Great work ! Thank you Anne & Jannik

On Wed, Nov 25, 2015 at 8:44 PM, jannik laval jannik.laval@gmail.com wrote:

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Serge Stinckwich
UCBN & UMI UMMISCO 209 (IRD/UPMC)
Every DSL ends up being Smalltalk
http://www.doesnotunderstand.org/

It is a shame that we have to pay to get the articles!
Is there a place where we can access the drafts?

Bad system.

Best,
Christian

Hi Christian,

Yes, the papers are available on edug 2015 webpage.

Best regards,
Jannik
Le 26 nov. 2015 9:40 AM, "Christian Haider" <
christian.haider@smalltalked-visuals.com> a écrit :

Thanks to Jannik, Anne and the rest of the PC for all their great work!

../Dave

On 25 November 2015 at 14:44, jannik laval jannik.laval@gmail.com wrote:

Hi Christian,

I understand your frustration. However this is how it work as soon as one wish to publish to a wide audience. Unfortunately, there is not much we can do in that respect.

Cheers,
Alexandre

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Alexandre Bergel  http://www.bergel.eu
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This is the current “System” of research… of course the Authors nor the universities that payed a salary for doing the research
will get any money… just the leeches that did nothing. It is a truly shitty system and worthy to be fought against, but this is
hard if you ever want to get a job or graduate. But there are activities against it… progress is slow… but e.g. ECOOP left all
this and the publications are now online for free.

So what people do to make it less of a problem is that they publish a “preprint” that is free to download. Preprints are
on the websites of the authors (of they care) or in the central archive of the institution (if it cares).

Inria (where I work) got so far that as of 2 years ago, publication that are not available for free on https://hal.inria.fr do not counted for
any Inria internal metric. As far as Inria is concerned, they do not exist. E.g we are not allowed to put it in official reports or claim
them when applying for internal promotion.

As for IWST: there is a link here: http://www.esug.org/wiki/pier/Conferences/2015/International-Workshop-IWST_15
(I will upload them to http://www.esug.org/data/ESUG2015/ later today)

Marcus

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I added them to:

http://www.esug.org/data/ESUG2015/IWST/


Marcus

In fact, ACM is easier to deal with than you might think.  If you are just
putting a proceedings into the DL, and not making a print version of it,
you can ask them to allow copyright to stay with the authors.  We did this
for the PLoP series of conferences.

-Ralph Johnson

On Thu, Nov 26, 2015 at 6:46 AM, Marcus Denker marcus.denker@inria.fr
wrote:

Hi Markus,

On 26.11.15 13:46, Marcus Denker wrote:

+10000. The reviewers also don't get any money, and since most journals
are digital and have no print costs, it's even more upsetting.

Best

Joseph Pelrine [ | ]
MetaProg GmbH
Email: jpelrine@metaprog.com
Web:  http://www.metaprog.com

As soon as you introduce people, things become complex.