on 6 CDROMs.  That's about 100
books in paper.  In addition, most public domain books (anything older than
about 50 years) can be found on the internet and downloaded for free.

Hal

> > Now, how do I get the several hundred cubic feet of books aboard? > I've got the Oxford English Dictionary, the Encyclopedia Britannica, Street Atlas USA, and a couple of world atlases on 6 CDROMs. That's about 100 books in paper. In addition, most public domain books (anything older than about 50 years) can be found on the internet and downloaded for free. Hal