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Neville Michie

Sat, Jan 30, 2010 10:17 PM

Wait until they find out there is arsenic in LEDs!

cheers, Neville Michie

On 31/01/2010, at 7:50 AM, NeonJohn wrote:

Chuck Harris wrote:

I have several rooms that are lit exclusively with CFL's, and I find
that for best life, I have to leave them on all the time. That is
what
EPA has found too! CFL's may take less power for a given
illumination,
but the owners leave them on far longer than incandescent, and the
net
result is greater power consumption overall.

Here's an interesting bit of opposite experience. When I had a
restaurant, I had a walk-in freezer. I wanted to know when the
compressor was running so I wired a light socket across the compressor
contactor coil terminals and located it where I could see it from the
dining room where I sat when not busy.

I tried all sorts of light in that thing. Long life, rough duty, pilot
light, none of them could stand the 2-3 times an hour cycling. Then I
installed a little 7 watt organ pipe CFL. It lasted over 5 years and
was still going strong when I closed the restaurant.

Add that to the mandatory drop of mercury in each, and I really can't
see how they can sell them at all.

Now Chuck, don't go getting all chemophobic on us now!

I got two for "free" from my power company (They hid the charge on my
bill, until the courts made them reverse it...) and included with the
CFL's was an elaborate procedure for cleaning up a broken CFL. It
involved
opening all of the windows, and leaving the room for a couple of
hours,
and then, with a gloved hand putting the pieces on newspaper, and
folding
the newspaper up and putting it in a 1 gallon zip lock baggie. To
clean up
the broken bits, you are supposed to vacuum the area with a fresh
vacuum
cleaner bag, and then put the vacuum cleaner bag in a ziplock
baggie, and
take the remains off to the hazardous waste disposal facility.

That's embarrassing to read, it's so stupid. Like some meaningless
worship ceremony to mother Gaia or something.

Geez, there's less than 10 milligrams of merc in a "100 watt" CFL.
That
is a harmless amount, especially considering that elemental mercury is
fairly harmless.

What'll they come up with next, HAZMAT team if you spill some paint
thinner?

John

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Wait until they find out there is arsenic in LEDs! cheers, Neville Michie On 31/01/2010, at 7:50 AM, NeonJohn wrote: > > > Chuck Harris wrote: > >> I have several rooms that are lit exclusively with CFL's, and I find >> that for best life, I have to leave them on all the time. That is >> what >> EPA has found too! CFL's may take less power for a given >> illumination, >> but the owners leave them on far longer than incandescent, and the >> net >> result is greater power consumption overall. > > Here's an interesting bit of opposite experience. When I had a > restaurant, I had a walk-in freezer. I wanted to know when the > compressor was running so I wired a light socket across the compressor > contactor coil terminals and located it where I could see it from the > dining room where I sat when not busy. > > I tried all sorts of light in that thing. Long life, rough duty, pilot > light, none of them could stand the 2-3 times an hour cycling. Then I > installed a little 7 watt organ pipe CFL. It lasted over 5 years and > was still going strong when I closed the restaurant. > >> >> Add that to the mandatory drop of mercury in each, and I really can't >> see how they can sell them at all. > > Now Chuck, don't go getting all chemophobic on us now! > >> >> I got two for "free" from my power company (They hid the charge on my >> bill, until the courts made them reverse it...) and included with the >> CFL's was an elaborate procedure for cleaning up a broken CFL. It >> involved >> opening all of the windows, and leaving the room for a couple of >> hours, >> and then, with a gloved hand putting the pieces on newspaper, and >> folding >> the newspaper up and putting it in a 1 gallon zip lock baggie. To >> clean up >> the broken bits, you are supposed to vacuum the area with a fresh >> vacuum >> cleaner bag, and then put the vacuum cleaner bag in a ziplock >> baggie, and >> take the remains off to the hazardous waste disposal facility. > > That's embarrassing to read, it's so stupid. Like some meaningless > worship ceremony to mother Gaia or something. > > Geez, there's less than 10 milligrams of merc in a "100 watt" CFL. > That > is a harmless amount, especially considering that elemental mercury is > fairly harmless. > > What'll they come up with next, HAZMAT team if you spill some paint > thinner? > > John > > > -- > John DeArmond > Tellico Plains, Occupied TN > http://www.neon-john.com <-- email from here > http://www.johndearmond.com <-- Best damned Blog on the net > PGP key: wwwkeys.pgp.net: BCB68D77 > > _______________________________________________ > time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com > To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/ > time-nuts > and follow the instructions there.

CH

Chuck Harris

Sat, Jan 30, 2010 10:22 PM

NeonJohn wrote:

Chuck Harris wrote:

I have several rooms that are lit exclusively with CFL's, and I find
that for best life, I have to leave them on all the time. That is what
EPA has found too! CFL's may take less power for a given illumination,
but the owners leave them on far longer than incandescent, and the net
result is greater power consumption overall.

Here's an interesting bit of opposite experience. When I had a
restaurant, I had a walk-in freezer. I wanted to know when the
compressor was running so I wired a light socket across the compressor
contactor coil terminals and located it where I could see it from the
dining room where I sat when not busy.

Having looked at the circuitry, I can't see any real reason why cycling
would be hard on the usual CFL. The filaments glow red the entire time
they are on anyway, and the inverter is a simple FET multivibrator.

I think the reason people leave them on longer than the equivalent
incandescent is CFL's take a while to ramp up to full brilliance, and
they reason that at 1/4 the power draw, they are essentially free to
run.

In any case, I know I leave them on longer than I would if they were
instant on... for real, and EPA has noticed that others do the same.

I tried all sorts of light in that thing. Long life, rough duty, pilot
light, none of them could stand the 2-3 times an hour cycling. Then I
installed a little 7 watt organ pipe CFL. It lasted over 5 years and
was still going strong when I closed the restaurant.

Add that to the mandatory drop of mercury in each, and I really can't
see how they can sell them at all.

Now Chuck, don't go getting all chemophobic on us now!

Me? With my chemistry and nuke background? Not likely!

I am just making a statement based on my observations of the eco-hysteria
the powers that be seem to exhibit.

I got two for "free" from my power company (They hid the charge on my
bill, until the courts made them reverse it...) and included with the
CFL's was an elaborate procedure for cleaning up a broken CFL. It involved
opening all of the windows, and leaving the room for a couple of hours,
and then, with a gloved hand putting the pieces on newspaper, and folding
the newspaper up and putting it in a 1 gallon zip lock baggie. To clean up
the broken bits, you are supposed to vacuum the area with a fresh vacuum
cleaner bag, and then put the vacuum cleaner bag in a ziplock baggie, and
take the remains off to the hazardous waste disposal facility.

That's embarrassing to read, it's so stupid. Like some meaningless
worship ceremony to mother Gaia or something.

That's why I am sharing.

Geez, there's less than 10 milligrams of merc in a "100 watt" CFL. That
is a harmless amount, especially considering that elemental mercury is
fairly harmless.

Yes, and no. When mercury hits the ground, it splatters into hundreds of
miniballs of mercury. When you walk on them, they further fracture, and
by the time you are done, you have increased the surface area of the mini
drop of mercury greatly... probably thousands of times. That increases
the mercury vapor emitted into the room.

Is it harmful? Maybe. Maybe not.

What'll they come up with next, HAZMAT team if you spill some paint thinner?

As the laws are currently written, if you intentionally pour any amount of
gasoline, or paint thinner onto the ground you are committing a crime.

-Chuck Harris

NeonJohn wrote: > > Chuck Harris wrote: > >> I have several rooms that are lit exclusively with CFL's, and I find >> that for best life, I have to leave them on all the time. That is what >> EPA has found too! CFL's may take less power for a given illumination, >> but the owners leave them on far longer than incandescent, and the net >> result is greater power consumption overall. > > Here's an interesting bit of opposite experience. When I had a > restaurant, I had a walk-in freezer. I wanted to know when the > compressor was running so I wired a light socket across the compressor > contactor coil terminals and located it where I could see it from the > dining room where I sat when not busy. Having looked at the circuitry, I can't see any real reason why cycling would be hard on the usual CFL. The filaments glow red the entire time they are on anyway, and the inverter is a simple FET multivibrator. I think the reason people leave them on longer than the equivalent incandescent is CFL's take a while to ramp up to full brilliance, and they reason that at 1/4 the power draw, they are essentially free to run. In any case, I know I leave them on longer than I would if they were instant on... for real, and EPA has noticed that others do the same. > I tried all sorts of light in that thing. Long life, rough duty, pilot > light, none of them could stand the 2-3 times an hour cycling. Then I > installed a little 7 watt organ pipe CFL. It lasted over 5 years and > was still going strong when I closed the restaurant. > >> Add that to the mandatory drop of mercury in each, and I really can't >> see how they can sell them at all. > > Now Chuck, don't go getting all chemophobic on us now! Me? With my chemistry and nuke background? Not likely! I am just making a statement based on my observations of the eco-hysteria the powers that be seem to exhibit. >> I got two for "free" from my power company (They hid the charge on my >> bill, until the courts made them reverse it...) and included with the >> CFL's was an elaborate procedure for cleaning up a broken CFL. It involved >> opening all of the windows, and leaving the room for a couple of hours, >> and then, with a gloved hand putting the pieces on newspaper, and folding >> the newspaper up and putting it in a 1 gallon zip lock baggie. To clean up >> the broken bits, you are supposed to vacuum the area with a fresh vacuum >> cleaner bag, and then put the vacuum cleaner bag in a ziplock baggie, and >> take the remains off to the hazardous waste disposal facility. > > That's embarrassing to read, it's so stupid. Like some meaningless > worship ceremony to mother Gaia or something. That's why I am sharing. > Geez, there's less than 10 milligrams of merc in a "100 watt" CFL. That > is a harmless amount, especially considering that elemental mercury is > fairly harmless. Yes, and no. When mercury hits the ground, it splatters into hundreds of miniballs of mercury. When you walk on them, they further fracture, and by the time you are done, you have increased the surface area of the mini drop of mercury greatly... probably thousands of times. That increases the mercury vapor emitted into the room. Is it harmful? Maybe. Maybe not. > What'll they come up with next, HAZMAT team if you spill some paint thinner? As the laws are currently written, if you intentionally pour any amount of gasoline, or paint thinner onto the ground you are committing a crime. -Chuck Harris

CH

Chuck Harris

Sat, Jan 30, 2010 10:24 PM

Bruce Griffiths wrote:

If the intention is to cleanup the mercury rather than just the glass
and relatively non toxic phosphor then the cleanup procedure is contrary
to the method outlined in:
http://www.p2pays.org/ref/15/14605.htm

If one is paranoid about mercury spills sprinkling the debris with
flowers of sulphur is a good idea especially if one intends to
repeatedly break CFLs in the same location.

Bruce

I think they might have gotten a little push back from the sheeple
if they suggested sprinkling any kind of chemical on Mom's carpet.

-Chuck Harris

Bruce Griffiths wrote: >> > If the intention is to cleanup the mercury rather than just the glass > and relatively non toxic phosphor then the cleanup procedure is contrary > to the method outlined in: > http://www.p2pays.org/ref/15/14605.htm > > If one is paranoid about mercury spills sprinkling the debris with > flowers of sulphur is a good idea especially if one intends to > repeatedly break CFLs in the same location. > > Bruce I think they might have gotten a little push back from the sheeple if they suggested sprinkling any kind of chemical on Mom's carpet. -Chuck Harris

DJ

Didier Juges

Sat, Jan 30, 2010 10:46 PM

According to the paper that was linked earlier, there are 3 types of
fluorescent bulbs, some have no heater at all and are started with a high
voltage pulse that causes accelerated damage.
Those suffer from the most life reduction when cycled.

Those with the always on heater suffer the least, but are the least
efficient.

Didier

-----Original Message-----
From: time-nuts-bounces@febo.com
[mailto:time-nuts-bounces@febo.com] On Behalf Of Chuck Harris
Sent: Saturday, January 30, 2010 4:23 PM
To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement
Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Conducting Bench Top Material

NeonJohn wrote:

Chuck Harris wrote:

I have several rooms that are lit exclusively with CFL's,

and I find

that for best life, I have to leave them on all the time. That is
what EPA has found too! CFL's may take less power for a given
illumination, but the owners leave them on far longer than
incandescent, and the net result is greater power

consumption overall.

Here's an interesting bit of opposite experience. When I had a
restaurant, I had a walk-in freezer. I wanted to know when the
compressor was running so I wired a light socket across the

compressor

contactor coil terminals and located it where I could see

it from the

dining room where I sat when not busy.

Having looked at the circuitry, I can't see any real reason
why cycling would be hard on the usual CFL. The filaments
glow red the entire time they are on anyway, and the inverter
is a simple FET multivibrator.

I think the reason people leave them on longer than the
equivalent incandescent is CFL's take a while to ramp up to
full brilliance, and they reason that at 1/4 the power draw,
they are essentially free to run.

In any case, I know I leave them on longer than I would if
they were instant on... for real, and EPA has noticed that
others do the same.

I tried all sorts of light in that thing. Long life, rough

duty, pilot

light, none of them could stand the 2-3 times an hour

cycling. Then I

installed a little 7 watt organ pipe CFL. It lasted over 5

years and

was still going strong when I closed the restaurant.

Add that to the mandatory drop of mercury in each, and I

really can't

see how they can sell them at all.

Now Chuck, don't go getting all chemophobic on us now!

Me? With my chemistry and nuke background? Not likely!

I am just making a statement based on my observations of the
eco-hysteria the powers that be seem to exhibit.

I got two for "free" from my power company (They hid the

charge on my

bill, until the courts made them reverse it...) and

included with the

CFL's was an elaborate procedure for cleaning up a broken CFL. It
involved opening all of the windows, and leaving the room for a
couple of hours, and then, with a gloved hand putting the

pieces on

newspaper, and folding the newspaper up and putting it in

a 1 gallon

zip lock baggie. To clean up the broken bits, you are supposed to
vacuum the area with a fresh vacuum cleaner bag, and then put the
vacuum cleaner bag in a ziplock baggie, and take the

remains off to the hazardous waste disposal facility.

That's embarrassing to read, it's so stupid. Like some meaningless
worship ceremony to mother Gaia or something.

That's why I am sharing.

Geez, there's less than 10 milligrams of merc in a "100 watt" CFL.
That is a harmless amount, especially considering that elemental
mercury is fairly harmless.

Yes, and no. When mercury hits the ground, it splatters into
hundreds of miniballs of mercury. When you walk on them,
they further fracture, and by the time you are done, you have
increased the surface area of the mini drop of mercury
greatly... probably thousands of times. That increases the
mercury vapor emitted into the room.

Is it harmful? Maybe. Maybe not.

What'll they come up with next, HAZMAT team if you spill

some paint thinner?

As the laws are currently written, if you intentionally pour
any amount of gasoline, or paint thinner onto the ground you
are committing a crime.

-Chuck Harris

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According to the paper that was linked earlier, there are 3 types of fluorescent bulbs, some have no heater at all and are started with a high voltage pulse that causes accelerated damage. Those suffer from the most life reduction when cycled. Those with the always on heater suffer the least, but are the least efficient. Didier > -----Original Message----- > From: time-nuts-bounces@febo.com > [mailto:time-nuts-bounces@febo.com] On Behalf Of Chuck Harris > Sent: Saturday, January 30, 2010 4:23 PM > To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement > Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Conducting Bench Top Material > > NeonJohn wrote: > > > > Chuck Harris wrote: > > > >> I have several rooms that are lit exclusively with CFL's, > and I find > >> that for best life, I have to leave them on all the time. That is > >> what EPA has found too! CFL's may take less power for a given > >> illumination, but the owners leave them on far longer than > >> incandescent, and the net result is greater power > consumption overall. > > > > Here's an interesting bit of opposite experience. When I had a > > restaurant, I had a walk-in freezer. I wanted to know when the > > compressor was running so I wired a light socket across the > compressor > > contactor coil terminals and located it where I could see > it from the > > dining room where I sat when not busy. > > Having looked at the circuitry, I can't see any real reason > why cycling would be hard on the usual CFL. The filaments > glow red the entire time they are on anyway, and the inverter > is a simple FET multivibrator. > > I think the reason people leave them on longer than the > equivalent incandescent is CFL's take a while to ramp up to > full brilliance, and they reason that at 1/4 the power draw, > they are essentially free to run. > > In any case, I know I leave them on longer than I would if > they were instant on... for real, and EPA has noticed that > others do the same. > > > I tried all sorts of light in that thing. Long life, rough > duty, pilot > > light, none of them could stand the 2-3 times an hour > cycling. Then I > > installed a little 7 watt organ pipe CFL. It lasted over 5 > years and > > was still going strong when I closed the restaurant. > > > >> Add that to the mandatory drop of mercury in each, and I > really can't > >> see how they can sell them at all. > > > > Now Chuck, don't go getting all chemophobic on us now! > > Me? With my chemistry and nuke background? Not likely! > > I am just making a statement based on my observations of the > eco-hysteria the powers that be seem to exhibit. > > >> I got two for "free" from my power company (They hid the > charge on my > >> bill, until the courts made them reverse it...) and > included with the > >> CFL's was an elaborate procedure for cleaning up a broken CFL. It > >> involved opening all of the windows, and leaving the room for a > >> couple of hours, and then, with a gloved hand putting the > pieces on > >> newspaper, and folding the newspaper up and putting it in > a 1 gallon > >> zip lock baggie. To clean up the broken bits, you are supposed to > >> vacuum the area with a fresh vacuum cleaner bag, and then put the > >> vacuum cleaner bag in a ziplock baggie, and take the > remains off to the hazardous waste disposal facility. > > > > That's embarrassing to read, it's so stupid. Like some meaningless > > worship ceremony to mother Gaia or something. > > That's why I am sharing. > > > Geez, there's less than 10 milligrams of merc in a "100 watt" CFL. > > That is a harmless amount, especially considering that elemental > > mercury is fairly harmless. > > Yes, and no. When mercury hits the ground, it splatters into > hundreds of miniballs of mercury. When you walk on them, > they further fracture, and by the time you are done, you have > increased the surface area of the mini drop of mercury > greatly... probably thousands of times. That increases the > mercury vapor emitted into the room. > > Is it harmful? Maybe. Maybe not. > > > What'll they come up with next, HAZMAT team if you spill > some paint thinner? > > As the laws are currently written, if you intentionally pour > any amount of gasoline, or paint thinner onto the ground you > are committing a crime. > > -Chuck Harris > > _______________________________________________ > time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, > go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts > and follow the instructions there. >

JF

J. Forster

Sun, Jan 31, 2010 3:36 AM

It's NOT "flowers" it "flour" of sulphur... as in a fine ground powder...
think wheat flour as is used to bake bread.

-John

===============

If one is paranoid about mercury spills sprinkling the debris with
flowers of sulphur is a good idea especially if one intends to
repeatedly break CFLs in the same location.

Bruce

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It's NOT "flowers" it "flour" of sulphur... as in a fine ground powder... think wheat flour as is used to bake bread. -John =============== > > If one is paranoid about mercury spills sprinkling the debris with > flowers of sulphur is a good idea especially if one intends to > repeatedly break CFLs in the same location. > > Bruce > > > > _______________________________________________ > time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com > To unsubscribe, go to > https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts > and follow the instructions there. > >

JF

J. Forster

Sun, Jan 31, 2010 3:39 AM

Frankly, I think today if you breathe, pee, poo, or do ANYTHING at all you
are likely breaking some law, silly or otherwise.

FWIW,
-John

===========

[snip]

As the laws are currently written, if you intentionally pour any amount

of gasoline, or paint thinner onto the ground you are committing a
crime.

-Chuck Harris

Frankly, I think today if you breathe, pee, poo, or do ANYTHING at all you are likely breaking some law, silly or otherwise. FWIW, -John =========== [snip] > As the laws are currently written, if you intentionally pour any amount of gasoline, or paint thinner onto the ground you are committing a crime. > > -Chuck Harris

BG

Bruce Griffiths

Sun, Jan 31, 2010 3:53 AM

It is known (for whatever reason) as flowers of sulphur by gardeners
medical practitioners (althernative and conventional) and others outside
the US.
http://www.websters-online-dictionary.org/fl/flower+of+sulphur.html

http://mysite.du.edu/~jcalvert/phys/sulphur.htm
http://mysite.du.edu/%7Ejcalvert/phys/sulphur.htm

It is a powder produced by sublimation of sulphur.

Bruce

J. Forster wrote:

It's NOT "flowers" it "flour" of sulphur... as in a fine ground powder...
think wheat flour as is used to bake bread.

-John

===============

If one is paranoid about mercury spills sprinkling the debris with
flowers of sulphur is a good idea especially if one intends to
repeatedly break CFLs in the same location.

Bruce

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It is known (for whatever reason) as flowers of sulphur by gardeners medical practitioners (althernative and conventional) and others outside the US. http://www.websters-online-dictionary.org/fl/flower+of+sulphur.html http://mysite.du.edu/~jcalvert/phys/sulphur.htm <http://mysite.du.edu/%7Ejcalvert/phys/sulphur.htm> It is a powder produced by sublimation of sulphur. Bruce J. Forster wrote: > It's NOT "flowers" it "flour" of sulphur... as in a fine ground powder... > think wheat flour as is used to bake bread. > > -John > > =============== > > >> If one is paranoid about mercury spills sprinkling the debris with >> flowers of sulphur is a good idea especially if one intends to >> repeatedly break CFLs in the same location. >> >> Bruce >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com >> To unsubscribe, go to >> https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts >> and follow the instructions there. >> >> >> > > > _______________________________________________ > time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com > To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts > and follow the instructions there. > >

JF

J. Forster

Sun, Jan 31, 2010 4:04 AM

Among chemists, it's flour of sulpher. Flowers is an (incorrect & archeic)
popular name, like quicksilver.

-John

===========

It is known (for whatever reason) as flowers of sulphur by gardeners
medical practitioners (althernative and conventional) and others outside
the US.
http://www.websters-online-dictionary.org/fl/flower+of+sulphur.html

http://mysite.du.edu/~jcalvert/phys/sulphur.htm
http://mysite.du.edu/%7Ejcalvert/phys/sulphur.htm

It is a powder produced by sublimation of sulphur.

Bruce

J. Forster wrote:

It's NOT "flowers" it "flour" of sulphur... as in a fine ground
powder...
think wheat flour as is used to bake bread.

-John

===============

If one is paranoid about mercury spills sprinkling the debris with
flowers of sulphur is a good idea especially if one intends to
repeatedly break CFLs in the same location.

Bruce

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Among chemists, it's flour of sulpher. Flowers is an (incorrect & archeic) popular name, like quicksilver. -John =========== > It is known (for whatever reason) as flowers of sulphur by gardeners > medical practitioners (althernative and conventional) and others outside > the US. > http://www.websters-online-dictionary.org/fl/flower+of+sulphur.html > > http://mysite.du.edu/~jcalvert/phys/sulphur.htm > <http://mysite.du.edu/%7Ejcalvert/phys/sulphur.htm> > > It is a powder produced by sublimation of sulphur. > > Bruce > > J. Forster wrote: >> It's NOT "flowers" it "flour" of sulphur... as in a fine ground >> powder... >> think wheat flour as is used to bake bread. >> >> -John >> >> =============== >> >> >>> If one is paranoid about mercury spills sprinkling the debris with >>> flowers of sulphur is a good idea especially if one intends to >>> repeatedly break CFLs in the same location. >>> >>> Bruce >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com >>> To unsubscribe, go to >>> https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts >>> and follow the instructions there. >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com >> To unsubscribe, go to >> https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts >> and follow the instructions there. >> >> > > >

BH

Bill Hawkins

Sun, Jan 31, 2010 5:14 AM

When did this list become a discussion of Chemistry?

Is there a time list I can join?

Not that I've never been off topic, or never learned something
from an OT discussion, but this brings to mind dead horses and
the beating thereof. I'll bet there is a better list for this
subject, and that it's just full of shared ignorance.

Bill Hawkins

-----Original Message-----
From: J. Forster
Sent: Saturday, January 30, 2010 10:05 PM
To: Bruce Griffiths
Cc: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement
Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Conducting Bench Top Material

Among chemists, it's flour of sulpher. Flowers is an (incorrect & archeic)
popular name, like quicksilver.

-John

===========

It is known (for whatever reason) as flowers of sulphur by gardeners
medical practitioners (althernative and conventional) and others outside
the US.
http://www.websters-online-dictionary.org/fl/flower+of+sulphur.html

http://mysite.du.edu/~jcalvert/phys/sulphur.htm
http://mysite.du.edu/%7Ejcalvert/phys/sulphur.htm

It is a powder produced by sublimation of sulphur.

Bruce

J. Forster wrote:

It's NOT "flowers" it "flour" of sulphur... as in a fine ground
powder...
think wheat flour as is used to bake bread.

-John

===============

If one is paranoid about mercury spills sprinkling the debris with
flowers of sulphur is a good idea especially if one intends to
repeatedly break CFLs in the same location.

Bruce

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When did this list become a discussion of Chemistry? Is there a time list I can join? Not that I've never been off topic, or never learned something from an OT discussion, but this brings to mind dead horses and the beating thereof. I'll bet there is a better list for this subject, and that it's just full of shared ignorance. Bill Hawkins -----Original Message----- From: J. Forster Sent: Saturday, January 30, 2010 10:05 PM To: Bruce Griffiths Cc: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Conducting Bench Top Material Among chemists, it's flour of sulpher. Flowers is an (incorrect & archeic) popular name, like quicksilver. -John =========== > It is known (for whatever reason) as flowers of sulphur by gardeners > medical practitioners (althernative and conventional) and others outside > the US. > http://www.websters-online-dictionary.org/fl/flower+of+sulphur.html > > http://mysite.du.edu/~jcalvert/phys/sulphur.htm > <http://mysite.du.edu/%7Ejcalvert/phys/sulphur.htm> > > It is a powder produced by sublimation of sulphur. > > Bruce > > J. Forster wrote: >> It's NOT "flowers" it "flour" of sulphur... as in a fine ground >> powder... >> think wheat flour as is used to bake bread. >> >> -John >> >> =============== >> >> >>> If one is paranoid about mercury spills sprinkling the debris with >>> flowers of sulphur is a good idea especially if one intends to >>> repeatedly break CFLs in the same location. >>> >>> Bruce >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com >>> To unsubscribe, go to >>> https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts >>> and follow the instructions there. >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com >> To unsubscribe, go to >> https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts >> and follow the instructions there. >> >> > > > _______________________________________________ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.

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Don Latham

Sun, Jan 31, 2010 6:17 AM

The connection is alchemical,
Don

----- Original Message -----
From: "Bruce Griffiths" bruce.griffiths@xtra.co.nz
To: jfor@quik.com; "Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement"
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Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Conducting Bench Top Material

It is known (for whatever reason) as flowers of sulphur by gardeners
medical practitioners (althernative and conventional) and others outside
the US.
http://www.websters-online-dictionary.org/fl/flower+of+sulphur.html

http://mysite.du.edu/~jcalvert/phys/sulphur.htm
http://mysite.du.edu/%7Ejcalvert/phys/sulphur.htm

It is a powder produced by sublimation of sulphur.

Bruce

J. Forster wrote:

It's NOT "flowers" it "flour" of sulphur... as in a fine ground
powder...
think wheat flour as is used to bake bread.

-John

===============

If one is paranoid about mercury spills sprinkling the debris with
flowers of sulphur is a good idea especially if one intends to
repeatedly break CFLs in the same location.

Bruce

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The connection is alchemical, Don ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bruce Griffiths" <bruce.griffiths@xtra.co.nz> To: <jfor@quik.com>; "Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement" <time-nuts@febo.com> Sent: Saturday, January 30, 2010 8:53 PM Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Conducting Bench Top Material > It is known (for whatever reason) as flowers of sulphur by gardeners > medical practitioners (althernative and conventional) and others outside > the US. > http://www.websters-online-dictionary.org/fl/flower+of+sulphur.html > > http://mysite.du.edu/~jcalvert/phys/sulphur.htm > <http://mysite.du.edu/%7Ejcalvert/phys/sulphur.htm> > > It is a powder produced by sublimation of sulphur. > > Bruce > > J. Forster wrote: >> It's NOT "flowers" it "flour" of sulphur... as in a fine ground >> powder... >> think wheat flour as is used to bake bread. >> >> -John >> >> =============== >> >> >>> If one is paranoid about mercury spills sprinkling the debris with >>> flowers of sulphur is a good idea especially if one intends to >>> repeatedly break CFLs in the same location. >>> >>> Bruce >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com >>> To unsubscribe, go to >>> https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts >>> and follow the instructions there. >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com >> To unsubscribe, go to >> https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts >> and follow the instructions there. >> >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com > To unsubscribe, go to > https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts > and follow the instructions there.

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