JR
Jason Rabel
Mon, Jun 27, 2011 8:38 PM
Will & Bill,
Our (commercial) three phase power is fed by only two high-voltage wires (7,200v I think) which each pole has a pair of
transformers. I can only assume one generates the 220v single phase lines and the other is the high-leg delta. Around here 230v
three phase delta seems to be more common than 208v Y style.
I remember a couple years ago we had a transformer die (thankfully it was a passive failure and not a massive fireball on the pole).
People were wondering why their machines weren't working (but the lights were on)... Sure enough hooking up a meter and the high leg
was dead...
I did read somewhere that this change might have an effect on demand meters? There was no further explanation unfortunately, but
that does kind of worry me as I know about 90% of the meters on our property are that style. The power company just loves to tack on
a "demand charge" to the bill, which can often double, or triple the cost of your electric... Just because you want to have the
lights on, A/C running, and an air-compressor... :(
I've never seen or heard of anyone here in Houston with three phase residential (except for farmers, but I guess they are
commercial).
Centerpoint Energy has reached the epitome of laziness and is converting everyone over to "smart meters" so people can better
monitor their usage... In reality it does nothing more than offer real-time monitoring for the power company, and they no longer
have a use for meter-readers...
Will & Bill,
Our (commercial) three phase power is fed by only two high-voltage wires (7,200v I think) which each pole has a pair of
transformers. I can only assume one generates the 220v single phase lines and the other is the high-leg delta. Around here 230v
three phase delta seems to be more common than 208v Y style.
I remember a couple years ago we had a transformer die (thankfully it was a passive failure and not a massive fireball on the pole).
People were wondering why their machines weren't working (but the lights were on)... Sure enough hooking up a meter and the high leg
was dead...
I did read somewhere that this change might have an effect on demand meters? There was no further explanation unfortunately, but
that does kind of worry me as I know about 90% of the meters on our property are that style. The power company just loves to tack on
a "demand charge" to the bill, which can often double, or triple the cost of your electric... Just because you want to have the
lights on, A/C running, and an air-compressor... :(
I've never seen or heard of anyone here in Houston with three phase residential (except for farmers, but I guess they are
commercial).
Centerpoint Energy has reached the epitome of laziness and is converting everyone over to "smart meters" so people can better
monitor their usage... In reality it does nothing more than offer real-time monitoring for the power company, and they no longer
have a use for meter-readers...
WM
Will Matney
Mon, Jun 27, 2011 9:03 PM
Jason,
I've read some about the new meters, but AEP hasn't touched any of
ours...yet. They have demand monitoring here too, and you are correct, it
can really rack up a power bill. A good friend that owns a machine shop
watches his all the time. Once you get three phase power, the costs
skyrocket, as they bill you for all kinds of things. That was why I made
the decision of using a phase converter that time, and buying all of my
machinery with 230 Vac motors, though some were dual voltage.
Without really setting down and looking at the circuitry on the new meters,
its hard to say what might happen, as I was speculating earlier. The last
PDF I read, was about the circuits they added to stop folks from bypassing
them, or stealing the electricity. I think that it was Analog Devices who
were making the IC's for these, but I may be wrong. There was 2-3 app notes
I read, as I was interested in seeing how they did it.
You are also right, in that they will do away with the meter readers. If I
recall, I read that they use a radio link to send the info back to the
office, or something similar.
Best,
Will
*********** REPLY SEPARATOR ***********
On 6/27/2011 at 3:38 PM Jason Rabel wrote:
Will & Bill,
Our (commercial) three phase power is fed by only two high-voltage wires
(7,200v I think) which each pole has a pair of
transformers. I can only assume one generates the 220v single phase lines
and the other is the high-leg delta. Around here 230v
three phase delta seems to be more common than 208v Y style.
I remember a couple years ago we had a transformer die (thankfully it was
a passive failure and not a massive fireball on the pole).
People were wondering why their machines weren't working (but the lights
were on)... Sure enough hooking up a meter and the high leg
was dead...
I did read somewhere that this change might have an effect on demand
meters? There was no further explanation unfortunately, but
that does kind of worry me as I know about 90% of the meters on our
property are that style. The power company just loves to tack on
a "demand charge" to the bill, which can often double, or triple the cost
of your electric... Just because you want to have the
lights on, A/C running, and an air-compressor... :(
I've never seen or heard of anyone here in Houston with three phase
residential (except for farmers, but I guess they are
commercial).
Centerpoint Energy has reached the epitome of laziness and is converting
everyone over to "smart meters" so people can better
monitor their usage... In reality it does nothing more than offer
real-time monitoring for the power company, and they no longer
have a use for meter-readers...
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Jason,
I've read some about the new meters, but AEP hasn't touched any of
ours...yet. They have demand monitoring here too, and you are correct, it
can really rack up a power bill. A good friend that owns a machine shop
watches his all the time. Once you get three phase power, the costs
skyrocket, as they bill you for all kinds of things. That was why I made
the decision of using a phase converter that time, and buying all of my
machinery with 230 Vac motors, though some were dual voltage.
Without really setting down and looking at the circuitry on the new meters,
its hard to say what might happen, as I was speculating earlier. The last
PDF I read, was about the circuits they added to stop folks from bypassing
them, or stealing the electricity. I think that it was Analog Devices who
were making the IC's for these, but I may be wrong. There was 2-3 app notes
I read, as I was interested in seeing how they did it.
You are also right, in that they will do away with the meter readers. If I
recall, I read that they use a radio link to send the info back to the
office, or something similar.
Best,
Will
*********** REPLY SEPARATOR ***********
On 6/27/2011 at 3:38 PM Jason Rabel wrote:
>Will & Bill,
>
>Our (commercial) three phase power is fed by only two high-voltage wires
(7,200v I think) which each pole has a pair of
>transformers. I can only assume one generates the 220v single phase lines
and the other is the high-leg delta. Around here 230v
>three phase delta seems to be more common than 208v Y style.
>
>I remember a couple years ago we had a transformer die (thankfully it was
a passive failure and not a massive fireball on the pole).
>People were wondering why their machines weren't working (but the lights
were on)... Sure enough hooking up a meter and the high leg
>was dead...
>
>I did read somewhere that this change might have an effect on demand
meters? There was no further explanation unfortunately, but
>that does kind of worry me as I know about 90% of the meters on our
property are that style. The power company just loves to tack on
>a "demand charge" to the bill, which can often double, or triple the cost
of your electric... Just because you want to have the
>lights on, A/C running, and an air-compressor... :(
>
>I've never seen or heard of anyone here in Houston with three phase
residential (except for farmers, but I guess they are
>commercial).
>
>Centerpoint Energy has reached the epitome of laziness and is converting
everyone over to "smart meters" so people can better
>monitor their usage... In reality it does nothing more than offer
real-time monitoring for the power company, and they no longer
>have a use for meter-readers...
>
>
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WM
Will Matney
Mon, Jun 27, 2011 9:39 PM
It wasn't Analog Devices, like I thought, but Teridian Semi, and division
of Maxim, who makes the chips. The part number in question was a 71M6511.
The app note is 4889.pdf from Maxim.
Best,
Will
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On 6/27/2011 at 5:03 PM Will Matney wrote:
Jason,
I've read some about the new meters, but AEP hasn't touched any of
ours...yet. They have demand monitoring here too, and you are correct, it
can really rack up a power bill. A good friend that owns a machine shop
watches his all the time. Once you get three phase power, the costs
skyrocket, as they bill you for all kinds of things. That was why I made
the decision of using a phase converter that time, and buying all of my
machinery with 230 Vac motors, though some were dual voltage.
Without really setting down and looking at the circuitry on the new
its hard to say what might happen, as I was speculating earlier. The last
PDF I read, was about the circuits they added to stop folks from bypassing
them, or stealing the electricity. I think that it was Analog Devices who
were making the IC's for these, but I may be wrong. There was 2-3 app
I read, as I was interested in seeing how they did it.
You are also right, in that they will do away with the meter readers. If I
recall, I read that they use a radio link to send the info back to the
office, or something similar.
Best,
Will
*********** REPLY SEPARATOR ***********
On 6/27/2011 at 3:38 PM Jason Rabel wrote:
Will & Bill,
Our (commercial) three phase power is fed by only two high-voltage wires
(7,200v I think) which each pole has a pair of
transformers. I can only assume one generates the 220v single phase lines
and the other is the high-leg delta. Around here 230v
three phase delta seems to be more common than 208v Y style.
I remember a couple years ago we had a transformer die (thankfully it was
a passive failure and not a massive fireball on the pole).
People were wondering why their machines weren't working (but the lights
were on)... Sure enough hooking up a meter and the high leg
was dead...
I did read somewhere that this change might have an effect on demand
meters? There was no further explanation unfortunately, but
that does kind of worry me as I know about 90% of the meters on our
property are that style. The power company just loves to tack on
a "demand charge" to the bill, which can often double, or triple the cost
of your electric... Just because you want to have the
lights on, A/C running, and an air-compressor... :(
I've never seen or heard of anyone here in Houston with three phase
residential (except for farmers, but I guess they are
commercial).
Centerpoint Energy has reached the epitome of laziness and is converting
everyone over to "smart meters" so people can better
monitor their usage... In reality it does nothing more than offer
real-time monitoring for the power company, and they no longer
have a use for meter-readers...
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It wasn't Analog Devices, like I thought, but Teridian Semi, and division
of Maxim, who makes the chips. The part number in question was a 71M6511.
The app note is 4889.pdf from Maxim.
Best,
Will
*********** REPLY SEPARATOR ***********
On 6/27/2011 at 5:03 PM Will Matney wrote:
>Jason,
>
>I've read some about the new meters, but AEP hasn't touched any of
>ours...yet. They have demand monitoring here too, and you are correct, it
>can really rack up a power bill. A good friend that owns a machine shop
>watches his all the time. Once you get three phase power, the costs
>skyrocket, as they bill you for all kinds of things. That was why I made
>the decision of using a phase converter that time, and buying all of my
>machinery with 230 Vac motors, though some were dual voltage.
>
>Without really setting down and looking at the circuitry on the new
meters,
>its hard to say what might happen, as I was speculating earlier. The last
>PDF I read, was about the circuits they added to stop folks from bypassing
>them, or stealing the electricity. I think that it was Analog Devices who
>were making the IC's for these, but I may be wrong. There was 2-3 app
notes
>I read, as I was interested in seeing how they did it.
>
>You are also right, in that they will do away with the meter readers. If I
>recall, I read that they use a radio link to send the info back to the
>office, or something similar.
>
>Best,
>
>Will
>
>*********** REPLY SEPARATOR ***********
>
>On 6/27/2011 at 3:38 PM Jason Rabel wrote:
>
>>Will & Bill,
>>
>>Our (commercial) three phase power is fed by only two high-voltage wires
>(7,200v I think) which each pole has a pair of
>>transformers. I can only assume one generates the 220v single phase lines
>and the other is the high-leg delta. Around here 230v
>>three phase delta seems to be more common than 208v Y style.
>>
>>I remember a couple years ago we had a transformer die (thankfully it was
>a passive failure and not a massive fireball on the pole).
>>People were wondering why their machines weren't working (but the lights
>were on)... Sure enough hooking up a meter and the high leg
>>was dead...
>>
>>I did read somewhere that this change might have an effect on demand
>meters? There was no further explanation unfortunately, but
>>that does kind of worry me as I know about 90% of the meters on our
>property are that style. The power company just loves to tack on
>>a "demand charge" to the bill, which can often double, or triple the cost
>of your electric... Just because you want to have the
>>lights on, A/C running, and an air-compressor... :(
>>
>>I've never seen or heard of anyone here in Houston with three phase
>residential (except for farmers, but I guess they are
>>commercial).
>>
>>Centerpoint Energy has reached the epitome of laziness and is converting
>everyone over to "smart meters" so people can better
>>monitor their usage... In reality it does nothing more than offer
>real-time monitoring for the power company, and they no longer
>>have a use for meter-readers...
>>
>>
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Kasper Pedersen
Mon, Jun 27, 2011 9:48 PM
On 06/27/2011 10:38 PM, Jason Rabel wrote:
Centerpoint Energy has reached the epitome of laziness and is converting everyone over to "smart meters" so people can better
monitor their usage... In reality it does nothing more than offer real-time monitoring for the power company, and they no longer
have a use for meter-readers...
If the communications to/from them is in the CENELEC A band (or
similar), one may have to go to great lengths in order to have
60..77.5kHz clocks/receivers working.
http://n1.taur.dk/dcf/tm.png
(scope)
http://n1.taur.dk/dcf/idleannot.png
(quiet)
http://n1.taur.dk/dcf/active.png
(active on the high channel in A band)
I am only 500km from DCF77 (Denmark), and since they replaced the meter
with a 'smart' one, none of the radio clocks have been able to sync.
Only the phase tracking receiver, having a noise blanker, still works.
So I do not like 'smart' meters.
/Kasper Pedersen
On 06/27/2011 10:38 PM, Jason Rabel wrote:
> Centerpoint Energy has reached the epitome of laziness and is converting everyone over to "smart meters" so people can better
> monitor their usage... In reality it does nothing more than offer real-time monitoring for the power company, and they no longer
> have a use for meter-readers...
>
If the communications to/from them is in the CENELEC A band (or
similar), one may have to go to great lengths in order to have
60..77.5kHz clocks/receivers working.
http://n1.taur.dk/dcf/tm.png
(scope)
http://n1.taur.dk/dcf/idleannot.png
(quiet)
http://n1.taur.dk/dcf/active.png
(active on the high channel in A band)
I am only 500km from DCF77 (Denmark), and since they replaced the meter
with a 'smart' one, none of the radio clocks have been able to sync.
Only the phase tracking receiver, having a noise blanker, still works.
So I do not like 'smart' meters.
/Kasper Pedersen
JF
J. Forster
Mon, Jun 27, 2011 9:49 PM
IMO, smart meters are a greased, very slippery, slope toward power
rationing or fines for "overconsumption"
YMMV,
-John
================
Centerpoint Energy has reached the epitome of laziness and is converting
everyone over to "smart meters" so people can better
monitor their usage... In reality it does nothing more than offer
real-time monitoring for the power company, and they no longer
have a use for meter-readers...
IMO, smart meters are a greased, very slippery, slope toward power
rationing or fines for "overconsumption"
YMMV,
-John
================
> Will & Bill,
[snip]
> Centerpoint Energy has reached the epitome of laziness and is converting
> everyone over to "smart meters" so people can better
> monitor their usage... In reality it does nothing more than offer
> real-time monitoring for the power company, and they no longer
> have a use for meter-readers...
BC
Brooke Clarke
Mon, Jun 27, 2011 9:54 PM
Hi John:
Yes.
In S. California there was a big investigation about their accuracy. It
turned out that they are better than the mechanical meters, BUT if time
of day metering is implemented along with the smart meter you power bill
can up by hundreds of percent.
Have Fun,
Brooke Clarke
http://www.PRC68.com
J. Forster wrote:
IMO, smart meters are a greased, very slippery, slope toward power
rationing or fines for "overconsumption"
YMMV,
-John
================
Centerpoint Energy has reached the epitome of laziness and is converting
everyone over to "smart meters" so people can better
monitor their usage... In reality it does nothing more than offer
real-time monitoring for the power company, and they no longer
have a use for meter-readers...
Hi John:
Yes.
In S. California there was a big investigation about their accuracy. It
turned out that they are better than the mechanical meters, BUT if time
of day metering is implemented along with the smart meter you power bill
can up by hundreds of percent.
Have Fun,
Brooke Clarke
http://www.PRC68.com
J. Forster wrote:
> IMO, smart meters are a greased, very slippery, slope toward power
> rationing or fines for "overconsumption"
>
> YMMV,
>
> -John
>
> ================
>
>
>
>> Will& Bill,
>>
> [snip]
>
>
>> Centerpoint Energy has reached the epitome of laziness and is converting
>> everyone over to "smart meters" so people can better
>> monitor their usage... In reality it does nothing more than offer
>> real-time monitoring for the power company, and they no longer
>> have a use for meter-readers...
>>
>
>
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Will Matney
Mon, Jun 27, 2011 10:02 PM
John,
Well, of course, that's so the fat cats, who are at the top at the
utilitites, and the stock holders, make more bucks without having to
upgrade the grid to do it. That's a prime example of Capitalism at work.
How was the old saying, they would "squeeze a nickel until the buffalo
s##ts".
Best,
Will
*********** REPLY SEPARATOR ***********
On 6/27/2011 at 2:49 PM J. Forster wrote:
IMO, smart meters are a greased, very slippery, slope toward power
rationing or fines for "overconsumption"
YMMV,
-John
================
Centerpoint Energy has reached the epitome of laziness and is converting
everyone over to "smart meters" so people can better
monitor their usage... In reality it does nothing more than offer
real-time monitoring for the power company, and they no longer
have a use for meter-readers...
and follow the instructions there.
__________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus
signature database 5851 (20110206) __________
John,
Well, of course, that's so the fat cats, who are at the top at the
utilitites, and the stock holders, make more bucks without having to
upgrade the grid to do it. That's a prime example of Capitalism at work.
How was the old saying, they would "squeeze a nickel until the buffalo
s##ts".
Best,
Will
*********** REPLY SEPARATOR ***********
On 6/27/2011 at 2:49 PM J. Forster wrote:
>IMO, smart meters are a greased, very slippery, slope toward power
>rationing or fines for "overconsumption"
>
>YMMV,
>
>-John
>
>================
>
>
>> Will & Bill,
>
>[snip]
>
>> Centerpoint Energy has reached the epitome of laziness and is converting
>> everyone over to "smart meters" so people can better
>> monitor their usage... In reality it does nothing more than offer
>> real-time monitoring for the power company, and they no longer
>> have a use for meter-readers...
>
>
>
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Will Matney
Mon, Jun 27, 2011 10:03 PM
I bet they'll drop estimating your bill too!
Best,
Will
*********** REPLY SEPARATOR ***********
On 6/27/2011 at 2:54 PM Brooke Clarke wrote:
Hi John:
Yes.
In S. California there was a big investigation about their accuracy. It
turned out that they are better than the mechanical meters, BUT if time
of day metering is implemented along with the smart meter you power bill
can up by hundreds of percent.
Have Fun,
Brooke Clarke
http://www.PRC68.com
J. Forster wrote:
IMO, smart meters are a greased, very slippery, slope toward power
rationing or fines for "overconsumption"
YMMV,
-John
================
Centerpoint Energy has reached the epitome of laziness and is
everyone over to "smart meters" so people can better
monitor their usage... In reality it does nothing more than offer
real-time monitoring for the power company, and they no longer
have a use for meter-readers...
and follow the instructions there.
and follow the instructions there.
__________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus
signature database 5851 (20110206) __________
I bet they'll drop estimating your bill too!
Best,
Will
*********** REPLY SEPARATOR ***********
On 6/27/2011 at 2:54 PM Brooke Clarke wrote:
>Hi John:
>
>Yes.
>
>In S. California there was a big investigation about their accuracy. It
>turned out that they are better than the mechanical meters, BUT if time
>of day metering is implemented along with the smart meter you power bill
>can up by hundreds of percent.
>
>Have Fun,
>
>Brooke Clarke
>http://www.PRC68.com
>
>
>J. Forster wrote:
>> IMO, smart meters are a greased, very slippery, slope toward power
>> rationing or fines for "overconsumption"
>>
>> YMMV,
>>
>> -John
>>
>> ================
>>
>>
>>
>>> Will& Bill,
>>>
>> [snip]
>>
>>
>>> Centerpoint Energy has reached the epitome of laziness and is
converting
>>> everyone over to "smart meters" so people can better
>>> monitor their usage... In reality it does nothing more than offer
>>> real-time monitoring for the power company, and they no longer
>>> have a use for meter-readers...
>>>
>>
>>
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J. Forster
Mon, Jun 27, 2011 10:18 PM
YThere are limits to corporate greed, as well as market feedback
mechanisms. Such constraints do npot apply to governments.
Suppose electricity went to $5/KWH:
If it were done by a utility, people would buy generators.
If it were legislated by government, generators could be outlawed.
YMMV,
-John
=================
John,
Well, of course, that's so the fat cats, who are at the top at the
utilitites, and the stock holders, make more bucks without having to
upgrade the grid to do it. That's a prime example of Capitalism at work.
How was the old saying, they would "squeeze a nickel until the buffalo
s##ts".
Best,
Will
*********** REPLY SEPARATOR ***********
On 6/27/2011 at 2:49 PM J. Forster wrote:
IMO, smart meters are a greased, very slippery, slope toward power
rationing or fines for "overconsumption"
YMMV,
-John
================
Centerpoint Energy has reached the epitome of laziness and is
converting
everyone over to "smart meters" so people can better
monitor their usage... In reality it does nothing more than offer
real-time monitoring for the power company, and they no longer
have a use for meter-readers...
and follow the instructions there.
__________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus
signature database 5851 (20110206) __________
YThere are limits to corporate greed, as well as market feedback
mechanisms. Such constraints do npot apply to governments.
Suppose electricity went to $5/KWH:
If it were done by a utility, people would buy generators.
If it were legislated by government, generators could be outlawed.
YMMV,
-John
=================
> John,
>
> Well, of course, that's so the fat cats, who are at the top at the
> utilitites, and the stock holders, make more bucks without having to
> upgrade the grid to do it. That's a prime example of Capitalism at work.
> How was the old saying, they would "squeeze a nickel until the buffalo
> s##ts".
>
> Best,
>
> Will
>
> *********** REPLY SEPARATOR ***********
>
> On 6/27/2011 at 2:49 PM J. Forster wrote:
>
>>IMO, smart meters are a greased, very slippery, slope toward power
>>rationing or fines for "overconsumption"
>>
>>YMMV,
>>
>>-John
>>
>>================
>>
>>
>>> Will & Bill,
>>
>>[snip]
>>
>>> Centerpoint Energy has reached the epitome of laziness and is
>>> converting
>>> everyone over to "smart meters" so people can better
>>> monitor their usage... In reality it does nothing more than offer
>>> real-time monitoring for the power company, and they no longer
>>> have a use for meter-readers...
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J. L. Trantham
Tue, Jun 28, 2011 2:05 AM
I really don't understand the 'over consumption' issue when it comes to
utilities. The production of electricity, in part, is related to load.
However, the cost of the generating plant, personnel involved in running the
operation, maintenance, etc., in other words, fixed costs, are the
substantial part. Therefore, the entity must have a sufficient revenue
stream to keep it operational.
If you cut utilization, you will have to raise the price of a Kw-Hr. If
enough people produce their own power, and stop utilizing the 'grid' for
power, the cost or 'grid power' will go up to the point that folks being
supported by the government will not be able to afford it. Therefore, in
order to keep electricity affordable, you need to use as much as possible so
the cost per Kw-Hr is as low as possible.
This analysis applies to any utility, phone, cable, power, water, etc.,
where the charge is on the basis of usage.
IMO
Joe
-----Original Message-----
From: time-nuts-bounces@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-bounces@febo.com] On
Behalf Of J. Forster
Sent: Monday, June 27, 2011 4:49 PM
To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement
Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Three Phase Power
IMO, smart meters are a greased, very slippery, slope toward power rationing
or fines for "overconsumption"
YMMV,
-John
================
Centerpoint Energy has reached the epitome of laziness and is
converting everyone over to "smart meters" so people can better
monitor their usage... In reality it does nothing more than offer
real-time monitoring for the power company, and they no longer have a
use for meter-readers...
I really don't understand the 'over consumption' issue when it comes to
utilities. The production of electricity, in part, is related to load.
However, the cost of the generating plant, personnel involved in running the
operation, maintenance, etc., in other words, fixed costs, are the
substantial part. Therefore, the entity must have a sufficient revenue
stream to keep it operational.
If you cut utilization, you will have to raise the price of a Kw-Hr. If
enough people produce their own power, and stop utilizing the 'grid' for
power, the cost or 'grid power' will go up to the point that folks being
supported by the government will not be able to afford it. Therefore, in
order to keep electricity affordable, you need to use as much as possible so
the cost per Kw-Hr is as low as possible.
This analysis applies to any utility, phone, cable, power, water, etc.,
where the charge is on the basis of usage.
IMO
Joe
-----Original Message-----
From: time-nuts-bounces@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-bounces@febo.com] On
Behalf Of J. Forster
Sent: Monday, June 27, 2011 4:49 PM
To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement
Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Three Phase Power
IMO, smart meters are a greased, very slippery, slope toward power rationing
or fines for "overconsumption"
YMMV,
-John
================
> Will & Bill,
[snip]
> Centerpoint Energy has reached the epitome of laziness and is
> converting everyone over to "smart meters" so people can better
> monitor their usage... In reality it does nothing more than offer
> real-time monitoring for the power company, and they no longer have a
> use for meter-readers...
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