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MS3106R10SL-4S connector question

BS
Bob Stewart
Tue, Dec 10, 2013 12:13 AM

I got a GPS Source splitter recently and since my little Adafruit doesn't have enough power to run it I got an MS3016R connector to hook up external power.  What I can't figure out is what is that blue plastic pin for that comes in the package?

Bob - AE6RV

I got a GPS Source splitter recently and since my little Adafruit doesn't have enough power to run it I got an MS3016R connector to hook up external power.  What I can't figure out is what is that blue plastic pin for that comes in the package? Bob - AE6RV
JF
J. Forster
Tue, Dec 10, 2013 2:33 AM

If the contacts are loose and individually extractable/insertable, the pin
is probably a dummy pin to substitute for the more expensive brass/gold
pins. This is so the rubber does not distorted over time.

-John

I got a GPS Source splitter recently and since my little Adafruit doesn't
have enough power to run it I got an MS3016R connector to hook up external
power.  What I can't figure out is what is that blue plastic pin for that
comes in the package?

Bob - AE6RV


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If the contacts are loose and individually extractable/insertable, the pin is probably a dummy pin to substitute for the more expensive brass/gold pins. This is so the rubber does not distorted over time. -John ============= > I got a GPS Source splitter recently and since my little Adafruit doesn't > have enough power to run it I got an MS3016R connector to hook up external > power.  What I can't figure out is what is that blue plastic pin for that > comes in the package? > > Bob - AE6RV > _______________________________________________ > time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com > To unsubscribe, go to > https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts > and follow the instructions there. > >
BS
Bob Stewart
Tue, Dec 10, 2013 2:52 AM

Take a look at ebay auction 261315795465.  It's a mil-spec connector and I don't see any way for the connector pins to come out.  It looks like it's probably pressure tight.  You can see the blue plastic pin in the third picture.  It's almost like it has something to do with the rubber strain relief/enviro shield, but I dunno what.

Bob


From: J. Forster jfor@quikus.com
To: Bob Stewart bob@evoria.net; Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement time-nuts@febo.com
Sent: Monday, December 9, 2013 8:33 PM
Subject: Re: [time-nuts] MS3106R10SL-4S connector question

If the contacts are loose and individually extractable/insertable, the pin
is probably a dummy pin to substitute for the more expensive brass/gold
pins. This is so the rubber does not distorted over time.

-John

Take a look at ebay auction 261315795465.  It's a mil-spec connector and I don't see any way for the connector pins to come out.  It looks like it's probably pressure tight.  You can see the blue plastic pin in the third picture.  It's almost like it has something to do with the rubber strain relief/enviro shield, but I dunno what. Bob >________________________________ > From: J. Forster <jfor@quikus.com> >To: Bob Stewart <bob@evoria.net>; Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement <time-nuts@febo.com> >Sent: Monday, December 9, 2013 8:33 PM >Subject: Re: [time-nuts] MS3106R10SL-4S connector question > > >If the contacts are loose and individually extractable/insertable, the pin >is probably a dummy pin to substitute for the more expensive brass/gold >pins. This is so the rubber does not distorted over time. > >-John > >
JF
J. Forster
Tue, Dec 10, 2013 2:58 AM

It's what I said. A blanking pin for the hole in the rubber seal, except
that it's only for the seal, not the whole connector.

-John

================

Take a look at ebay auction 261315795465.  It's a mil-spec connector and I
don't see any way for the connector pins to come out.  It looks like it's
probably pressure tight.  You can see the blue plastic pin in the third
picture.  It's almost like it has something to do with the rubber strain
relief/enviro shield, but I dunno what.

Bob


From: J. Forster jfor@quikus.com
To: Bob Stewart bob@evoria.net; Discussion of precise time and
frequency measurement time-nuts@febo.com
Sent: Monday, December 9, 2013 8:33 PM
Subject: Re: [time-nuts] MS3106R10SL-4S connector question

If the contacts are loose and individually extractable/insertable, the
pin
is probably a dummy pin to substitute for the more expensive brass/gold
pins. This is so the rubber does not distorted over time.

-John


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It's what I said. A blanking pin for the hole in the rubber seal, except that it's only for the seal, not the whole connector. -John ================ > Take a look at ebay auction 261315795465.  It's a mil-spec connector and I > don't see any way for the connector pins to come out.  It looks like it's > probably pressure tight.  You can see the blue plastic pin in the third > picture.  It's almost like it has something to do with the rubber strain > relief/enviro shield, but I dunno what. > > Bob > > > > >>________________________________ >> From: J. Forster <jfor@quikus.com> >>To: Bob Stewart <bob@evoria.net>; Discussion of precise time and >> frequency measurement <time-nuts@febo.com> >>Sent: Monday, December 9, 2013 8:33 PM >>Subject: Re: [time-nuts] MS3106R10SL-4S connector question >> >> >>If the contacts are loose and individually extractable/insertable, the >> pin >>is probably a dummy pin to substitute for the more expensive brass/gold >>pins. This is so the rubber does not distorted over time. >> >>-John >> >> > _______________________________________________ > time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com > To unsubscribe, go to > https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts > and follow the instructions there. > >
BS
Bob Stewart
Tue, Dec 10, 2013 3:31 AM

OK,  now it makes sense!

thanks!

Bob


From: J. Forster jfor@quikus.com
To: Bob Stewart bob@evoria.net; Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement time-nuts@febo.com
Sent: Monday, December 9, 2013 8:58 PM
Subject: Re: [time-nuts] MS3106R10SL-4S connector question

It's what I said. A blanking pin for the hole in the rubber seal, except
that it's only for the seal, not the whole connector.

-John

OK,  now it makes sense! thanks! Bob >________________________________ > From: J. Forster <jfor@quikus.com> >To: Bob Stewart <bob@evoria.net>; Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement <time-nuts@febo.com> >Sent: Monday, December 9, 2013 8:58 PM >Subject: Re: [time-nuts] MS3106R10SL-4S connector question > > >It's what I said. A blanking pin for the hole in the rubber seal, except >that it's only for the seal, not the whole connector. > >-John > >
DL
Don Lewis
Tue, Dec 10, 2013 10:48 AM

Wouldn't this be a pin-extractor?

-Don

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Behalf Of Bob Stewart
Sent: Monday, December 09, 2013 8:53 PM
To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement
Subject: Re: [time-nuts] MS3106R10SL-4S connector question

Take a look at eBay auction 261315795465.  It's a mil-spec connector and I
don't see any way for the connector pins to come out.  It looks like it's
probably pressure tight.  You can see the blue plastic pin in the third
picture.  It's almost like it has something to do with the rubber strain
relief/enviro shield, but I dunno what.

Bob


From: J. Forster jfor@quikus.com
To: Bob Stewart bob@evoria.net; Discussion of precise time and frequency

measurement time-nuts@febo.com

Sent: Monday, December 9, 2013 8:33 PM
Subject: Re: [time-nuts] MS3106R10SL-4S connector question

If the contacts are loose and individually extractable/insertable, the pin
is probably a dummy pin to substitute for the more expensive brass/gold
pins. This is so the rubber does not distorted over time.

-John


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Wouldn't this be a pin-extractor? -Don -----Original Message----- From: time-nuts-bounces@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-bounces@febo.com] On Behalf Of Bob Stewart Sent: Monday, December 09, 2013 8:53 PM To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement Subject: Re: [time-nuts] MS3106R10SL-4S connector question Take a look at eBay auction 261315795465.  It's a mil-spec connector and I don't see any way for the connector pins to come out.  It looks like it's probably pressure tight.  You can see the blue plastic pin in the third picture.  It's almost like it has something to do with the rubber strain relief/enviro shield, but I dunno what. Bob >________________________________ > From: J. Forster <jfor@quikus.com> >To: Bob Stewart <bob@evoria.net>; Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement <time-nuts@febo.com> >Sent: Monday, December 9, 2013 8:33 PM >Subject: Re: [time-nuts] MS3106R10SL-4S connector question > > >If the contacts are loose and individually extractable/insertable, the pin >is probably a dummy pin to substitute for the more expensive brass/gold >pins. This is so the rubber does not distorted over time. > >-John > > _______________________________________________ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
JF
J. Forster
Tue, Dec 10, 2013 2:10 PM

No. Wrong shape.

-John

==============

Wouldn't this be a pin-extractor?

-Don

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Behalf Of Bob Stewart
Sent: Monday, December 09, 2013 8:53 PM
To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement
Subject: Re: [time-nuts] MS3106R10SL-4S connector question

Take a look at eBay auction 261315795465.  It's a mil-spec connector and I
don't see any way for the connector pins to come out.  It looks like it's
probably pressure tight.  You can see the blue plastic pin in the third
picture.  It's almost like it has something to do with the rubber strain
relief/enviro shield, but I dunno what.

Bob


From: J. Forster jfor@quikus.com
To: Bob Stewart bob@evoria.net; Discussion of precise time and
frequency

measurement time-nuts@febo.com

Sent: Monday, December 9, 2013 8:33 PM
Subject: Re: [time-nuts] MS3106R10SL-4S connector question

If the contacts are loose and individually extractable/insertable, the
pin
is probably a dummy pin to substitute for the more expensive brass/gold
pins. This is so the rubber does not distorted over time.

-John


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No. Wrong shape. -John ============== > Wouldn't this be a pin-extractor? > > -Don > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: time-nuts-bounces@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-bounces@febo.com] On > Behalf Of Bob Stewart > Sent: Monday, December 09, 2013 8:53 PM > To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement > Subject: Re: [time-nuts] MS3106R10SL-4S connector question > > Take a look at eBay auction 261315795465.  It's a mil-spec connector and I > don't see any way for the connector pins to come out.  It looks like it's > probably pressure tight.  You can see the blue plastic pin in the third > picture.  It's almost like it has something to do with the rubber strain > relief/enviro shield, but I dunno what. > > Bob > > > > >>________________________________ >> From: J. Forster <jfor@quikus.com> >>To: Bob Stewart <bob@evoria.net>; Discussion of precise time and >> frequency > measurement <time-nuts@febo.com> >>Sent: Monday, December 9, 2013 8:33 PM >>Subject: Re: [time-nuts] MS3106R10SL-4S connector question >> >> >>If the contacts are loose and individually extractable/insertable, the >> pin >>is probably a dummy pin to substitute for the more expensive brass/gold >>pins. This is so the rubber does not distorted over time. >> >>-John >> >> > _______________________________________________ > time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com > To unsubscribe, go to > https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts > and follow the instructions there. > > _______________________________________________ > time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com > To unsubscribe, go to > https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts > and follow the instructions there. > >
RA
Robert Atkinson
Tue, Dec 10, 2013 6:27 PM

Hi,
John is correct. The plastic pin is used when a contact position is not wired. You put the unwired pin in first and then insert the plastic pin behind it, thick end first. It replaces the wire to seal that individual hole and also maintain correct seal pressure on the other wires. Blue for #16 pins, Red for #20. Not required if you don't need a full environmental seal.

Robert G8RPI. CEng, MRAeS, EASA licenced avionics engineer. (i.e. this is a definitive answer, I can certify that one of these is correctly installed on an aircraft :-)


From: J. Forster jfor@quikus.com
To: Bob Stewart bob@evoria.net; Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement time-nuts@febo.com
Sent: Tuesday, 10 December 2013, 2:58
Subject: Re: [time-nuts] MS3106R10SL-4S connector question

It's what I said. A blanking pin for the hole in the rubber seal, except
that it's only for the seal, not the whole connector.

-John

================

Take a look at ebay auction 261315795465.  It's a mil-spec connector and I
don't see any way for the connector pins to come out.  It looks like it's
probably pressure tight.  You can see the blue plastic pin in the third
picture.  It's almost like it has something to do with the rubber strain
relief/enviro shield, but I dunno what.

Bob


From: J. Forster jfor@quikus.com
To: Bob Stewart bob@evoria.net; Discussion of precise time and
frequency measurement time-nuts@febo.com
Sent: Monday, December 9, 2013 8:33 PM
Subject: Re: [time-nuts] MS3106R10SL-4S connector question

If the contacts are loose and individually extractable/insertable, the
pin
is probably a dummy pin to substitute for the more expensive brass/gold
pins. This is so the rubber does not distorted over time.

-John


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Hi, John is correct. The plastic pin is used when a contact position is not wired. You put the unwired pin in first and then insert the plastic pin behind it, thick end first. It replaces the wire to seal that individual hole and also maintain correct seal pressure on the other wires. Blue for #16 pins, Red for #20. Not required if you don't need a full environmental seal. Robert G8RPI. CEng, MRAeS, EASA licenced avionics engineer. (i.e. this is a definitive answer, I can certify that one of these is correctly installed on an aircraft :-) ________________________________ From: J. Forster <jfor@quikus.com> To: Bob Stewart <bob@evoria.net>; Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement <time-nuts@febo.com> Sent: Tuesday, 10 December 2013, 2:58 Subject: Re: [time-nuts] MS3106R10SL-4S connector question It's what I said. A blanking pin for the hole in the rubber seal, except that it's only for the seal, not the whole connector. -John ================ > Take a look at ebay auction 261315795465.  It's a mil-spec connector and I > don't see any way for the connector pins to come out.  It looks like it's > probably pressure tight.  You can see the blue plastic pin in the third > picture.  It's almost like it has something to do with the rubber strain > relief/enviro shield, but I dunno what. > > Bob > > > > >>________________________________ >> From: J. Forster <jfor@quikus.com> >>To: Bob Stewart <bob@evoria.net>; Discussion of precise time and >> frequency measurement <time-nuts@febo.com> >>Sent: Monday, December 9, 2013 8:33 PM >>Subject: Re: [time-nuts] MS3106R10SL-4S connector question >> >> >>If the contacts are loose and individually extractable/insertable, the >> pin >>is probably a dummy pin to substitute for the more expensive brass/gold >>pins. This is so the rubber does not distorted over time. >> >>-John >> >> > _______________________________________________ > time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com > To unsubscribe, go to > https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts > and follow the instructions there. > > _______________________________________________ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
BS
Bob Stewart
Tue, Dec 10, 2013 6:38 PM

Thanks Robert.  So, am I right in thinking that you insert the small end from the connector side of the rubber grommet and pull it through until the thick part just touches the narrowed place in the grommet?  They have it sized to imply that.  Are there any assembly documents on the net that lay it out in a straightforward manner?  I couldn't find anything related to the plastic pin.  Note that this is for future info.  I've assembled my connector with 2 wires and given it my blessing.  =)

Bob


From: Robert Atkinson robert8rpi@yahoo.co.uk
To: "jfor@quikus.com" jfor@quikus.com; Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement time-nuts@febo.com
Sent: Tuesday, December 10, 2013 12:27 PM
Subject: Re: [time-nuts] MS3106R10SL-4S connector question

Hi,
John is correct. The plastic pin is used when a contact position is not wired. You put the unwired pin in first and then insert the plastic pin behind it, thick end first. It replaces the wire to seal that individual hole and also maintain correct seal pressure on the other wires. Blue for #16 pins, Red for #20. Not required if you don't need a full environmental seal.

Robert G8RPI. CEng, MRAeS, EASA licenced avionics engineer. (i.e. this is a definitive answer, I can certify that one of these is correctly installed on an aircraft :-)

Thanks Robert.  So, am I right in thinking that you insert the small end from the connector side of the rubber grommet and pull it through until the thick part just touches the narrowed place in the grommet?  They have it sized to imply that.  Are there any assembly documents on the net that lay it out in a straightforward manner?  I couldn't find anything related to the plastic pin.  Note that this is for future info.  I've assembled my connector with 2 wires and given it my blessing.  =) Bob >________________________________ > From: Robert Atkinson <robert8rpi@yahoo.co.uk> >To: "jfor@quikus.com" <jfor@quikus.com>; Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement <time-nuts@febo.com> >Sent: Tuesday, December 10, 2013 12:27 PM >Subject: Re: [time-nuts] MS3106R10SL-4S connector question > > >Hi, >John is correct. The plastic pin is used when a contact position is not wired. You put the unwired pin in first and then insert the plastic pin behind it, thick end first. It replaces the wire to seal that individual hole and also maintain correct seal pressure on the other wires. Blue for #16 pins, Red for #20. Not required if you don't need a full environmental seal. > >Robert G8RPI. CEng, MRAeS, EASA licenced avionics engineer. (i.e. this is a definitive answer, I can certify that one of these is correctly installed on an aircraft :-) > >
JF
J. Forster
Tue, Dec 10, 2013 6:54 PM

If you are using both wires of a two-pin connector the question is moot.

There are exquisitely detailed docs on connector assembly out there, both
from the manufacturers and agencies like NASA. They include everything
from tool settings, proper locators, to assembly torques.

IMO, unless you are building a spacecraft or somesuch, solder in your
wires, assemble the connector, and be happy.

You can spend years learning about mil connectors.

YMMV,

-John

==================

Thanks Robert.  So, am I right in thinking that you insert the small end
from the connector side of the rubber grommet and pull it through until
the thick part just touches the narrowed place in the grommet?  They have
it sized to imply that.  Are there any assembly documents on the net that
lay it out in a straightforward manner?  I couldn't find anything related
to the plastic pin.  Note that this is for future info.  I've assembled my
connector with 2 wires and given it my blessing.  =)

Bob


From: Robert Atkinson robert8rpi@yahoo.co.uk
To: "jfor@quikus.com" jfor@quikus.com; Discussion of precise time and
frequency measurement time-nuts@febo.com
Sent: Tuesday, December 10, 2013 12:27 PM
Subject: Re: [time-nuts] MS3106R10SL-4S connector question

Hi,
John is correct. The plastic pin is used when a contact position is not
wired. You put the unwired pin in first and then insert the plastic pin
behind it, thick end first. It replaces the wire to seal that individual
hole and also maintain correct seal pressure on the other wires. Blue for
#16 pins, Red for #20. Not required if you don't need a full
environmental seal.

Robert G8RPI. CEng, MRAeS, EASA licenced avionics engineer. (i.e. this is
a definitive answer, I can certify that one of these is correctly
installed on an aircraft :-)


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If you are using both wires of a two-pin connector the question is moot. There are exquisitely detailed docs on connector assembly out there, both from the manufacturers and agencies like NASA. They include everything from tool settings, proper locators, to assembly torques. IMO, unless you are building a spacecraft or somesuch, solder in your wires, assemble the connector, and be happy. You can spend years learning about mil connectors. YMMV, -John ================== > Thanks Robert.  So, am I right in thinking that you insert the small end > from the connector side of the rubber grommet and pull it through until > the thick part just touches the narrowed place in the grommet?  They have > it sized to imply that.  Are there any assembly documents on the net that > lay it out in a straightforward manner?  I couldn't find anything related > to the plastic pin.  Note that this is for future info.  I've assembled my > connector with 2 wires and given it my blessing.  =) > > Bob > > > > >>________________________________ >> From: Robert Atkinson <robert8rpi@yahoo.co.uk> >>To: "jfor@quikus.com" <jfor@quikus.com>; Discussion of precise time and >> frequency measurement <time-nuts@febo.com> >>Sent: Tuesday, December 10, 2013 12:27 PM >>Subject: Re: [time-nuts] MS3106R10SL-4S connector question >> >> >>Hi, >>John is correct. The plastic pin is used when a contact position is not >> wired. You put the unwired pin in first and then insert the plastic pin >> behind it, thick end first. It replaces the wire to seal that individual >> hole and also maintain correct seal pressure on the other wires. Blue for >> #16 pins, Red for #20. Not required if you don't need a full >> environmental seal. >> >>Robert G8RPI. CEng, MRAeS, EASA licenced avionics engineer. (i.e. this is >> a definitive answer, I can certify that one of these is correctly >> installed on an aircraft :-) >> >> > _______________________________________________ > time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com > To unsubscribe, go to > https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts > and follow the instructions there. > >