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Jeff Wright

Sun, Apr 16, 2006 4:28 AM

Question: If you were planning to have a boat built in the 40 foot range,
would you specify two 30 amp outlets or a 50 amp system. Why?

Jeff Wright

Treasure Island FL

Question: If you were planning to have a boat built in the 40 foot range, would you specify two 30 amp outlets or a 50 amp system. Why? Jeff Wright Treasure Island FL

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Walter Konieczko

Sun, Apr 16, 2006 9:36 AM

I would spec 2 30's.

10 more amps, and the 2 power cords will be about 1/4 of the price when it
is time to replace them.

Walt Konieczko
Annie Sez Too
34 Marine Trader
Lanoka Harbor, NJ

----- Original Message -----

Question: If you were planning to have a boat built in the 40 foot range,
would you specify two 30 amp outlets or a 50 amp system. Why?

I would spec 2 30's. 10 more amps, and the 2 power cords will be about 1/4 of the price when it is time to replace them. Walt Konieczko Annie Sez Too 34 Marine Trader Lanoka Harbor, NJ ----- Original Message ----- > Question: If you were planning to have a boat built in the 40 foot range, > would you specify two 30 amp outlets or a 50 amp system. Why?

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Lee Licata

Sun, Apr 16, 2006 10:18 AM

Jeff,

for me, this length is the edge.

I would do 250 VAC / 50 amp service if I had AC and an electric dryer
and I did not want to have to be concerned about split circuits.

But, you may want to consider a boat with a DC generator, batteries,
inverters to run all the AC you need, and a battery charger that may
need only 1 30 amp cord.

Then, no matter where you are, and where you go, your AC needs could
be met by as little as 120 VAC, 15 amps.

Lee
Ankara

On Apr 16, 2006, at 07:28, Jeff Wright wrote:

Question: If you were planning to have a boat built in the 40 foot
range, would you specify two 30 amp outlets or a 50 amp system. Why?

Jeff Wright

Treasure Island FL

Jeff, for me, this length is the edge. I would do 250 VAC / 50 amp service if I had AC and an electric dryer and I did not want to have to be concerned about split circuits. But, you may want to consider a boat with a DC generator, batteries, inverters to run all the AC you need, and a battery charger that may need only 1 30 amp cord. Then, no matter where you are, and where you go, your AC needs could be met by as little as 120 VAC, 15 amps. Lee Ankara On Apr 16, 2006, at 07:28, Jeff Wright wrote: Question: If you were planning to have a boat built in the 40 foot range, would you specify two 30 amp outlets or a 50 amp system. Why? Jeff Wright Treasure Island FL

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george

Sun, Apr 16, 2006 11:33 AM

....and eliminating the requirement for fighting with a 50' Anaconda....

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From: "Walter Konieczko" annieseztoo@msn.com
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Sent: Sunday, April 16, 2006 5:36 AM
Subject: Re: T&T: 30 vs 50 amp service

I would spec 2 30's.

10 more amps, and the 2 power cords will be about 1/4 of the price when it
is time to replace them.

Walt Konieczko
Annie Sez Too
34 Marine Trader
Lanoka Harbor, NJ

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Question: If you were planning to have a boat built in the 40 foot range,
would you specify two 30 amp outlets or a 50 amp system. Why?

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....and eliminating the requirement for fighting with a 50' Anaconda.... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Walter Konieczko" <annieseztoo@msn.com> To: "trawler world list post" <trawlers-and-trawlering@lists.samurai.com> Sent: Sunday, April 16, 2006 5:36 AM Subject: Re: T&T: 30 vs 50 amp service >I would spec 2 30's. > > 10 more amps, and the 2 power cords will be about 1/4 of the price when it > is time to replace them. > > Walt Konieczko > Annie Sez Too > 34 Marine Trader > Lanoka Harbor, NJ > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > >> Question: If you were planning to have a boat built in the 40 foot range, >> would you specify two 30 amp outlets or a 50 amp system. Why? > _______________________________________________ > http://lists.samurai.com/mailman/listinfo/trawlers-and-trawlering > > To unsubscribe send email to > trawlers-and-trawlering-request@lists.samurai.com with the word > UNSUBSCRIBE and nothing else in the subject or body of the message. > > Trawlers & Trawlering and T&T are trademarks of Water World > Productions. Unauthorized use is prohibited.

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Keith

Sun, Apr 16, 2006 11:52 AM

Two 30's. Set one leg as the "priority" system, which will run whatever you
deem most important, usually refrigeration, battery chargers, etc. and the
other for other things. It's easier (read CHEAPER) to get a 50 amp to two-30
amp splitter than a reverse Y connector to connect two 30's to a 50. I've
had both setups and as long as you don't mind dealing with two cords, the
double 30 is cheaper and more efficient. My last boat used a single 50
because it had a glendinning cable master to wind it up into the boat. As
always, there is a price to pay for the convenience. I had to get a 50 amp
extension cord... about $500 vs. MUCH cheaper for a couple of 30 amp cords.
Also, that reverse Y connector is close to $400, last I looked.

I would also specify switching so that you could energize both sides from
either cord, in case you only had one hooked up but wanted outlets, etc. to
all work. You'd have to manage your own use in that scenario, since you
couldn't run all the high amperage stuff, but at least you could choose
without having to set up a 30 amp splitter or move the cords from one inlet
to the other.

Keith

Why does a round pizza come in a square box?
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jeff Wright" jkwright@msn.com

Question: If you were planning to have a boat built in the 40 foot range,
would you specify two 30 amp outlets or a 50 amp system. Why?

Two 30's. Set one leg as the "priority" system, which will run whatever you deem most important, usually refrigeration, battery chargers, etc. and the other for other things. It's easier (read CHEAPER) to get a 50 amp to two-30 amp splitter than a reverse Y connector to connect two 30's to a 50. I've had both setups and as long as you don't mind dealing with two cords, the double 30 is cheaper and more efficient. My last boat used a single 50 because it had a glendinning cable master to wind it up into the boat. As always, there is a price to pay for the convenience. I had to get a 50 amp extension cord... about $500 vs. MUCH cheaper for a couple of 30 amp cords. Also, that reverse Y connector is close to $400, last I looked. I would also specify switching so that you could energize both sides from either cord, in case you only had one hooked up but wanted outlets, etc. to all work. You'd have to manage your own use in that scenario, since you couldn't run all the high amperage stuff, but at least you could choose without having to set up a 30 amp splitter or move the cords from one inlet to the other. Keith _____ Why does a round pizza come in a square box? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeff Wright" <jkwright@msn.com> > Question: If you were planning to have a boat built in the 40 foot range, > would you specify two 30 amp outlets or a 50 amp system. Why?

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trawlerphil

Sun, Apr 16, 2006 1:37 PM

(SNIP) Question: If you were planning to have a boat built in the 40 foot
range, would you specify two 30 amp outlets or a 50 amp system. Why?

A lot depends on where you will use it and your personal cruising style.
I've never had A/C on a boat for example and I'm a propane cook stove and
on-demand propane hot water fan so a single 30 AMP does well for me. If you
plan to be a marina dweller, I'd add a second 30AMP for A/C units and pick
up a 50 to (2) 30 splitter.

                                      Regards....

Phil Rosch
Old Harbor Consulting
M/V "Curmudgeon" MT44 TC
Currently lying Bond Creek, NC

(SNIP) Question: If you were planning to have a boat built in the 40 foot range, would you specify two 30 amp outlets or a 50 amp system. Why? A lot depends on where you will use it and your personal cruising style. I've never had A/C on a boat for example and I'm a propane cook stove and on-demand propane hot water fan so a single 30 AMP does well for me. If you plan to be a marina dweller, I'd add a second 30AMP for A/C units and pick up a 50 to (2) 30 splitter. Regards.... Phil Rosch Old Harbor Consulting M/V "Curmudgeon" MT44 TC Currently lying Bond Creek, NC

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Pascal Gademer

Sun, Apr 16, 2006 1:42 PM

depends where you 'll be cruising. I prefer the convenience of a single
220/50 shore power cord (single cord, just one connection) but i understand
that in some areas (PNW, Great lakes, ???) 220/50 is harder to find,
forcing you to use adpaters.

Or ... just get both! that's the way my boat is set up, I have 220/50 and a
pair of 30amp, with a rotary selector.

pascal
miami, fl
70 hatteras 53my

----- Original Message -----
From: "Jeff Wright" jkwright@msn.com
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Sent: Sunday, April 16, 2006 12:28 AM
Subject: T&T: 30 vs 50 amp service

Question: If you were planning to have a boat built in the 40 foot range,
would you specify two 30 amp outlets or a 50 amp system. Why?

Jeff Wright

Treasure Island FL

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depends where you 'll be cruising. I prefer the convenience of a single 220/50 shore power cord (single cord, just one connection) but i understand that in some areas (PNW, Great lakes, ???) 220/50 is harder to find, forcing you to use adpaters. Or ... just get both! that's the way my boat is set up, I have 220/50 and a pair of 30amp, with a rotary selector. pascal miami, fl 70 hatteras 53my ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeff Wright" <jkwright@msn.com> To: <trawlers-and-trawlering@lists.samurai.com> Sent: Sunday, April 16, 2006 12:28 AM Subject: T&T: 30 vs 50 amp service > Question: If you were planning to have a boat built in the 40 foot range, > would you specify two 30 amp outlets or a 50 amp system. Why? > > > > Jeff Wright > > Treasure Island FL > _______________________________________________ > http://lists.samurai.com/mailman/listinfo/trawlers-and-trawlering > > To unsubscribe send email to > trawlers-and-trawlering-request@lists.samurai.com with the word > UNSUBSCRIBE and nothing else in the subject or body of the message. > > Trawlers & Trawlering and T&T are trademarks of Water World > Productions. Unauthorized use is prohibited.

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Mark Richter

Sun, Apr 16, 2006 4:26 PM

Jeff,
Two 30's. The usual setup with these is that one cord powers the Air
Conditioning. The other cord powers everything else. Some boats have
switches to allow one cord to power everything in the boat, with judicious
power management.

1). Many smaller, older, or out of the way marinas have no 50 amp service.
Adapters cost $.
2). 30 amp power cords cost 12% of the cost of 50 amp cords.
3). 50 amp cords are heavy and stiff, hard to handle and difficult to
store.

Mark Richter, m/v Winnie the Pooh
Mark's Mobile Marine, Electrical installations and repairs.

Jeff, Two 30's. The usual setup with these is that one cord powers the Air Conditioning. The other cord powers everything else. Some boats have switches to allow one cord to power everything in the boat, with judicious power management. 1). Many smaller, older, or out of the way marinas have no 50 amp service. Adapters cost $. 2). 30 amp power cords cost 12% of the cost of 50 amp cords. 3). 50 amp cords are heavy and stiff, hard to handle and difficult to store. Mark Richter, m/v Winnie the Pooh Mark's Mobile Marine, Electrical installations and repairs.

AJ

Arild Jensen

Sun, Apr 16, 2006 6:40 PM

Jeff Wright's question as to whether to go with twin 30A or one 50A shore
cord highlights the fact the boating community is often divided by one great
big difference. Air Conditioning.

In the latest Passagemener April issue Steve Dashews boat is featured.
What is particularly noteworthy is the fact The Dashews do not run air
conditioning for most of the time.
Instead they rely on passive methods such as cross ventilation and shade
awnings.

Not having to rely on massive amounts of electrical power for A/C is
definitely an asset worth considering.
It offers you the freedom of using slips with little or no electrical power
or perhaps a dock with limited 15A, 20A, or 25A, service.

Cheers
Arild

Jeff Wright's question as to whether to go with twin 30A or one 50A shore cord highlights the fact the boating community is often divided by one great big difference. Air Conditioning. In the latest Passagemener April issue Steve Dashews boat is featured. What is particularly noteworthy is the fact The Dashews do not run air conditioning for most of the time. Instead they rely on passive methods such as cross ventilation and shade awnings. Not having to rely on massive amounts of electrical power for A/C is definitely an asset worth considering. It offers you the freedom of using slips with little or no electrical power or perhaps a dock with limited 15A, 20A, or 25A, service. Cheers Arild

DC

Dave Cooper

Sun, Apr 16, 2006 7:25 PM

Arild wrote:
Not having to rely on massive amounts of electrical power for A/C is
definitely an asset worth considering.

Gee, having a boat that needs heat is the other side of the coin ;-)
I think if one is re-wiring or have a new boat built they should consider
where that boat might go in the long term, warm and/or cold water. Not
having Aircon in some areas makes a boat very unwelcome to many people. Same
as not having heat when the high is 45f.
No amount of "passive air or shade" helps when the water temp is 90 and the
air temp at 100!

I say put in 2 30's and make sure everything is 110-120 volts. This allows
you to run on almost any kind of line as long as you load manage your amps
to that available from the socket.

Cheers
Dave & Nancy
Swan Song
Roughwater 58
Tortola, BVI

Arild wrote: Not having to rely on massive amounts of electrical power for A/C is definitely an asset worth considering. Gee, having a boat that needs heat is the other side of the coin ;-) I think if one is re-wiring or have a new boat built they should consider where that boat might go in the long term, warm and/or cold water. Not having Aircon in some areas makes a boat very unwelcome to many people. Same as not having heat when the high is 45f. No amount of "passive air or shade" helps when the water temp is 90 and the air temp at 100! I say put in 2 30's and make sure everything is 110-120 volts. This allows you to run on almost any kind of line as long as you load manage your amps to that available from the socket. Cheers Dave & Nancy Swan Song Roughwater 58 Tortola, BVI

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