Nav. Rules
Are vessels under oars or paddles considered 'power-driven vessels' under
the Int'l or Inland Rules? If so, can the authority be provided? This is
not defined in the rules, at least not that I can see, and I cannot find
any authority that does render an opinion on it.
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Rudy-
Found under Rule 3’s General Definitions-
Rule 3 - General Definitions
The term 'power-driven vessel' means any vessel propelled by machinery;
Best,
Craig in Maine
On Jun 27, 2021, at 7:38 AM, Rudy Sechez rudysechez@gmail.com wrote:
Are vessels under oars or paddles considered 'power-driven vessels' under
the Int'l or Inland Rules? If so, can the authority be provided? This is
not defined in the rules, at least not that I can see, and I cannot find
any authority that does render an opinion on it.
*Rudy & Jill Sechez *
*BRINEY BUG-a 34' Sail-Assisted Trawler *
*850-832-7748 *
*www.trawlertrainingabc.com http://www.trawlertrainingabc.com *
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Rudy-
Found under Rule 3’s General Definitions-
Rule 3 - General Definitions
The term 'power-driven vessel' means any vessel propelled by machinery;
Best,
Craig in Maine
Rule 3
(b) The term "power-driven vessel" means any vessel propelled by
machinery
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Are vessels under oars or paddles considered 'power-driven vessels'
under the Int'l or Inland Rules? If so, can the authority be provided?
This is not defined in the rules, at least not that I can see, and I
cannot find any authority that does render an opinion on it.
*Rudy & Jill Sechez *
*BRINEY BUG-a 34' Sail-Assisted Trawler *
*850-832-7748 *
*www.trawlertrainingabc.com http://www.trawlertrainingabc.com *
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My assumption is that oars are 'machinery', but is there an authority or
court precedent that states so? Farwell states- "Power-driven vessels
include all vessels propelled by mechanical means, even if the vessel is
also propelled by sail or oars". The question comes down to whether oars
and paddles. legally, are 'machinery' or are 'mechanical means'. The rules
(3b) only address 'machinery'. Irrespective of Rule 8 and not on 'Western
Rivers' and other designated waterways, this can be a critical aspect of a
case should they be involved in a collision with a vessel under oars...
e.g. the skull is crossing and coming towards the vessel's port side (red)
and does not give way. (Rule 15).
I don't intent for this to call into play all of the other applicable
rules, just whether a vessel under oars is a power-driven vessel.
*Rudy & Jill Sechez *
*BRINEY BUG-a 34' Sail-Assisted Trawler *
*850-832-7748 *
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I think Falwell is referring to the fact that ALL vessels are governed by the rule, as is stated in the rules. His use of the word ALSO after the mention of machinery means sails and oars are NOT machinery.
From: Rudy Sechez rudysechez@gmail.com
Sent: Sunday, June 27, 2021 9:34 AM
To: Rich Gano richgano@gmail.com
Cc: Trawlers and Trawlering trawlers@lists.trawlering.com
Subject: Re: Nav. Rules
My assumption is that oars are 'machinery', but is there an authority or court precedent that states so? Farwell states- "Power-driven vessels include all vessels propelled by mechanical means, even if the vessel is also propelled by sail or oars". The question comes down to whether oars and paddles. legally, are 'machinery' or are 'mechanical means'. The rules (3b) only address 'machinery'. Irrespective of Rule 8 and not on 'Western Rivers' and other designated waterways, this can be a critical aspect of a case should they be involved in a collision with a vessel under oars... e.g. the skull is crossing and coming towards the vessel's port side (red) and does not give way. (Rule 15).
I don't intent for this to call into play all of the other applicable rules, just whether a vessel under oars is a power-driven vessel.
Rudy & Jill Sechez
BRINEY BUG-a 34' Sail-Assisted Trawler
850-832-7748
www.trawlertrainingabc.com http://www.trawlertrainingabc.com
Corsica R. Md
Isn’t it that oars are powered by humans, not machinery…and sails are powered by wind?
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On Jun 27, 2021, at 11:29 AM, Rudy Sechez rudysechez@gmail.com wrote:
My assumption is that oars are 'machinery', but is there an authority or
court precedent that states so? Farwell states- "Power-driven vessels
include all vessels propelled by mechanical means, even if the vessel is
also propelled by sail or oars". The question comes down to whether oars
and paddles. legally, are 'machinery' or are 'mechanical means'. The rules
(3b) only address 'machinery'. Irrespective of Rule 8 and not on 'Western
Rivers' and other designated waterways, this can be a critical aspect of a
case should they be involved in a collision with a vessel under oars...
e.g. the skull is crossing and coming towards the vessel's port side (red)
and does not give way. (Rule 15).
I don't intent for this to call into play all of the other applicable
rules, just whether a vessel under oars is a power-driven vessel.
use is prohibited.
The issue here is specific to Rule 15- Crossing Situations, wherein the
Rule specifically states power-driven vessels. If oars are not 'machinery'
under the Rules or by court degree, then the approach to an oar-powered
vessel may need to be evaluated differently than if they are a power-driven
vessel. If taken to court I'd like to have an authority's ruling.
*Rudy & Jill Sechez *
*BRINEY BUG-a 34' Sail-Assisted Trawler *
*850-832-7748 *
*www.trawlertrainingabc.com http://www.trawlertrainingabc.com *
Corsica R. Md.
Believe me, if you get run over by a powerboat while rowing, and you survive, you will be set for life. If you don’t survive, Jill will be a rich and much sought-after widow. 😊
From: Rudy Sechez rudysechez@gmail.com
Sent: Sunday, June 27, 2021 12:45 PM
To: Rich Gano richgano@gmail.com
Cc: Trawlers-and-Trawlering trawlers@lists.trawlering.com
Subject: Re: Nav. Rules
The issue here is specific to Rule 15- Crossing Situations, wherein the Rule specifically states power-driven vessels. If oars are not 'machinery' under the Rules or by court degree, then the approach to an oar-powered vessel may need to be evaluated differently than if they are a power-driven vessel. If taken to court I'd like to have an authority's ruling.
Rudy & Jill Sechez
BRINEY BUG-a 34' Sail-Assisted Trawler
850-832-7748
www.trawlertrainingabc.com http://www.trawlertrainingabc.com
Corsica R. Md.
I like that one!
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From: Craig Mudge cwmudge@me.com
Isn’t it that oars are powered by humans, not machinery…and sails are powered by wind?