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GandalfG8@aol.com

Wed, Jul 18, 2007 12:39 AM

In a message dated 17/07/2007 23:09:36 GMT Daylight Time,
randy@geodetics.com writes:

You should be able to restart the VP with the @@Cg command in the
"Additional Message Window" in WinOncore12. The total command string is:

@@Cg01<enter>.

Note that with the VP this must be done after every receiver default or
SelfTest.

You will also encounter trouble trying to run a lot of the more esoteric 8
channel messages that the VP supported. WinOncore12 has no idea about what
to do with these. Once again, Rick's software will come to the rescue.

Best regards,

Randy Warner
Senior Applications Engineer
Geodetics, Inc.

Thanks Randy

That saved the day.

It was one of those things that seem silly when you know but a real pain
when nothing wants to work.
The unit did come with some earlier DOS software and a while ago I booted up
the Dolch luggable, that I keep for the Z3801A and SatStat, and ran the DOS
GPS90 software but that was doing the same thing.

My problem???
The VP comand set document doesn't mention, or not that I can see anyway,
the need for that leading zero, so I was using @@Cg1.....and it don't like
that:-)

Considering the antenna is only propped up on a ground floor window sill for
now, and signal levels are on the low side, all is looking good, with a 10
degree mask angle it's seeing 10 or 11 satellites and so far tracking 3.

It turns out to be an early 8 channel, a B3 model, but as long as it has the
1PPS output, that should be ok for what I need.

Thanks too for the other information, I'll look out for a copy of TAC32 and
try that later.

regards

and thanks again

Nigel
GM8PZR

In a message dated 17/07/2007 23:09:36 GMT Daylight Time, randy@geodetics.com writes: You should be able to restart the VP with the @@Cg command in the "Additional Message Window" in WinOncore12. The total command string is: @@Cg01<enter>. Note that with the VP this must be done after every receiver default or SelfTest. ---------- You will also encounter trouble trying to run a lot of the more esoteric 8 channel messages that the VP supported. WinOncore12 has no idea about what to do with these. Once again, Rick's software will come to the rescue. Best regards, Randy Warner Senior Applications Engineer Geodetics, Inc. --------------------------- Thanks Randy That saved the day. It was one of those things that seem silly when you know but a real pain when nothing wants to work. The unit did come with some earlier DOS software and a while ago I booted up the Dolch luggable, that I keep for the Z3801A and SatStat, and ran the DOS GPS90 software but that was doing the same thing. My problem??? The VP comand set document doesn't mention, or not that I can see anyway, the need for that leading zero, so I was using @@Cg1.....and it don't like that:-) Considering the antenna is only propped up on a ground floor window sill for now, and signal levels are on the low side, all is looking good, with a 10 degree mask angle it's seeing 10 or 11 satellites and so far tracking 3. It turns out to be an early 8 channel, a B3 model, but as long as it has the 1PPS output, that should be ok for what I need. Thanks too for the other information, I'll look out for a copy of TAC32 and try that later. regards and thanks again Nigel GM8PZR

RW

Randy Warner

Wed, Jul 18, 2007 3:47 PM

Nigel,

Here is a link to a Motorola communications primer I wrote several years ago
when I worked at Synergy Systems:

http://www.synergy-gps.com/images/stories/ShopTalk/1oncore_serial_communicat
ions.pdf

I think a couple of the denizens of this list also have copies of most of my
old docs on their websites. Anybody out there????? I don't remember where
they are.

Randy Warner
Senior Applications Engineer
Geodetics, Inc.
858.729.0872

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In a message dated 17/07/2007 23:09:36 GMT Daylight Time,
randy@geodetics.com writes:

You should be able to restart the VP with the @@Cg command in the
"Additional Message Window" in WinOncore12. The total command string is:

@@Cg01<enter>.

Note that with the VP this must be done after every receiver default or
SelfTest.

You will also encounter trouble trying to run a lot of the more esoteric 8
channel messages that the VP supported. WinOncore12 has no idea about what
to do with these. Once again, Rick's software will come to the rescue.

Nigel, Here is a link to a Motorola communications primer I wrote several years ago when I worked at Synergy Systems: http://www.synergy-gps.com/images/stories/ShopTalk/1oncore_serial_communicat ions.pdf I think a couple of the denizens of this list also have copies of most of my old docs on their websites. Anybody out there????? I don't remember where they are. Randy Warner Senior Applications Engineer Geodetics, Inc. 858.729.0872 __________________________________________________________________ -----Original Message----- From: time-nuts-bounces@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-bounces@febo.com] On Behalf Of GandalfG8@aol.com Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2007 5:39 PM To: time-nuts@febo.com Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Oncore VP problem ); SAEximRunCond expanded to false Errors-To: time-nuts-bounces+randy=geodetics.com+randy=geodetics.com@febo.com In a message dated 17/07/2007 23:09:36 GMT Daylight Time, randy@geodetics.com writes: You should be able to restart the VP with the @@Cg command in the "Additional Message Window" in WinOncore12. The total command string is: @@Cg01<enter>. Note that with the VP this must be done after every receiver default or SelfTest. ---------- You will also encounter trouble trying to run a lot of the more esoteric 8 channel messages that the VP supported. WinOncore12 has no idea about what to do with these. Once again, Rick's software will come to the rescue. _________________________________________________________________

JR

Jason Rabel

Wed, Jul 18, 2007 4:53 PM

I put all the Oncore related files I have gathered up online a while back,
they can be found at:

http://www.rabel.org/archives/Motorola_Oncore/

Jason

I think a couple of the denizens of this list also have copies of most of

my

old docs on their websites. Anybody out there????? I don't remember where
they are.

I put all the Oncore related files I have gathered up online a while back, they can be found at: http://www.rabel.org/archives/Motorola_Oncore/ Jason > I think a couple of the denizens of this list also have copies of most of my > old docs on their websites. Anybody out there????? I don't remember where > they are.

RW

Randy Warner

Wed, Jul 18, 2007 6:47 PM

Jason,

While I am on the subject, I have some suggestions for the old docs on the
website:

Oncore_Users_Guide.zip: I would change the name to:

UT_GT_Oncore_Users_Guide.zip since this is really what it is. In some
documents it is also referred to as "TRM0003".

M12 Oncore Users Guide Supplement v1.1.pdf: This should be deleted or marked
as archive only. This doc was HORRIBLE. What Motorola tried to do was add a
supplement to the 8 channel UT_GT guide (TRM0003 above) instead of writing
an M12+ manual from scratch. As you can imagine, the confusion this caused
was catastrophic. 8 channel, 12 channel, etc. The M12 supported some of the
old 8 channel messages (but not all of them).

It was kind of like one of those Haynes or Chilton auto repair manuals that
tries to cover 6 models of cars built by a manufacturer over a 10 year
period. Unless you are intimately familiar with the car you are working on
already the manual can drive you crazy with a bunch of information that
doesn't apply to the model you are working on.

The "M12+UserGuide.pdf" that I wrote is the one to use.

Best regards,

Randy Warner
Senior Applications Engineer
Geodetics, Inc.
858.729.0872

-----Original Message-----
From: time-nuts-bounces@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-bounces@febo.com] On
Behalf Of Jason Rabel
Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2007 9:53 AM
To: 'Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement'
Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Oncore VP problem

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time-nuts-bounces+randy=geodetics.com+randy=geodetics.com@febo.com

I put all the Oncore related files I have gathered up online a while back,
they can be found at:

http://www.rabel.org/archives/Motorola_Oncore/

Jason

I think a couple of the denizens of this list also have copies of most of

my

old docs on their websites. Anybody out there????? I don't remember where
they are.

time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com
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Jason, While I am on the subject, I have some suggestions for the old docs on the website: Oncore_Users_Guide.zip: I would change the name to: UT_GT_Oncore_Users_Guide.zip since this is really what it is. In some documents it is also referred to as "TRM0003". M12 Oncore Users Guide Supplement v1.1.pdf: This should be deleted or marked as archive only. This doc was HORRIBLE. What Motorola tried to do was add a supplement to the 8 channel UT_GT guide (TRM0003 above) instead of writing an M12+ manual from scratch. As you can imagine, the confusion this caused was catastrophic. 8 channel, 12 channel, etc. The M12 supported some of the old 8 channel messages (but not all of them). It was kind of like one of those Haynes or Chilton auto repair manuals that tries to cover 6 models of cars built by a manufacturer over a 10 year period. Unless you are intimately familiar with the car you are working on already the manual can drive you crazy with a bunch of information that doesn't apply to the model you are working on. The "M12+UserGuide.pdf" that I wrote is the one to use. Best regards, Randy Warner Senior Applications Engineer Geodetics, Inc. 858.729.0872 __________________________________________________________________ -----Original Message----- From: time-nuts-bounces@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-bounces@febo.com] On Behalf Of Jason Rabel Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2007 9:53 AM To: 'Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement' Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Oncore VP problem ); SAEximRunCond expanded to false Errors-To: time-nuts-bounces+randy=geodetics.com+randy=geodetics.com@febo.com I put all the Oncore related files I have gathered up online a while back, they can be found at: http://www.rabel.org/archives/Motorola_Oncore/ Jason > I think a couple of the denizens of this list also have copies of most of my > old docs on their websites. Anybody out there????? I don't remember where > they are. _______________________________________________ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.

JR

Jason Rabel

Wed, Jul 18, 2007 8:26 PM

Thanks for the tips, I'll try to update the files one of these days. I
mostly just put up whatever I was able to scrounge from various websites &
archive.org before the files went missing forever.

Jason

Jason,

While I am on the subject, I have some suggestions for the old docs on the
website:

Oncore_Users_Guide.zip: I would change the name to:

UT_GT_Oncore_Users_Guide.zip since this is really what it is. In some
documents it is also referred to as "TRM0003".

M12 Oncore Users Guide Supplement v1.1.pdf: This should be deleted or

marked

as archive only. This doc was HORRIBLE. What Motorola tried to do was add a
supplement to the 8 channel UT_GT guide (TRM0003 above) instead of writing
an M12+ manual from scratch. As you can imagine, the confusion this caused
was catastrophic. 8 channel, 12 channel, etc. The M12 supported some of the
old 8 channel messages (but not all of them).

It was kind of like one of those Haynes or Chilton auto repair manuals that
tries to cover 6 models of cars built by a manufacturer over a 10 year
period. Unless you are intimately familiar with the car you are working on
already the manual can drive you crazy with a bunch of information that
doesn't apply to the model you are working on.

The "M12+UserGuide.pdf" that I wrote is the one to use.

Thanks for the tips, I'll try to update the files one of these days. I mostly just put up whatever I was able to scrounge from various websites & archive.org before the files went missing forever. Jason > Jason, > >While I am on the subject, I have some suggestions for the old docs on the >website: > >Oncore_Users_Guide.zip: I would change the name to: > >UT_GT_Oncore_Users_Guide.zip since this is really what it is. In some >documents it is also referred to as "TRM0003". > >M12 Oncore Users Guide Supplement v1.1.pdf: This should be deleted or marked >as archive only. This doc was HORRIBLE. What Motorola tried to do was add a >supplement to the 8 channel UT_GT guide (TRM0003 above) instead of writing >an M12+ manual from scratch. As you can imagine, the confusion this caused >was catastrophic. 8 channel, 12 channel, etc. The M12 supported some of the >old 8 channel messages (but not all of them). > >It was kind of like one of those Haynes or Chilton auto repair manuals that >tries to cover 6 models of cars built by a manufacturer over a 10 year >period. Unless you are intimately familiar with the car you are working on >already the manual can drive you crazy with a bunch of information that >doesn't apply to the model you are working on. > >The "M12+UserGuide.pdf" that I wrote is the one to use.

JR

James R. Gorr

Wed, Jul 18, 2007 10:30 PM

Looking for a manual for an Austron 2201A GPS
receiver.

Thanks! --Jamie

Fedora Core 4 Linux

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Stan

Wed, Jul 18, 2007 11:57 PM

Hello Jamie,

I looked at one on ebay recently. Talked with a former Austron salesman
and that unit was the original of all GPS receivers.
It had a special block downconverting front end and antenna, not just
amplified and filtered RF, as is common today.

Without the special front end it was a no bid for me.

Stan, W1LE Cape Cod FN41sr

James R. Gorr wrote:

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Looking for a manual for an Austron 2201A GPS
receiver.

Thanks! --Jamie

Fedora Core 4 Linux

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Hello Jamie, I looked at one on ebay recently. Talked with a former Austron salesman and that unit was the original of all GPS receivers. It had a special block downconverting front end and antenna, not just amplified and filtered RF, as is common today. Without the special front end it was a no bid for me. Stan, W1LE Cape Cod FN41sr James R. Gorr wrote: > ); SAEximRunCond expanded to false > Errors-To: time-nuts-bounces+stanw1le=verizon.net+stanw1le=verizon.net@febo.com > > > Looking for a manual for an Austron 2201A GPS > receiver. > > Thanks! --Jamie > > Fedora Core 4 Linux > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________Ready for the edge of your seat? > Check out tonight's top picks on Yahoo! TV. > http://tv.yahoo.com/ > > _______________________________________________ > time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com > To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts > and follow the instructions there. > >

RK

Rob Kimberley

Thu, Jul 19, 2007 7:25 AM

Jamie,

I believe I have one in the "store". Will take a look tonight when I get
back. May also be some of the module manuals. What plug-ins does it have?

Rob Kimberley

-----Original Message-----
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Behalf Of James R. Gorr
Sent: 18 July 2007 23:30
To: time-nuts@febo.com
Subject: [time-nuts] manual request: Austron 2201A

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Looking for a manual for an Austron 2201A GPS receiver.

Thanks! --Jamie

Fedora Core 4 Linux

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Jamie, I believe I have one in the "store". Will take a look tonight when I get back. May also be some of the module manuals. What plug-ins does it have? Rob Kimberley -----Original Message----- From: time-nuts-bounces@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-bounces@febo.com] On Behalf Of James R. Gorr Sent: 18 July 2007 23:30 To: time-nuts@febo.com Subject: [time-nuts] manual request: Austron 2201A ); SAEximRunCond expanded to false Errors-To: time-nuts-bounces+rk=timing-consultants.com+rk=timing-consultants.com@febo.c om Looking for a manual for an Austron 2201A GPS receiver. Thanks! --Jamie Fedora Core 4 Linux ____________________________________________________________________________ ________Ready for the edge of your seat? Check out tonight's top picks on Yahoo! TV. http://tv.yahoo.com/ _______________________________________________ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.

JR

James R. Gorr

Thu, Jul 19, 2007 2:27 PM

Thanks, Rob!

My unit has:
23411437-2 Time Code (IRIG-B)
23411900 Sine Output

I also have a 23412342 LORAN MODULE, not sure if it is
for this unit.

Thanks for checking.

Jamie

--- Rob Kimberley rk@timing-consultants.com wrote:

Jamie,

I believe I have one in the "store". Will take a
look tonight when I get
back. May also be some of the module manuals. What
plug-ins does it have?

Rob Kimberley

-----Original Message-----
From: time-nuts-bounces@febo.com
[mailto:time-nuts-bounces@febo.com] On
Behalf Of James R. Gorr
Sent: 18 July 2007 23:30
To: time-nuts@febo.com
Subject: [time-nuts] manual request: Austron 2201A

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time-nuts-bounces+rk=timing-consultants.com+rk=timing-consultants.com@febo.c

om

Looking for a manual for an Austron 2201A GPS
receiver.

Thanks! --Jamie

Building a website is a piece of cake. Yahoo! Small Business gives you all the tools to get online.
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Thanks, Rob! My unit has: 23411437-2 Time Code (IRIG-B) 23411900 Sine Output I also have a 23412342 LORAN MODULE, not sure if it is for this unit. Thanks for checking. Jamie --- Rob Kimberley <rk@timing-consultants.com> wrote: > Jamie, > > I believe I have one in the "store". Will take a > look tonight when I get > back. May also be some of the module manuals. What > plug-ins does it have? > > Rob Kimberley > > -----Original Message----- > From: time-nuts-bounces@febo.com > [mailto:time-nuts-bounces@febo.com] On > Behalf Of James R. Gorr > Sent: 18 July 2007 23:30 > To: time-nuts@febo.com > Subject: [time-nuts] manual request: Austron 2201A > > ); SAEximRunCond expanded to false > Errors-To: > time-nuts-bounces+rk=timing-consultants.com+rk=timing-consultants.com@febo.c > om > > > Looking for a manual for an Austron 2201A GPS > receiver. > > Thanks! --Jamie > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Building a website is a piece of cake. Yahoo! Small Business gives you all the tools to get online. http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/webhosting

RK

Rob Kimberley

Thu, Jul 19, 2007 4:09 PM

Hi Jamie,

Config sounds reasonable. The 2201A did have a LORAN-C assist module. Will
check through and let you know what I have. Will only ask that you cover any
postage charges on the package. Payment via PayPal works for me.

Rob

-----Original Message-----
From: time-nuts-bounces@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-bounces@febo.com] On
Behalf Of James R. Gorr
Sent: 19 July 2007 15:28
To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement
Subject: Re: [time-nuts] manual request: Austron 2201A

); SAEximRunCond expanded to false
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time-nuts-bounces+rk=timing-consultants.com+rk=timing-consultants.com@febo.c
om

Thanks, Rob!

My unit has:
23411437-2 Time Code (IRIG-B)
23411900 Sine Output

I also have a 23412342 LORAN MODULE, not sure if it is for this unit.

Thanks for checking.

Jamie

--- Rob Kimberley rk@timing-consultants.com wrote:

Jamie,

I believe I have one in the "store". Will take a look tonight when I
get back. May also be some of the module manuals. What plug-ins does
it have?

Rob Kimberley

-----Original Message-----
From: time-nuts-bounces@febo.com
[mailto:time-nuts-bounces@febo.com] On Behalf Of James R. Gorr
Sent: 18 July 2007 23:30
To: time-nuts@febo.com
Subject: [time-nuts] manual request: Austron 2201A

); SAEximRunCond expanded to false
Errors-To:

time-nuts-bounces+rk=timing-consultants.com+rk=timing-consultants.com@fe
time-nuts-bounces+bo.c

om

Looking for a manual for an Austron 2201A GPS receiver.

Thanks! --Jamie

Building a website is a piece of cake. Yahoo! Small Business gives you all
the tools to get online.
http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/webhosting

time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to
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Hi Jamie, Config sounds reasonable. The 2201A did have a LORAN-C assist module. Will check through and let you know what I have. Will only ask that you cover any postage charges on the package. Payment via PayPal works for me. Rob -----Original Message----- From: time-nuts-bounces@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-bounces@febo.com] On Behalf Of James R. Gorr Sent: 19 July 2007 15:28 To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement Subject: Re: [time-nuts] manual request: Austron 2201A ); SAEximRunCond expanded to false Errors-To: time-nuts-bounces+rk=timing-consultants.com+rk=timing-consultants.com@febo.c om Thanks, Rob! My unit has: 23411437-2 Time Code (IRIG-B) 23411900 Sine Output I also have a 23412342 LORAN MODULE, not sure if it is for this unit. Thanks for checking. Jamie --- Rob Kimberley <rk@timing-consultants.com> wrote: > Jamie, > > I believe I have one in the "store". Will take a look tonight when I > get back. May also be some of the module manuals. What plug-ins does > it have? > > Rob Kimberley > > -----Original Message----- > From: time-nuts-bounces@febo.com > [mailto:time-nuts-bounces@febo.com] On Behalf Of James R. Gorr > Sent: 18 July 2007 23:30 > To: time-nuts@febo.com > Subject: [time-nuts] manual request: Austron 2201A > > ); SAEximRunCond expanded to false > Errors-To: > time-nuts-bounces+rk=timing-consultants.com+rk=timing-consultants.com@fe time-nuts-bounces+bo.c > om > > > Looking for a manual for an Austron 2201A GPS receiver. > > Thanks! --Jamie > > ____________________________________________________________________________ ________ Building a website is a piece of cake. Yahoo! Small Business gives you all the tools to get online. http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/webhosting _______________________________________________ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.

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Re: [time-nuts] Oncore VP problem

Randy Warner Senior Applications Engineer Geodetics, Inc.

Randy Warner
Senior Applications Engineer
Geodetics, Inc.