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Henry Quigley

Mon, Dec 14, 2009 12:14 AM

Wire rope?

Really,

WIRE ROPE??

Henry

Wire rope? Really, WIRE ROPE?? Henry

JT

John Tones

Mon, Dec 14, 2009 12:24 AM

Henry Quigley wrote:

Wire rope?

Really,

WIRE ROPE??

REPLY

Well I don't know what you would call it but if you doubt that "wire rope" exists just Google the term and spend the evening reading what comes up.

John Tones "Penta"
Sidney, BC

Henry Quigley wrote: > Wire rope? > > Really, > > WIRE ROPE?? > REPLY > Well I don't know what you would call it but if you doubt that "wire rope" exists just Google the term and spend the evening reading what comes up. > John Tones "Penta" Sidney, BC

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Henry Quigley

Mon, Dec 14, 2009 12:58 AM

Well I don't know what you would call it but if you doubt that "wire

rope" exists just Google the term and spend the evening reading what comes up.

John Tones "Penta"
Sidney, BC

RESPONSE:

I KNOW what wire rope IS;
I just can't imagine using it as an anchor rode.

But I guess in this world
some people would believe just about anything.

HQ

> Well I don't know what you would call it but if you doubt that "wire rope" exists just Google the term and spend the evening reading what comes up. > John Tones "Penta" Sidney, BC RESPONSE: I KNOW what wire rope IS; I just can't imagine using it as an anchor rode. But I guess in this world some people would believe just about anything. HQ

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Scott H.E. Welch

Mon, Dec 14, 2009 1:09 AM

Henry Quigley hqnp43@yahoo.com writes:

I KNOW what wire rope IS;
I just can't imagine using it as an anchor rode.

But I guess in this world
some people would believe just about anything.

Every fishboat in the Paific Northwest, and I mean EVERY one I have ever
seen, uses wire rope as an anchor rode, usually with 50 or 100 feet of chain
as a leader.

Scott Welch
Chief Evangelist, Open Text Social Media Group
www.opentext.com
905 762 6101

"Things turn out best for people who make the best of the way things turn
out." - John Wooden

Henry Quigley <hqnp43@yahoo.com> writes: >I KNOW what wire rope IS; >I just can't imagine using it as an anchor rode. > >But I guess in this world >some people would believe just about anything. Every fishboat in the Paific Northwest, and I mean EVERY one I have ever seen, uses wire rope as an anchor rode, usually with 50 or 100 feet of chain as a leader. Scott Welch Chief Evangelist, Open Text Social Media Group www.opentext.com 905 762 6101 "Things turn out best for people who make the best of the way things turn out." - John Wooden

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John Tones

Mon, Dec 14, 2009 1:27 AM

Henry et-al - around here, especially on commercial fish / tug boats,
wire rope is used a lot as an anchor rode. In fact when I first bought
Penta she had 500 feet of wire rope as an anchor rode (on an "on - deck"
windlass) and the previous owners reaction to my questioning why so much
was that if anything went wrong such that he was left drifting then he
would just drop the anchor with most of the rode and he was sure to hook
bottom long before he got to the rocks. I used it for the first few
years but found it was too noisy rubbing across the rollers when there
was a bit of wave action when anchored. You can be sure that if it was
kept up and rust free you could not beat 5/8 wire rope for your rode,
provided you had a means of storing it.

Henry - Sorry about the way my first reply came out as it was my
understanding that you were questioning the term rather than its use for
rode.

John Tones "Penta"
Sidney, BC

Henry et-al - around here, especially on commercial fish / tug boats, wire rope is used a lot as an anchor rode. In fact when I first bought Penta she had 500 feet of wire rope as an anchor rode (on an "on - deck" windlass) and the previous owners reaction to my questioning why so much was that if anything went wrong such that he was left drifting then he would just drop the anchor with most of the rode and he was sure to hook bottom long before he got to the rocks. I used it for the first few years but found it was too noisy rubbing across the rollers when there was a bit of wave action when anchored. You can be sure that if it was kept up and rust free you could not beat 5/8 wire rope for your rode, provided you had a means of storing it. Henry - Sorry about the way my first reply came out as it was my understanding that you were questioning the term rather than its use for rode. John Tones "Penta" Sidney, BC

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Kim Boyce & Eric Thoman

Mon, Dec 14, 2009 1:34 AM

Yes, wire rope works very well on a drum/winch style windlass. Our ground
tackle consists of a Forfjord anchor with 12 feet of one inch chain that
spans the distance from the bow roller to the drum, 100 feet of 5/8 chain
and 600 feet of 1/2 inch stainless wire rope. All chain would take a very
large drum. This arrangement is very common in the PNW on commercial boats
from limit seiners (58 feet) on up. FWIW, I keep the wire rope lubricated
with that nasty black wire rope spray and the wire winds pretty easily as it
seems to have something of a memory when it spools back on the drum. It is
very easy to know how much scope you have out because you can count wraps
around the drum.

To the guys who were thinking about getting rid of their chain in lieu of
all rope, before you do that take 1oo feet of chain and try to drag it along
a beach. I think that about half the time you are not even pulling on your
anchor.

Happy Anchoring...

Eric Thoman
Abyssinia

Yes, wire rope works very well on a drum/winch style windlass. Our ground tackle consists of a Forfjord anchor with 12 feet of one inch chain that spans the distance from the bow roller to the drum, 100 feet of 5/8 chain and 600 feet of 1/2 inch stainless wire rope. All chain would take a very large drum. This arrangement is very common in the PNW on commercial boats from limit seiners (58 feet) on up. FWIW, I keep the wire rope lubricated with that nasty black wire rope spray and the wire winds pretty easily as it seems to have something of a memory when it spools back on the drum. It is very easy to know how much scope you have out because you can count wraps around the drum. To the guys who were thinking about getting rid of their chain in lieu of all rope, before you do that take 1oo feet of chain and try to drag it along a beach. I think that about half the time you are not even pulling on your anchor. Happy Anchoring... Eric Thoman Abyssinia

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Henry Quigley

Mon, Dec 14, 2009 1:41 AM

Original:

Every fishboat in the Paific Northwest, and I mean EVERY one I have ever seen, uses wire rope as an anchor rode, usually with 50 or 100 feet of chain as a leader.

Response:

When did this become a forum for comercial fishing captains; I thought we were talking about anchor rodes for recreational boats.

HQ

Original: Every fishboat in the Paific Northwest, and I mean EVERY one I have ever seen, uses wire rope as an anchor rode, usually with 50 or 100 feet of chain as a leader. Response: When did this become a forum for comercial fishing captains; I thought we were talking about anchor rodes for recreational boats. HQ

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R C Smith Jr

Mon, Dec 14, 2009 1:42 AM

The Hatteras Long Range Cruisers had the option of wire rode on a spool just
aft of the bow sprit. You can see it in this link from the original
brochure:

http://www.hatterasowners.com/Brochures/58LRC/58LRC/58LRB-0478.htm

Bob

Robert Calhoun Smith, Jr.
MV MARY KATHRYN
1977 Hatteras 58 LRC
Lying Sunset Bay Marina
Stuart, Florida

The Hatteras Long Range Cruisers had the option of wire rode on a spool just aft of the bow sprit. You can see it in this link from the original brochure: http://www.hatterasowners.com/Brochures/58LRC/58LRC/58LRB-0478.htm Bob _________________________ Robert Calhoun Smith, Jr. MV MARY KATHRYN 1977 Hatteras 58 LRC Lying Sunset Bay Marina Stuart, Florida

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John Tones

Mon, Dec 14, 2009 1:57 AM

Henry Quigley wrote:

Original:

Every fishboat in the Paific Northwest, and I mean EVERY one I have
ever seen, uses wire rope as an anchor rode, usually with 50 or 100
feet of chain as a leader.

Response:

When did this become a forum for comercial fishing captains; I thought
we were talking about anchor rodes for recreational boats.

HQ

REPLY
Forgive my ignorance in my thinking that just maybe I was able to
explain something for the list members.
In the future I will keep my mouth shut and stop giving my comments as
obviously they are not well received !!
I now understand that this list is like Passage Maker Magazine in that
us with inexpensive and small vessels do not fit on this list.

John Tones "Penta" (just a 36ft ex fishboat but damned proud of her)
Sidney, BC

Henry Quigley wrote: > > Original: > > Every fishboat in the Paific Northwest, and I mean EVERY one I have > ever seen, uses wire rope as an anchor rode, usually with 50 or 100 > feet of chain as a leader. > > Response: > > When did this become a forum for comercial fishing captains; I thought > we were talking about anchor rodes for recreational boats. > > HQ > REPLY Forgive my ignorance in my thinking that just maybe I was able to explain something for the list members. In the future I will keep my mouth shut and stop giving my comments as obviously they are not well received !! I now understand that this list is like Passage Maker Magazine in that us with inexpensive and small vessels do not fit on this list. John Tones "Penta" (just a 36ft ex fishboat but damned proud of her) Sidney, BC

GH

Gregory Han

Mon, Dec 14, 2009 2:06 AM

Wire Rope

I remember reading an anchoring guide (Capt Wil??) and it described the
configuration where the first 10' or so of a rode shoudl be wire rope. It
referred to the situation where the chain did not sink into the sediment and
made setting the anchor difficult. The logic was that the wire rope
servered the need for chafe resistance and cut through the sediment more
easily

I have not hear this addressed on this thread nor indeed anywhere else
before.

Greg and Susan Han
Key Biscayne, FL
Allegria -- Krogen Whaleback #16
MTOA # 3702

On Sun, Dec 13, 2009 at 7:14 PM, Henry Quigley hqnp43@yahoo.com wrote:

Wire rope?

Really,

WIRE ROPE??

Wire Rope I remember reading an anchoring guide (Capt Wil??) and it described the configuration where the first 10' or so of a rode shoudl be wire rope. It referred to the situation where the chain did not sink into the sediment and made setting the anchor difficult. The logic was that the wire rope servered the need for chafe resistance and cut through the sediment more easily I have not hear this addressed on this thread nor indeed anywhere else before. Greg and Susan Han Key Biscayne, FL Allegria -- Krogen Whaleback #16 MTOA # 3702 On Sun, Dec 13, 2009 at 7:14 PM, Henry Quigley <hqnp43@yahoo.com> wrote: > Wire rope? > > Really, > > WIRE ROPE??

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