Time of death-Again
We seem to have moved from natural death to an engineered version in
an attempt to document the "exact" time of death and we are still not
time-nuts close :)
Steve
On 28 October 2010 16:42, Michael Conlen michael.conlen@ncf.edu wrote:
Remember though, they were flying low to stay under radar and evade the
enemy while going for their secondary target because they couldn't reach the
first. They dropped from a pretty low target, and probably didn't care since
as far as they could tell the world wasn't going to be worth living in if
they got back.
On Wed, Oct 27, 2010 at 6:51 PM, Perry Sandeen sandeenpa@yahoo.com wrote:
Gents,
Wrote: < If you want a sub-microsecond time of death, sit on a bomb like
Major T. J. "King" Kong in "Dr. Strangelove," and get your friends to time
and triangulate the prompt radiation. That should be good to a few 10's of
nanoseconds.
Absolutely Not So!
The H-Bombs are slowed by parachutes so the bomber can get away. The
outside temperature for a B-52 at operating altitude over Russia would
likely be at least minus 60 degrees F.
Major T, since he was wearing an indoor uniform, would become a solid block
of ice before the bomb went off so his TOD has a variance of time between
when became a solid chunk of ice and the time of instant defrosting. This
could be 30 to 60 seconds. Totally un-acceptable accuracy for even the
cadet grade newbe time-nut ;)
Why, anyone accepting such an error would have to answer to the Coca Cola
company distributor at Burpelson Air Force Base.
Carpay Diem, Carpell Tunnel-Whatever
Regards,
Perrier
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Wasn't there a sci-fi movie with a similar scene? (guy riding bomb, but in space) I know I've seen it, but can't place it.
Dave
----- Original Message -----
From: "Michael Conlen" michael.conlen@ncf.edu
To: "Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement" time-nuts@febo.com
Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2010 9:42:11 PM
Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Time of death-Again
Remember though, they were flying low to stay under radar and evade the
enemy while going for their secondary target because they couldn't reach the
first. They dropped from a pretty low target, and probably didn't care since
as far as they could tell the world wasn't going to be worth living in if
they got back.
On Wed, Oct 27, 2010 at 6:51 PM, Perry Sandeen sandeenpa@yahoo.com wrote:
Gents,
Wrote: < If you want a sub-microsecond time of death, sit on a bomb like
Major T. J. "King" Kong in "Dr. Strangelove," and get your friends to time
and triangulate the prompt radiation. That should be good to a few 10's of
nanoseconds.
Absolutely Not So!
The H-Bombs are slowed by parachutes so the bomber can get away. The
outside temperature for a B-52 at operating altitude over Russia would
likely be at least minus 60 degrees F.
Major T, since he was wearing an indoor uniform, would become a solid block
of ice before the bomb went off so his TOD has a variance of time between
when became a solid chunk of ice and the time of instant defrosting. This
could be 30 to 60 seconds. Totally un-acceptable accuracy for even the
cadet grade newbe time-nut ;)
Why, anyone accepting such an error would have to answer to the Coca Cola
company distributor at Burpelson Air Force Base.
Carpay Diem, Carpell Tunnel-Whatever
Regards,
Perrier
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Fellow time nut(s),
isn't this not going too far, going to be disgusting and perhaps
wounding feelings?
No better things in mind? Could we stop this and come back to the
roots,talk and discuss about real physical and technical time concerning
points instead? It's not everybody's humor to philosophize about wars,
H-bombs, Electric Chairs etc. and what is the effective way to kill life
faster...
This is my opinion and perhaps I am not alone. Am I wrong?
Regards,
Arnold
Am 28.10.2010 02:47, schrieb William H. Fite:
Mein Fuhrer, I can valk...er...I can time.
On Wed, Oct 27, 2010 at 6:51 PM, Perry Sandeen sandeenpa@yahoo.com wrote:
Gents,
Wrote: < If you want a sub-microsecond time of death, sit on a bomb like
Major T. J. "King" Kong in "Dr. Strangelove," and get your friends to time
and triangulate the prompt radiation. That should be good to a few 10's of
nanoseconds.
Absolutely Not So!
The H-Bombs are slowed by parachutes so the bomber can get away. The
outside temperature for a B-52 at operating altitude over Russia would
likely be at least minus 60 degrees F.
Major T, since he was wearing an indoor uniform, would become a solid block
of ice before the bomb went off so his TOD has a variance of time between
when became a solid chunk of ice and the time of instant defrosting. This
could be 30 to 60 seconds. Totally un-acceptable accuracy for even the
cadet grade newbe time-nut ;)
Why, anyone accepting such an error would have to answer to the Coca Cola
company distributor at Burpelson Air Force Base.
Carpay Diem, Carpell Tunnel-Whatever
Regards,
Perrier
Dark Star.
-----Original Message-----
From: time-nuts-bounces@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-bounces@febo.com] On
Behalf Of d.seiter@comcast.net
Sent: 28 October 2010 10:13
To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement
Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Time of death-Again
Wasn't there a sci-fi movie with a similar scene? (guy riding bomb, but in
space) I know I've seen it, but can't place it.
Dave
----- Original Message -----
From: "Michael Conlen" michael.conlen@ncf.edu
To: "Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement"
time-nuts@febo.com
Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2010 9:42:11 PM
Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Time of death-Again
Remember though, they were flying low to stay under radar and evade the
enemy while going for their secondary target because they couldn't reach the
first. They dropped from a pretty low target, and probably didn't care since
as far as they could tell the world wasn't going to be worth living in if
they got back.
On Wed, Oct 27, 2010 at 6:51 PM, Perry Sandeen sandeenpa@yahoo.com wrote:
Gents,
Wrote: < If you want a sub-microsecond time of death, sit on a bomb like
Major T. J. "King" Kong in "Dr. Strangelove," and get your friends to time
and triangulate the prompt radiation. That should be good to a few 10's of
nanoseconds.
Absolutely Not So!
The H-Bombs are slowed by parachutes so the bomber can get away. The
outside temperature for a B-52 at operating altitude over Russia would
likely be at least minus 60 degrees F.
Major T, since he was wearing an indoor uniform, would become a solid
block
of ice before the bomb went off so his TOD has a variance of time between
when became a solid chunk of ice and the time of instant defrosting. This
could be 30 to 60 seconds. Totally un-acceptable accuracy for even the
cadet grade newbe time-nut ;)
Why, anyone accepting such an error would have to answer to the Coca Cola
company distributor at Burpelson Air Force Base.
Carpay Diem, Carpell Tunnel-Whatever
Regards,
Perrier
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Dave
-----Original Message-----
From: time-nuts-bounces@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-bounces@febo.com] On Behalf Of d.seiter@comcast.net
Sent: 28 October 2010 10:13
To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement
Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Time of death-Again
Wasn't there a sci-fi movie with a similar scene? (guy riding bomb, but in space) I know I've seen it, but can't place it.
Dave
One thing we should bear in mind that our tombstone timestamp should
have things like the timezone, and calendar in use, references, such
that future people can determine the exact point in time of our death.
In fact, basing the timestamp on some true reference point would
better than about 2000 years after some event happened on earth as
archaeologists from other words coming to the Earth in the future
would be left to figure out this arbitrary time event. I would propose
that we relate the year portion (which is the LSB and most important)
to some celestial event thereby making it possible to document this
easily for future life-forms to determine. The whole year/date thing
really should be made secular as there is no place for religion in the
governance of society.
Steve
On 28 October 2010 22:19, Arnold Tibus arnold.tibus@gmx.de wrote:
Fellow time nut(s),
isn't this not going too far, going to be disgusting and perhaps
wounding feelings?
No better things in mind? Could we stop this and come back to the
roots,talk and discuss about real physical and technical time concerning
points instead? It's not everybody's humor to philosophize about wars,
H-bombs, Electric Chairs etc. and what is the effective way to kill life
faster...
This is my opinion and perhaps I am not alone. Am I wrong?
Regards,
Arnold
Am 28.10.2010 02:47, schrieb William H. Fite:
Mein Fuhrer, I can valk...er...I can time.
On Wed, Oct 27, 2010 at 6:51 PM, Perry Sandeen sandeenpa@yahoo.com wrote:
Gents,
Wrote: < If you want a sub-microsecond time of death, sit on a bomb like
Major T. J. "King" Kong in "Dr. Strangelove," and get your friends to time
and triangulate the prompt radiation. That should be good to a few 10's of
nanoseconds.
Absolutely Not So!
The H-Bombs are slowed by parachutes so the bomber can get away. The
outside temperature for a B-52 at operating altitude over Russia would
likely be at least minus 60 degrees F.
Major T, since he was wearing an indoor uniform, would become a solid block
of ice before the bomb went off so his TOD has a variance of time between
when became a solid chunk of ice and the time of instant defrosting. This
could be 30 to 60 seconds. Totally un-acceptable accuracy for even the
cadet grade newbe time-nut ;)
Why, anyone accepting such an error would have to answer to the Coca Cola
company distributor at Burpelson Air Force Base.
Carpay Diem, Carpell Tunnel-Whatever
Regards,
Perrier
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Steve Rooke - ZL3TUV & G8KVD
The only reason for time is so that everything doesn't happen at once.
- Einstein
Arnold,
I agree completely ! This is really getting out of hand with no end in sight.
Bill....WB6BNQ
Arnold Tibus wrote:
Fellow time nut(s),
isn't this not going too far, going to be disgusting and perhaps
wounding feelings?
No better things in mind? Could we stop this and come back to the
roots,talk and discuss about real physical and technical time concerning
points instead? It's not everybody's humor to philosophize about wars,
H-bombs, Electric Chairs etc. and what is the effective way to kill life
faster...
This is my opinion and perhaps I am not alone. Am I wrong?
Regards,
Arnold
Am 28.10.2010 02:47, schrieb William H. Fite:
Mein Fuhrer, I can valk...er...I can time.
On Wed, Oct 27, 2010 at 6:51 PM, Perry Sandeen sandeenpa@yahoo.com wrote:
Gents,
Wrote: < If you want a sub-microsecond time of death, sit on a bomb like
Major T. J. "King" Kong in "Dr. Strangelove," and get your friends to time
and triangulate the prompt radiation. That should be good to a few 10's of
nanoseconds.
Absolutely Not So!
The H-Bombs are slowed by parachutes so the bomber can get away. The
outside temperature for a B-52 at operating altitude over Russia would
likely be at least minus 60 degrees F.
Major T, since he was wearing an indoor uniform, would become a solid block
of ice before the bomb went off so his TOD has a variance of time between
when became a solid chunk of ice and the time of instant defrosting. This
could be 30 to 60 seconds. Totally un-acceptable accuracy for even the
cadet grade newbe time-nut ;)
Why, anyone accepting such an error would have to answer to the Coca Cola
company distributor at Burpelson Air Force Base.
Carpay Diem, Carpell Tunnel-Whatever
Regards,
Perrier
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Hi
I'm with Arnold.
Bob
On Oct 28, 2010, at 5:19 AM, Arnold Tibus wrote:
Fellow time nut(s),
isn't this not going too far, going to be disgusting and perhaps
wounding feelings?
No better things in mind? Could we stop this and come back to the
roots,talk and discuss about real physical and technical time concerning
points instead? It's not everybody's humor to philosophize about wars,
H-bombs, Electric Chairs etc. and what is the effective way to kill life
faster...
This is my opinion and perhaps I am not alone. Am I wrong?
Regards,
Arnold
Am 28.10.2010 02:47, schrieb William H. Fite:
Mein Fuhrer, I can valk...er...I can time.
On Wed, Oct 27, 2010 at 6:51 PM, Perry Sandeen sandeenpa@yahoo.com wrote:
Gents,
Wrote: < If you want a sub-microsecond time of death, sit on a bomb like
Major T. J. "King" Kong in "Dr. Strangelove," and get your friends to time
and triangulate the prompt radiation. That should be good to a few 10's of
nanoseconds.
Absolutely Not So!
The H-Bombs are slowed by parachutes so the bomber can get away. The
outside temperature for a B-52 at operating altitude over Russia would
likely be at least minus 60 degrees F.
Major T, since he was wearing an indoor uniform, would become a solid block
of ice before the bomb went off so his TOD has a variance of time between
when became a solid chunk of ice and the time of instant defrosting. This
could be 30 to 60 seconds. Totally un-acceptable accuracy for even the
cadet grade newbe time-nut ;)
Why, anyone accepting such an error would have to answer to the Coca Cola
company distributor at Burpelson Air Force Base.
Carpay Diem, Carpell Tunnel-Whatever
Regards,
Perrier
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Steve Rooke wrote:
One thing we should bear in mind that our tombstone timestamp should
have things like the timezone, and calendar in use, references, such
that future people can determine the exact point in time of our death.
In fact, basing the timestamp on some true reference point would
better than about 2000 years after some event happened on earth as
archaeologists from other words coming to the Earth in the future
would be left to figure out this arbitrary time event. I would propose
that we relate the year portion (which is the LSB and most important)
to some celestial event thereby making it possible to document this
easily for future life-forms to determine. The whole year/date thing
really should be made secular as there is no place for religion in the
governance of society.
Steve
Is this not the same problem we all face when specifying an absolute
time? Is it TAI? GPS? UTC? etc.
And, then, if you are moving, the local time offsettime relative to
some reference might be different at different times.
I think this is a sort of relativity question, isn't it? That is, you
just have to pick some place/time, and reference everything else to
that. So which astronomical event do you want use as your reference
(e.g. a T=0 epoch)and is it sufficiently well determined that you can
figure it out later? It's all well and good, for instance, to use noon
on January 1st, 1900 or something as your time zero, but that's hardly a
universally available reference point.
On Oct 28, 2010, at 9:30 AM, jimlux wrote:
Steve Rooke wrote:
One thing we should bear in mind that our tombstone timestamp should
have things like the timezone, and calendar in use, references, such
that future people can determine the exact point in time of our death.
In fact, basing the timestamp on some true reference point would
better than about 2000 years after some event happened on earth as
archaeologists from other words coming to the Earth in the future
would be left to figure out this arbitrary time event. I would propose
that we relate the year portion (which is the LSB and most important)
to some celestial event thereby making it possible to document this
easily for future life-forms to determine. The whole year/date thing
really should be made secular as there is no place for religion in the
governance of society.
Steve
Is this not the same problem we all face when specifying an absolute time? Is it TAI? GPS? UTC? etc.
And, then, if you are moving, the local time offsettime relative to some reference might be different at different times.
I think this is a sort of relativity question, isn't it? That is, you just have to pick some place/time, and reference everything else to that. So which astronomical event do you want use as your reference (e.g. a T=0 epoch)and is it sufficiently well determined that you can figure it out later? It's all well and good, for instance, to use noon on January 1st, 1900 or something as your time zero, but that's hardly a universally available reference point.
Pulsar timing. List 20 or so millisecond pulsars with their current period (don't forget to include information on the definition of the second!) and their spin down rate, and you should be able to time things for some millions of years (to some level). This was the technique used in the Voyager Golden Record, except we didn't know about millisecond pulsars back then.
I would also include the spin axis offsets and rotational period of the Earth and Mars, which would also be useful and would make future
geophysicists happy.
Regards
Marshall
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