Re: T&T: Lower stations, do you use yours?
I'd much rather drive from the Flying Bridge, If it is uncomfortably cold
or rough I will move down to the lower helm which is fine, but the only
seating I have there is a tall "directors chair" which is neither comfortable
nor stable so I usually wind up standing. I don't really like to run the
generator and A/C while traveling so the lower helm can get pretty hot in the
Summer.
Either one sure beats sitting at a desk in an office!
Steve Willett
Monk 36, Gumbo
Thibodaux, Louisiana
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I use our lower station on our 40 OA more than 90% fo the time. I second all
that Marin said.
Richard
A Cappella
OK, since we're on multi-station as a topic,
I'm renovating a 56 foot steel trawler. Would like to have a PH (pilot
house) and FB (fly bridge) steering, engine, and nav controls.
I'm planning on a self-contained hydraulic steering control setup, which I
understand is pretty easy to split between multiple stations, and maintain
all control should there be a power outage.
It's the engine control I'm most concerned with, especially being able to
maintain engine control in the midst of a power failure (sh$%^ happens, and
I'd like to be able to motor home). Is it possible to have a control cable,
say in the PH, and a remote control up on the FB?
How do other trawlers have this configured? Looking for a bullet-proof
solution, and at least two stations (maybe three, if I want to prep for
Mediterranean mooring and put another remote station at the rear of the
boat.
Ideas? Suggestions?
Mark Andrew
"Black River", 56 steel, circa 1955
c: (616) 928-4542
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Subject: Re: T&T: Lower stations, do you use yours?
I use our lower station on our 40 OA more than 90% fo the time. I second all
that Marin said.
Richard
A Cappella
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It's the engine control I'm most concerned with, especially being
able to
maintain engine control in the midst of a power failure (sh$%^
happens, and
I'd like to be able to motor home). Is it possible to have a
control cable,
say in the PH, and a remote control up on the FB?
This is exactly how our boat is configured. Small electronic controls
at each helm to a large actuator in the engine room - one to each
engine.
These are later versions of what we have:
Control head:
http://www.kobelt.com/6501_cut_sheet.html
Actuator:
http://www.kobelt.com/6524_cut_sheet.html
It looks like they now have a combination product too:
http://www.kobelt.com/mightymariner_cut_sheet.html
The control heads are tiny things. Push forward and you're in gear.
Pushing more adds throttle. Pull back and it goes into reverse and
adds throttle as you pull back more. If you slip too quickly between
forward and reverse, there's a built-in delay so it won't engage the
transmission.
If all the electronics fail, the large levers on the actuators allow
manual control of the transmission and throttle with someone in the
engine room. We've practiced that once. It's definitely an emergency
type of thing.
Here's a short real-time video taken on my phone while undocking at
Charleston:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YsF-BnpTwSg&feature=channel_page
It's a little jumpy because, heck, I was more concerned with
controlling the boat! There's a quick view of the controls when I put
both engines into forward at the end (they were split when walking off
the dock).
---===
Jeffrey Siegel
M/V aCappella
DeFever 53RPH
W1ACA/WDB4350
Castine, Maine
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"Mark Andrew" msandrew@chartermi.net writes:
I'm planning on a self-contained hydraulic steering control setup, which I
understand is pretty easy to split between multiple stations, and maintain
all control should there be a power outage.
Yes, in a hydraulic steering system each helm pump operates independently.
It's the engine control I'm most concerned with, especially being able to
maintain engine control in the midst of a power failure (sh$%^ happens, and
I'd like to be able to motor home). Is it possible to have a control cable,
say in the PH, and a remote control up on the FB?
This is exactly what you should do.
How do other trawlers have this configured? Looking for a bullet-proof
solution, and at least two stations (maybe three, if I want to prep for
Mediterranean mooring and put another remote station at the rear of the
boat.
You may hear some other recommendations, such as electronic controls, but I
am going to suggest very strongly that you take a look at the low-tech
solution: Hynautic hydraulic controls. These have been around about 30 years,
they are very simple to install and maintain, and best of all they work
perfectly for multiple stations. I have them on Island Eagle and have not had
a single problem. Total maintainence over 6 years consists of making sure
there is air pressure in the resevoir.
The official Hynautic web site does not carry much information anymore, but
here is some info:
http://www.seamar.com/hengine.html
The user manual is at http://tinyurl.com/ryvcl4
You can also find lots of stuff for sale on eBay, just search for "hynautic
control". Your very best bet would be to find a boat "upgrading" to
electronic controls from Hynautic and just buying the whole system.
Scott Welch
Product Manager, Open Text Collaboration and Social Media Group
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"Mark Andrew" wrote:
How do other trawlers have this configured? Looking for a bullet-proof
solution, and at least two stations (maybe three, if I want to prep for
Mediterranean mooring and put another remote station at the rear of the
boat.
The new drive-by-wire controls (with backup) are what you want. Check out
the Glendenning web site (among others):
http://www.glendinningprods.com/marine.html
Pricey, but neat.
Bob
Robert Calhoun Smith Jr in DC
M/V MARY KATHRYN
Hatteras 58 LRC
Lying South River
Annapolis, MD
"Jeffrey Siegel" wrote:
Here's a short real-time video taken on my phone while undocking at
Charleston:
Really neat Jeff!
Now can we see the video of aCappella undocking from way down on the INSIDE
of the MegaDock with 3 knots of current and 20 knots of wind...hehehe.
Bob
Robert Calhoun Smith Jr in DC
M/V MARY KATHRYN
Hatteras 58 LRC
Lying South River
Annapolis, MD
Friday, May 8, 2009, 6:27:58 AM, Mark wrote:
MA> OK, since we're on multi-station as a topic,
MA> I'm renovating a 56 foot steel trawler. Would like to have a PH (pilot
MA> house) and FB (fly bridge) steering, engine, and nav controls.
MA> I'm planning on a self-contained hydraulic steering control setup, which I
MA> understand is pretty easy to split between multiple stations, and maintain
MA> all control should there be a power outage.
MA> It's the engine control I'm most concerned with, especially being able to
MA> maintain engine control in the midst of a power failure (sh$%^ happens, and
MA> I'd like to be able to motor home). Is it possible to have a control cable,
MA> say in the PH, and a remote control up on the FB?
MA> How do other trawlers have this configured? Looking for a bullet-proof
MA> solution, and at least two stations (maybe three, if I want to prep for
MA> Mediterranean mooring and put another remote station at the rear of the
MA> boat.
MA> Ideas? Suggestions?
MA> Mark Andrew
MA> "Black River", 56 steel, circa 1955
MA> c: (616) 928-4542
I've had three boats with flybridge and cabin helms. The first and
current boats had Teleflex cable engine controls, and the second had
Kobelt (I think). In all cases the cables from the upper helm
controls connect to the lower helm controls, and cables go from the
lower helm controls to the engines and transmissions. Both upper and
lower helm controls are active at all times - no switching involved,
and purely mechanical, so no electrical concerns. I don't know how
many stations can be connected this way before friction becomes
excessive, but there's no problem with two stations.
I have Teleflex hydraulic steering (no pump or external power
required). In this system, the two helms and the autopilot pump are
simply plumbed in parallel - again, no switching to change stations,
and no electricity involved for manual steering. (This is on a 31 ft
boat - you may need power steering on a larger vessel...)
--
Peter Bennett, VE7CEI Vancouver, B.C., Canada
Ennos 31 "Honeycomb"
GPS and NMEA info: http://vancouver-webpages.com/peter
Vancouver Power Squadron: http://vancouver.powersquadron.ca
Well, I've spent a half hour going in circles with Teleflex, the owners of
the Hynautic hydraulic engine controls. No one in the company seems to know
anything about the product line, and it's like pulling teeth getting past
the phone receptionist...seems kind of risky in this economic environment to
put the sales future of your company in the hands of your phone
receptionists, but there you go...
The www.teleflex.com web site has no information, although they do talk
about their Hynautic steering controls.
Mark Andrew
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From: Peter Bennett [mailto:peterbb4@interchange.ubc.ca]
Sent: Friday, May 08, 2009 11:49 AM
To: Mark Andrew; trawlers-and-trawlering@lists.samurai.com
Subject: Re: T&T: Lower stations, do you use yours?
Friday, May 8, 2009, 6:27:58 AM, Mark wrote:
MA> OK, since we're on multi-station as a topic,
MA> I'm renovating a 56 foot steel trawler. Would like to have a PH (pilot
MA> house) and FB (fly bridge) steering, engine, and nav controls.
MA> I'm planning on a self-contained hydraulic steering control setup, which
I
MA> understand is pretty easy to split between multiple stations, and
maintain
MA> all control should there be a power outage.
MA> It's the engine control I'm most concerned with, especially being able
to
MA> maintain engine control in the midst of a power failure (sh$%^ happens,
and
MA> I'd like to be able to motor home). Is it possible to have a control
cable,
MA> say in the PH, and a remote control up on the FB?
MA> How do other trawlers have this configured? Looking for a bullet-proof
MA> solution, and at least two stations (maybe three, if I want to prep for
MA> Mediterranean mooring and put another remote station at the rear of the
MA> boat.
MA> Ideas? Suggestions?
MA> Mark Andrew
MA> "Black River", 56 steel, circa 1955
MA> c: (616) 928-4542
I've had three boats with flybridge and cabin helms. The first and
current boats had Teleflex cable engine controls, and the second had
Kobelt (I think). In all cases the cables from the upper helm
controls connect to the lower helm controls, and cables go from the
lower helm controls to the engines and transmissions. Both upper and
lower helm controls are active at all times - no switching involved,
and purely mechanical, so no electrical concerns. I don't know how
many stations can be connected this way before friction becomes
excessive, but there's no problem with two stations.
I have Teleflex hydraulic steering (no pump or external power
required). In this system, the two helms and the autopilot pump are
simply plumbed in parallel - again, no switching to change stations,
and no electricity involved for manual steering. (This is on a 31 ft
boat - you may need power steering on a larger vessel...)
--
Peter Bennett, VE7CEI Vancouver, B.C., Canada
Ennos 31 "Honeycomb"
GPS and NMEA info: http://vancouver-webpages.com/peter
Vancouver Power Squadron: http://vancouver.powersquadron.ca
Some have turned to Kobelt - especially for hydraulic cylinders.
Ron Rogers