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Paul

Sat, Nov 5, 2005 6:19 PM

The Free NOAA charts are available for downloading at
http://www.freeboatingcharts.com/
This is a Maptech site and allows you to download by Maptech region, chart
number or from a map.

I have no idea if the site is officially live, but it does deliver current
charts in BSB V3 format.

The Free NOAA charts are available for downloading at http://www.freeboatingcharts.com/ This is a Maptech site and allows you to download by Maptech region, chart number or from a map. I have no idea if the site is officially live, but it does deliver current charts in BSB V3 format.

MM

Mike Maurice

Sat, Nov 5, 2005 10:34 PM

"Paul " paul@overweb.com
At 01:19 PM 11/5/2005 -0500, you wrote:

The Free NOAA charts are available for downloading at
http://www.freeboatingcharts.com/

I took a look at this site. The chart for Columbia River Entrance
18521-1 appears to be the latest Nov 2004. There may be a new one
just about to come out, but all in all this appears to be good
evidence of the charts being up to date.
The site is clumsy in that you can't use the map search version page
with reliability. And you have to sign up.
I don't have much use for this as I use the Outdoor Navigator
versions, but if the V3 file format suits you and you only need US
charts this is pretty attractive to use on your PC.

Mike

Capt. Mike Maurice
Tualatin(Portland), Oregon

"Paul " <paul@overweb.com> At 01:19 PM 11/5/2005 -0500, you wrote: >The Free NOAA charts are available for downloading at >http://www.freeboatingcharts.com/ I took a look at this site. The chart for Columbia River Entrance 18521-1 appears to be the latest Nov 2004. There may be a new one just about to come out, but all in all this appears to be good evidence of the charts being up to date. The site is clumsy in that you can't use the map search version page with reliability. And you have to sign up. I don't have much use for this as I use the Outdoor Navigator versions, but if the V3 file format suits you and you only need US charts this is pretty attractive to use on your PC. Mike Capt. Mike Maurice Tualatin(Portland), Oregon

AJ

Arild Jensen

Mon, Nov 7, 2005 3:10 AM

-----Original Message-----

"Paul " paul@overweb.com wrote:

The Free NOAA charts are available for downloading at
http://www.freeboatingcharts.com/

Capt. Mike Maurice replied
I took a look at this site. all in all this appears to be good
evidence of the charts being up to date.

Question:
Is there also a chart viewer program you can download to view these
charts?
I looked but didn't see it.
Was
That website sure is slow. Despite using my friend's DSL line it took
almost an hour to download the charts for PNW region. Download speed was
about 49kb or the same as my dial up modem.

Arild

-----Original Message----- "Paul " <paul@overweb.com> wrote: >The Free NOAA charts are available for downloading at >http://www.freeboatingcharts.com/ Capt. Mike Maurice replied I took a look at this site. all in all this appears to be good evidence of the charts being up to date. Question: Is there also a chart viewer program you can download to view these charts? I looked but didn't see it. Was That website sure is slow. Despite using my friend's DSL line it took almost an hour to download the charts for PNW region. Download speed was about 49kb or the same as my dial up modem. Arild

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Dave Steele

Mon, Nov 7, 2005 3:59 AM

Arlid,

The Chart Navigator is free and located at this page
http://www.freeboatingcharts.com/
Which is just below the place where you choose to get the free charts.

Dave Steele

Question:
Is there also a chart viewer program you can download to view these
charts?
I looked but didn't see it.
Was
That website sure is slow. Despite using my friend's DSL line it took
almost an hour to download the charts for PNW region. Download speed was
about 49kb or the same as my dial up modem.

Arild

Arlid, The Chart Navigator is free and located at this page http://www.freeboatingcharts.com/ Which is just below the place where you choose to get the free charts. Dave Steele > > Question: > Is there also a chart viewer program you can download to view these > charts? > I looked but didn't see it. > Was > That website sure is slow. Despite using my friend's DSL line it took > almost an hour to download the charts for PNW region. Download speed was > about 49kb or the same as my dial up modem. > > Arild > _______________________________________________

AJ

Arild Jensen

Mon, Nov 7, 2005 4:33 AM

-----Original Message-----
Arlid,

The Chart Navigator is free and located at this page
http://www.freeboatingcharts.com/
Which is just below the place where you choose to get the free charts.

Dave Steele

REPLY
Okay, that's the part I can't get to work. Clicking on that disconnects
me every time. Probably something wrong at this end.

Will try again tomorrow.

Thanks!

Arild

-----Original Message----- Arlid, The Chart Navigator is free and located at this page http://www.freeboatingcharts.com/ Which is just below the place where you choose to get the free charts. Dave Steele REPLY Okay, that's the part I can't get to work. Clicking on that disconnects me every time. Probably something wrong at this end. Will try again tomorrow. Thanks! Arild

JW

Joe W

Mon, Nov 7, 2005 5:39 AM

Arild,
I believe it must be your connection. I downloaded the entire US in about 2 hours. Had multiple downloads at approx 75kb/s running simultaneous. Have cable modem here though so that is perhaps main diff. Have perused most of the local charts for my region and haven't seen any glaring discrepancies. (New span to Clearwater isn't represented yet) For my lower helm on a laptop running this (upper helm on chartplotter) these will be perfect. What I like most about this program is the speed with which it loads and the navigation from chart to chart. Thanks to whomever originated the link....

Went to the boat show here over the weekend (St Pete Strictly Sail) and oggled the new products. Bought a quart of snakeoil called "New Glass" Supposed to absorb into dried out gelcoat and seal it. Non slip finish so good for topsides it seems. Demo looked good. Anybody used it? I'll give a report after I apply it...

Joel Wilkins
m/v Jolly Mon
St Pete, FL

Arild, I believe it must be your connection. I downloaded the entire US in about 2 hours. Had multiple downloads at approx 75kb/s running simultaneous. Have cable modem here though so that is perhaps main diff. Have perused most of the local charts for my region and haven't seen any glaring discrepancies. (New span to Clearwater isn't represented yet) For my lower helm on a laptop running this (upper helm on chartplotter) these will be perfect. What I like most about this program is the speed with which it loads and the navigation from chart to chart. Thanks to whomever originated the link.... Went to the boat show here over the weekend (St Pete Strictly Sail) and oggled the new products. Bought a quart of snakeoil called "New Glass" Supposed to absorb into dried out gelcoat and seal it. Non slip finish so good for topsides it seems. Demo looked good. Anybody used it? I'll give a report after I apply it... Joel Wilkins m/v Jolly Mon St Pete, FL

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Keith

Tue, Nov 8, 2005 8:29 PM

Newglass is an acrylic coating that you will wish you never heard of if you
apply it. It will work great for a year or two, then will turn yellow and
start to flake off, but will be dammed near impossible to remove. I would
certainly test a very small spot first and be patient to see how it weathers
if you must.

Keith

"A man who has never gone to school may steal from a freight car; but if he
has a university education, he may steal the whole railroad." - Theodore
Roosevelt
----- Original Message -----
From: "Joe W" cruiser6003@yahoo.com

Went to the boat show here over the weekend (St Pete Strictly Sail) and
oggled the new products. Bought a quart of snakeoil called "New Glass"
Supposed to absorb into dried out gelcoat and seal it. Non slip finish so
good for topsides it seems. Demo looked good. Anybody used it? I'll give a
report after I apply it...

Newglass is an acrylic coating that you will wish you never heard of if you apply it. It will work great for a year or two, then will turn yellow and start to flake off, but will be dammed near impossible to remove. I would certainly test a very small spot first and be patient to see how it weathers if you must. Keith _____ "A man who has never gone to school may steal from a freight car; but if he has a university education, he may steal the whole railroad." - Theodore Roosevelt ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joe W" <cruiser6003@yahoo.com> > > Went to the boat show here over the weekend (St Pete Strictly Sail) and > oggled the new products. Bought a quart of snakeoil called "New Glass" > Supposed to absorb into dried out gelcoat and seal it. Non slip finish so > good for topsides it seems. Demo looked good. Anybody used it? I'll give a > report after I apply it...

PH

Peggie Hall

Tue, Nov 8, 2005 11:44 PM

Keith wrote:

Newglass is an acrylic coating that you will wish you never heard of if you
apply it. It will work great for a year or two, then will turn yellow and
start to flake off, but will be dammed near impossible to remove. I would
certainly test a very small spot first and be patient to see how it weathers
if you must.

I made the mistake of using it on one of my boats. It made a 9 year old
Sea Ray look almost showroom new again...and with almost -0- effort. And
it looked great for 2 more years...but then UV, foot traffic, air
pollution etc began--as it inevitably must--to take its toll...it began
to crack and peel...time to strip and re-apply.

I compounded, I tried ammonia, liquid abrasive cleansers, acrylic floor
finish removers...NOTHING I tried would take the d'd stuff off! I
finally hired a detailer, who was able to remove it, but told me that I
put it on my boat again I could call someone else next time it had to
come off.

I went back to wax.

I've heard similar horror stories from others, not only about NG, but
also Vertglas and other similar products. EVERYone loves the immediate
results...but I don't know of anyone who's put it back after it had to
stripped.

Peggie

Peggie Hall
Specializing in marine sanitation since 1987
Author "Get Rid of Boat Odors - A Guide To Marine Sanitation Systems and
Other Sources of Aggravation and Odor"
http://www.seaworthy.com/store/customer/product.php?productid=40&cat=6&page=1
http://shop.sailboatowners.com/detail.tpl?fno=400&group=327

Keith wrote: > Newglass is an acrylic coating that you will wish you never heard of if you > apply it. It will work great for a year or two, then will turn yellow and > start to flake off, but will be dammed near impossible to remove. I would > certainly test a very small spot first and be patient to see how it weathers > if you must. I made the mistake of using it on one of my boats. It made a 9 year old Sea Ray look almost showroom new again...and with almost -0- effort. And it looked great for 2 more years...but then UV, foot traffic, air pollution etc began--as it inevitably must--to take its toll...it began to crack and peel...time to strip and re-apply. I compounded, I tried ammonia, liquid abrasive cleansers, acrylic floor finish removers...NOTHING I tried would take the d'd stuff off! I finally hired a detailer, who was able to remove it, but told me that I put it on my boat again I could call someone else next time it had to come off. I went back to wax. I've heard similar horror stories from others, not only about NG, but also Vertglas and other similar products. EVERYone loves the immediate results...but I don't know of anyone who's put it back after it had to stripped. -- Peggie ---------- Peggie Hall Specializing in marine sanitation since 1987 Author "Get Rid of Boat Odors - A Guide To Marine Sanitation Systems and Other Sources of Aggravation and Odor" http://www.seaworthy.com/store/customer/product.php?productid=40&cat=6&page=1 http://shop.sailboatowners.com/detail.tpl?fno=400&group=327

KR

Kevin Redden

Wed, Nov 9, 2005 2:20 AM

-----Original Message-----
I've heard similar horror stories from others, not only about NG, but
also Vertglas and other similar products.

Yep - I too have a similar horror story. The PO of my boat had used a
similar product, PoliGlow, on the hull, from water line to gunwale. It was
horrible stuff that just got worse with age.

After many attempts to get it off with everything from Acetone on up, I
finally found a paint stripper that took it off. It took about 60 man hours
to strip the junk off the hull of a 34' boat - I don't want to ever go
through that again.

I would strongly recommend owners to stay away from acrylic based snake oil
cures. They rank right up there with magnetic fuel bug 'killers', except
that the magnetic devices only harm your pocket book, not your fiberglass.

Kevin Redden

> -----Original Message----- > I've heard similar horror stories from others, not only about NG, but > also Vertglas and other similar products. Yep - I too have a similar horror story. The PO of my boat had used a similar product, PoliGlow, on the hull, from water line to gunwale. It was horrible stuff that just got worse with age. After many attempts to get it off with everything from Acetone on up, I finally found a paint stripper that took it off. It took about 60 man hours to strip the junk off the hull of a 34' boat - I don't want to ever go through that again. I would strongly recommend owners to stay away from acrylic based snake oil cures. They rank right up there with magnetic fuel bug 'killers', except that the magnetic devices only harm your pocket book, not your fiberglass. Kevin Redden

JW

Joe W

Wed, Nov 9, 2005 3:28 AM

Snip...I would strongly recommend owners to stay away from acrylic based snake oil cures. They rank right up there with magnetic fuel bug 'killers'...endsnip

Wow, the response from everybody agreed... "do NOT use" .

Part 2 same question: Would it make a difference if I said the boat is under full cover (ie no UV exposure) 6 days a week? In other words, is it a timebased breakdown, or UV based?

If still a no go, then the question remains....what do I use on my very clean but glossless and dry topsides? Would like to seal it against staining, give a shine (some) and keep the footing positive.

Joel Wilkins
m/v Jolly Mon
St Pete, FL

Snip...I would strongly recommend owners to stay away from acrylic based snake oil cures. They rank right up there with magnetic fuel bug 'killers'...endsnip Wow, the response from everybody agreed... "do NOT use" . Part 2 same question: Would it make a difference if I said the boat is under full cover (ie no UV exposure) 6 days a week? In other words, is it a timebased breakdown, or UV based? If still a no go, then the question remains....what do I use on my very clean but glossless and dry topsides? Would like to seal it against staining, give a shine (some) and keep the footing positive. Joel Wilkins m/v Jolly Mon St Pete, FL

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I've heard similar horror stories from others, not only about NG, but
also Vertglas and other similar products. EVERYone loves the immediate
results...but I don't know of anyone who's put it back after it had to
stripped.

Peggie