Jamie,

Have checked and have the following 2201 manuals (note not 2201A)

Model 2201 Op & Maintenance manual P/N 12711946 REV A  (received from
Austron March '91)
2200/2201 Loran-C Assist Module Option P/N 12812503
2029A GPS Antenna P/N 12712553-2  REV A (received from Austron March '92)
2201 OCXO Option Module Manual P/N 12712281 REV A  (March '91)
2201 OCXO Option Module Manual P/N 12712122 REV A (March '91)

Let me know if you are interested and your mailing address.

Rob

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Thanks, Rob!

My unit has:
23411437-2 Time Code (IRIG-B)
23411900  Sine Output

I also have a 23412342 LORAN MODULE, not sure if it is for this unit.

Thanks for checking.

Jamie

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Hi Rob:

I have an Quantic Q5200 GPS receiver that needs a special down converting
antenna and have never seen one.  I've thought of making one, but don't have
enough information for the design.  Does the 2029A manual have a block diagram
or other design information?

The Q5200 sends both +15 Vdc power and a 11.114 MHz reference frequency up the
cable to the Antenna Module. The Antenna Module receives the satellite L1
frequency and down converts the signal to an IF of 153.028 MHz which is sent
down the cable to the receiver.  http://www.prc68.com/I/Q5200.shtml
But how is a mystery.

Have Fun,

Brooke Clarke
http://www.PRC68.com
http://www.precisionclock.com

Rob Kimberley wrote:

Hi Brooke,

Good to hear from you.

The Austron 2029A used 10 MHz LO and a 75.42MHz IF. Power was 15VDC at
175mA.

The manual I have is pretty thin - no schematics just a spec block diagram
and an installation guide. Will email you block diagram directly.

Rob

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Hi Rob:

I have an Quantic Q5200 GPS receiver that needs a special down converting
antenna and have never seen one.  I've thought of making one, but don't have
enough information for the design.  Does the 2029A manual have a block
diagram or other design information?

The Q5200 sends both +15 Vdc power and a 11.114 MHz reference frequency up
the cable to the Antenna Module. The Antenna Module receives the satellite
L1 frequency and down converts the signal to an IF of 153.028 MHz which is
sent down the cable to the receiver.  http://www.prc68.com/I/Q5200.shtml
But how is a mystery.

Have Fun,

Brooke Clarke
http://www.PRC68.com
http://www.precisionclock.com

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Hi Rob:

The Austron antenna is very straight forward.  A 10.0 MHz ref is sent up the
coax along with 15VDC.  The antenna multiplied by 50 and uses the 500 MHz to
drive a harmonic mixer thus subtracting 1500 MHz from L1 leaving 75 MHz to go
down the coax.  Simple and clean.

There must have been some special consideration that caused Quantic to use such
a strange scheme.

Have Fun,

Brooke Clarke
http://www.PRC68.com
http://www.precisionclock.com

Rob Kimberley wrote:

Hi Brooke,

I agree. When I looked at the Quantic numbers you gave me, I sort of hit a
mental block - not logical to me.

Meinberg's current GPS antenna has following characteristics

10 MHz LO
35.4 MHz IF
12V - 18VDC Power

http://www.meinberg.de/download/docs/manuals/english/gpsant.pdf

For more info.

Rob

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Hi Rob:

The Austron antenna is very straight forward.  A 10.0 MHz ref is sent up the
coax along with 15VDC.  The antenna multiplied by 50 and uses the 500 MHz to
drive a harmonic mixer thus subtracting 1500 MHz from L1 leaving 75 MHz to
go down the coax.  Simple and clean.

There must have been some special consideration that caused Quantic to use
such a strange scheme.

Have Fun,

Brooke Clarke
http://www.PRC68.com
http://www.precisionclock.com

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From: "Rob Kimberley" rk@timing-consultants.com
Subject: Re: [time-nuts] manual request: Austron 2201A
Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2007 21:40:32 +0100
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Hi Rob,

Lower cable damping at lower frequencies allows for longer cable runs. Very
handy when considering putting GPS receivers into underground telecom bunkers.
Fiber link is also a very good thing in those cases. Both is a must if you
want to play in that leage, and Meinberg wants that.

Now, If you look at the Zarlink GP2015 GPS Frontend chip you will find how
well it fits with this scheme. You apply 10 MHz to the chip, it PLL locks a
1,4 GHz VCO and mixes down with that (1575,42 - 1400 = 175,42 MHz), then it
goes for a filtering round and then comes back for the second mixer at a tenth
of the VCO frequency, i.e. 140 MHz (175,52 - 140 = 35,42 MHz) again goes out
for a filtering-round (through a SAW filter) and back in for a mixdown with
31,11 MHz (actually 280 / 9 MHz) producing a 4,309 MHz signal which is then
sampled at 5,714 MHz (actually 40 / 7 MHz) producing 1,405 MHz carrier
frequency in the 5,714 Msamples/s 2-bit datastream.

The Meinberg trick can be done by simply put one frontend chip in the antenna
and another in the receiver. Both is fed the same 10 MHz clock but you pick up
the signal after the 2nd mixdown stage and transport that IF over the cable
and then toss in it at that place in the receivers frontend. The AGC there will
automatically compensate for cable damping which happends around the 3rd
mixdown. The HF part of the frontend in the receiver it just kept as dead
functionality. Same goes for the 3rd stage in the antenna.

Fairly clean and simple.

Cheers,
Magnus

Hi,
Many of the Odetics SatSync receivers also used this scheme. I've had a
few of the receivers but never seen an antenna. Some were modified with
a Magellan OEM 5000 module and use a standard (12V) antenna.

Robert.

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Behalf Of Magnus Danielson
Sent: 20 July 2007 00:12
To: time-nuts@febo.com; rk@timing-consultants.com
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From: "Rob Kimberley" rk@timing-consultants.com
Subject: Re: [time-nuts] manual request: Austron 2201A
Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2007 21:40:32 +0100
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Hi Rob,

hit a

Lower cable damping at lower frequencies allows for longer cable runs.
Very
handy when considering putting GPS receivers into underground telecom
bunkers.
Fiber link is also a very good thing in those cases. Both is a must if
you
want to play in that leage, and Meinberg wants that.

Now, If you look at the Zarlink GP2015 GPS Frontend chip you will find
how
well it fits with this scheme. You apply 10 MHz to the chip, it PLL
locks a
1,4 GHz VCO and mixes down with that (1575,42 - 1400 = 175,42 MHz), then
it
goes for a filtering round and then comes back for the second mixer at a
tenth
of the VCO frequency, i.e. 140 MHz (175,52 - 140 = 35,42 MHz) again goes
out
for a filtering-round (through a SAW filter) and back in for a mixdown
with
31,11 MHz (actually 280 / 9 MHz) producing a 4,309 MHz signal which is
then
sampled at 5,714 MHz (actually 40 / 7 MHz) producing 1,405 MHz carrier
frequency in the 5,714 Msamples/s 2-bit datastream.

The Meinberg trick can be done by simply put one frontend chip in the
antenna
and another in the receiver. Both is fed the same 10 MHz clock but you
pick up
the signal after the 2nd mixdown stage and transport that IF over the
cable
and then toss in it at that place in the receivers frontend. The AGC
there will
automatically compensate for cable damping which happends around the 3rd
mixdown. The HF part of the frontend in the receiver it just kept as
dead
functionality. Same goes for the 3rd stage in the antenna.

Fairly clean and simple.

Cheers,
Magnus

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The Meinberg antenna should work with the SatSync, although not tried one
out.

Rob

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Hi,
Many of the Odetics SatSync receivers also used this scheme. I've had a few
of the receivers but never seen an antenna. Some were modified with a
Magellan OEM 5000 module and use a standard (12V) antenna.

Robert.

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From: "Rob Kimberley" rk@timing-consultants.com
Subject: Re: [time-nuts] manual request: Austron 2201A
Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2007 21:40:32 +0100
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Hi Rob,

hit a

Lower cable damping at lower frequencies allows for longer cable runs.
Very
handy when considering putting GPS receivers into underground telecom
bunkers.
Fiber link is also a very good thing in those cases. Both is a must if you
want to play in that leage, and Meinberg wants that.

Now, If you look at the Zarlink GP2015 GPS Frontend chip you will find how
well it fits with this scheme. You apply 10 MHz to the chip, it PLL locks a
1,4 GHz VCO and mixes down with that (1575,42 - 1400 = 175,42 MHz), then it
goes for a filtering round and then comes back for the second mixer at a
tenth of the VCO frequency, i.e. 140 MHz (175,52 - 140 = 35,42 MHz) again
goes out for a filtering-round (through a SAW filter) and back in for a
mixdown with
31,11 MHz (actually 280 / 9 MHz) producing a 4,309 MHz signal which is then
sampled at 5,714 MHz (actually 40 / 7 MHz) producing 1,405 MHz carrier
frequency in the 5,714 Msamples/s 2-bit datastream.

The Meinberg trick can be done by simply put one frontend chip in the
antenna and another in the receiver. Both is fed the same 10 MHz clock but
you pick up the signal after the 2nd mixdown stage and transport that IF
over the cable and then toss in it at that place in the receivers frontend.
The AGC there will automatically compensate for cable damping which happends
around the 3rd mixdown. The HF part of the frontend in the receiver it just
kept as dead functionality. Same goes for the 3rd stage in the antenna.

Fairly clean and simple.

Cheers,
Magnus

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