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TWL: Fuel Line Vacuum Gauges

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normrose@earthlink.net
Fri, Apr 20, 2001 8:02 PM

I don't think the tire inflator stuff will work. It does have to be
spread around to work, but more importantly, there is a heat factor
involved. Most of them say you need to drive at least 25 miles before
stopping for any length of time. This is to ensure good distribution,
but also to generate the heat needed to cure the material. Unless you
find a brand where this is not a requirement. Calls for careful reading
of the printed material on the can. Good luck.
Norm Rose

I don't think the tire inflator stuff will work. It does have to be spread around to work, but more importantly, there is a heat factor involved. Most of them say you need to drive at least 25 miles before stopping for any length of time. This is to ensure good distribution, but also to generate the heat needed to cure the material. Unless you find a brand where this is not a requirement. Calls for careful reading of the printed material on the can. Good luck. Norm Rose
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e16@telus.net
Fri, Apr 20, 2001 8:09 PM

The most convenient location for me to install fuel line vacuum gauges is
either just before or just after the primary filters. Does that work?

Cheers, Garrett

The most convenient location for me to install fuel line vacuum gauges is either just before or just after the primary filters. Does that work? Cheers, Garrett
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bvcom@mac.com
Fri, Apr 20, 2001 9:01 PM

Is there such a thing as a liquid rubber to put inside the tubes of a zodiac
and fill invisible holes? I checked the archives and only found
recommandations to blow some foam to give a new life to an old dink, but it
would ruin it.

Does the emergency bottle to fix a flat tire works? Or some liquid silicone,
and then turn the dink upside down a few hundred times? (!)

thanks,

Bernard

Is there such a thing as a liquid rubber to put inside the tubes of a zodiac and fill invisible holes? I checked the archives and only found recommandations to blow some foam to give a new life to an old dink, but it would ruin it. Does the emergency bottle to fix a flat tire works? Or some liquid silicone, and then turn the dink upside down a few hundred times? (!) thanks, Bernard
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alexh@gte.net
Sat, Apr 21, 2001 12:14 AM

----- Original Message -----
From: "Garrett Lambert" e16@telus.net

The most convenient location for me to install fuel line vacuum gauges is
either just before or just after the primary filters. Does that work?

Hi Garrett,

The vacuum gauge will give an indication of flow restriction Upstream from
the gauge. If you install it just before the primary filter it will indicate
when the Racor is getting clogged. If you put it just after the primary it
will tell you when the Racor OR the primary is getting clogged (but it won't
tell you which one is the culprit). If you were to mount it before the Racor
it wouldn't do anything except in the unlikely case of a clogged or kinked
fuel or vent line.

Restrictively yours,

Alex

----- Original Message ----- From: "Garrett Lambert" <e16@telus.net> > The most convenient location for me to install fuel line vacuum gauges is > either just before or just after the primary filters. Does that work? > Hi Garrett, The vacuum gauge will give an indication of flow restriction Upstream from the gauge. If you install it just before the primary filter it will indicate when the Racor is getting clogged. If you put it just after the primary it will tell you when the Racor OR the primary is getting clogged (but it won't tell you which one is the culprit). If you were to mount it before the Racor it wouldn't do anything except in the unlikely case of a clogged or kinked fuel or vent line. Restrictively yours, Alex
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shaunsweeney@telus.net
Sat, Apr 21, 2001 3:13 AM

Just before won't work at all.  Just after will kind of work because the
most common cause for plugged filters seems to be a build up of water.
Still, if your problem is in your secondary filter, you won't see it
reflected on the vacum guage.  Right place is between fuel pump and
secondary filter.
You need to reflect the vacum created by the fuel pump.

Shaun aboard Rana III.

The most convenient location for me to install fuel line vacuum gauges is
either just before or just after the primary filters. Does that work?

Cheers, Garrett

Just before won't work at all. Just after will kind of work because the most common cause for plugged filters seems to be a build up of water. Still, if your problem is in your secondary filter, you won't see it reflected on the vacum guage. Right place is between fuel pump and secondary filter. You need to reflect the vacum created by the fuel pump. Shaun aboard Rana III. > The most convenient location for me to install fuel line vacuum gauges is > either just before or just after the primary filters. Does that work? > > Cheers, Garrett > >
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samakijoe@mediaone.net
Sat, Apr 21, 2001 3:41 AM

At 08:13 PM 04/20/2001 -0700, Shaun Sweeney wrote:

Just before won't work at all.  Just after will kind of work because the
most common cause for plugged filters seems to be a build up of water.
Still, if your problem is in your secondary filter, you won't see it
reflected on the vacum guage.  Right place is between fuel pump and
secondary filter.
You need to reflect the vacum created by the fuel pump.

Shaun aboard Rana III.

The most convenient location for me to install fuel line vacuum gauges is
either just before or just after the primary filters. Does that work?

Cheers, Garrett

I,m having trouble following all this.  I need a definition of the filters
named. Are the "primaries" the filters the fuel gets to first on it,s way
to the engine or are they the filters that came with the engine, the ones
sitting next to the injecter pump?  On our boat on each engine, I have the
factory filters on the engine and a Racor sitting on the bulkhead, my
vacumn gage sits between them (plumbing wise) ...jd
Joe DellaFera / Margaret Murray
36' Prairie  DC "SAMAKI"
soon to be renamed..??..
Pompano Beach, Fl.

At 08:13 PM 04/20/2001 -0700, Shaun Sweeney wrote: >Just before won't work at all. Just after will kind of work because the >most common cause for plugged filters seems to be a build up of water. >Still, if your problem is in your secondary filter, you won't see it >reflected on the vacum guage. Right place is between fuel pump and >secondary filter. >You need to reflect the vacum created by the fuel pump. > >Shaun aboard Rana III. > >> The most convenient location for me to install fuel line vacuum gauges is >> either just before or just after the primary filters. Does that work? >> >> Cheers, Garrett >> I,m having trouble following all this. I need a definition of the filters named. Are the "primaries" the filters the fuel gets to first on it,s way to the engine or are they the filters that came with the engine, the ones sitting next to the injecter pump? On our boat on each engine, I have the factory filters on the engine and a Racor sitting on the bulkhead, my vacumn gage sits between them (plumbing wise) ...jd Joe DellaFera / Margaret Murray 36' Prairie DC "SAMAKI" soon to be renamed..??.. Pompano Beach, Fl.
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scaramouche@tvo.org
Sat, Apr 21, 2001 4:12 PM

bvcom@mac.com writes:

Does the emergency bottle to fix a flat tire works?

I never tried it but heard from many boaters that is a good fix -
beware though you need many cans to cover the whole inside of a
rubber dinghy.

bvcom@mac.com writes: >Does the emergency bottle to fix a flat tire works? I never tried it but heard from many boaters that is a good fix - beware though you need many cans to cover the whole inside of a rubber dinghy.
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rcrogers@annapolis.net
Sat, Apr 21, 2001 4:24 PM

Surely the dinghy would have to have a Schrader valve. In addition, these
product depend upon the rotation of the tire to evenly distribute the heavy
viscosity liquid. Cannot see using tire saver at all.

----- Original Message -----

Does the emergency bottle to fix a flat tire works?

I never tried it but heard from many boaters that is a good fix -
beware though you need many cans to cover the whole inside of a
rubber dinghy.

Surely the dinghy would have to have a Schrader valve. In addition, these product depend upon the rotation of the tire to evenly distribute the heavy viscosity liquid. Cannot see using tire saver at all. ----- Original Message ----- > >Does the emergency bottle to fix a flat tire works? > I never tried it but heard from many boaters that is a good fix - > beware though you need many cans to cover the whole inside of a > rubber dinghy.
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alexh@gte.net
Sat, Apr 21, 2001 7:38 PM

----- Original Message -----
From: "Joe DellaFera" samakijoe@mediaone.net

I,m having trouble following all this.  I need a definition of the filters
named.

Hi Joe,

Fuel travels from the tank to the "Auxiliary" filter (often a Racor) after
which it goes to the "Primary" fuel filter (on the engine) and then to the
secondary fuel filter if one is part of the system (also on the engine).

It should be noted that some engines (e.g. Lehman) mount two filters but
they are identical in which case you've got two primaries. I'm not sure if
filters in this arrangement operate in series or parallel but, nonetheless,
they would be considered primary filters when you go to buy replacements.

All this is unimportant if you do your own work and order your filters by
part number. OTOH: Consider what could happen if circumstances were
different:

Scenario One - You hire one of Marty Chin's less professional competitors to
service your engine. You tell them to change the oil and all the filters
except the primary fuel filter which you have just changed yourself. When
you said "Primary" you were thinking about the auxiliary Racor but the
technician assumed you were talking about the filters on the engine. Result;
The primary engine fuel filter doesn't get changed and a brand new Racor
element is replaced with another one. Granted, most technicians would ask
for clarification but occasionally one will simply take you at your word.

Scenario Two - You're about to change your own fuel filters and you go to a
filter warehouse to buy what you need. You ask for a secondary fuel filter
for a Lehman 120. The counterman will probably tell you that his supplier
doesn't make such a filter. If, however, you had asked for primary fuel
filters or simply fuel filters you would have gotten exactly what you need.
Granted, a good counterman would have figured out what you wanted but good
countermen are getting a bit harder to find these days.

The bottom line is that you can call things whatever you want as long as it
doesn't interfere with the way you do things. If you are in any way
dependant on others for your maintenance needs it is a good idea to learn a
bit of their language.

Translationally yours,

Alex

----- Original Message ----- From: "Joe DellaFera" <samakijoe@mediaone.net> > >> > I,m having trouble following all this. I need a definition of the filters > named. Hi Joe, Fuel travels from the tank to the "Auxiliary" filter (often a Racor) after which it goes to the "Primary" fuel filter (on the engine) and then to the secondary fuel filter if one is part of the system (also on the engine). It should be noted that some engines (e.g. Lehman) mount two filters but they are identical in which case you've got two primaries. I'm not sure if filters in this arrangement operate in series or parallel but, nonetheless, they would be considered primary filters when you go to buy replacements. All this is unimportant if you do your own work and order your filters by part number. OTOH: Consider what could happen if circumstances were different: Scenario One - You hire one of Marty Chin's less professional competitors to service your engine. You tell them to change the oil and all the filters except the primary fuel filter which you have just changed yourself. When you said "Primary" you were thinking about the auxiliary Racor but the technician assumed you were talking about the filters on the engine. Result; The primary engine fuel filter doesn't get changed and a brand new Racor element is replaced with another one. Granted, most technicians would ask for clarification but occasionally one will simply take you at your word. Scenario Two - You're about to change your own fuel filters and you go to a filter warehouse to buy what you need. You ask for a secondary fuel filter for a Lehman 120. The counterman will probably tell you that his supplier doesn't make such a filter. If, however, you had asked for primary fuel filters or simply fuel filters you would have gotten exactly what you need. Granted, a good counterman would have figured out what you wanted but good countermen are getting a bit harder to find these days. The bottom line is that you can call things whatever you want as long as it doesn't interfere with the way you do things. If you are in any way dependant on others for your maintenance needs it is a good idea to learn a bit of their language. Translationally yours, Alex
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shaunsweeney@telus.net
Sun, Apr 22, 2001 4:11 AM

I suggest:

Upstream: Towards the fuel tanks.
Primary: The first filter encountered by fuel coming from the tank(s)
Secondary: The second filter encountered ....

Now as I understand it .... the fuel pump sucks fuel thru the secondary,
primary and ultimately from the fuel tank.  The vacum guage is intended to
monitor how hard the fuel pump is sucking, or, how much vacum is created by
that suction just prior to entering the fuel pump.  We know that the engines
will stop when the pump cannot suck enough fuel to meet the engines needs.

My Lehmans will stall (while idling) at about 60 kPa vacum which is well
into the red.

Shaun aboard Rana III

I suggest: Upstream: Towards the fuel tanks. Primary: The first filter encountered by fuel coming from the tank(s) Secondary: The second filter encountered .... Now as I understand it .... the fuel pump sucks fuel thru the secondary, primary and ultimately from the fuel tank. The vacum guage is intended to monitor how hard the fuel pump is sucking, or, how much vacum is created by that suction just prior to entering the fuel pump. We know that the engines will stop when the pump cannot suck enough fuel to meet the engines needs. My Lehmans will stall (while idling) at about 60 kPa vacum which is well into the red. Shaun aboard Rana III