IWST '15 is now in the ACM DL
Ralph,
Could you clarify that? I just went to the ACM DL for PLoP, and all the PLoP,
EuroPloP and SugarloafPloP papers I tried were behind a paywall, $15 each.
That’s the same price as for the OOPSLA/SPLASH Domain-Specific Modeling
Workshops, where IIRC authors sign away their copyright to ACM (but we link
preprints from the workshop web page).
All the best,
Steve
From: Esug-list [mailto:esug-list-bounces@lists.esug.org] On Behalf Of Ralph
Johnson
Sent: Thursday, November 26, 2015 5:08 PM
To: Marcus Denker
Cc: ESUG Mailing list
Subject: Re: [Esug-list] IWST '15 is now in the ACM DL
In fact, ACM is easier to deal with than you might think. If you are just
putting a proceedings into the DL, and not making a print version of it, you
can ask them to allow copyright to stay with the authors. We did this for
the PLoP series of conferences.
-Ralph Johnson
On Thu, Nov 26, 2015 at 6:46 AM, Marcus Denker marcus.denker@inria.fr
wrote:
On 26 Nov 2015, at 09:14, Alexandre Bergel abergel@dcc.uchile.cl wrote:
Hi Christian,
I understand your frustration. However this is how it work as soon as one
wish to publish to a wide audience. Unfortunately, there is not much we can
do in that respect.
This is the current “System” of research… of course the Authors nor the
universities that payed a salary for doing the research
will get any money… just the leeches that did nothing. It is a truly shitty
system and worthy to be fought against, but this is
hard if you ever want to get a job or graduate. But there are activities
against it… progress is slow… but e.g. ECOOP left all
this and the publications are now online for free.
So what people do to make it less of a problem is that they publish a
“preprint” that is free to download. Preprints are
on the websites of the authors (of they care) or in the central archive of
the institution (if it cares).
Inria (where I work) got so far that as of 2 years ago, publication that are
not available for free on https://hal.inria.fr do not counted for
any Inria internal metric. As far as Inria is concerned, they do not exist.
E.g we are not allowed to put it in official reports or claim
them when applying for internal promotion.
As for IWST: there is a link here:
http://www.esug.org/wiki/pier/Conferences/2015/International-Workshop-IWST_15
(I will upload them to http://www.esug.org/data/ESUG2015/ later today)
Marcus
.
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Marcus, yes, exactly this point: the public (we) pays for research and review (and the ESUG participants financed the presentation - this is good, don’t get me wrong) and then it is sealed by a private company which does WHAT?
I know that we agree that public funded research must be open to the public. (period!)
This is why I like the pirates - that is one of their core issues.
Great to here that there is progress - Inria is cool!
And I hope and expect that ESUG will stay open with the publications.
Best,
Christian
-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
Von: Marcus Denker [mailto:marcus.denker@gmail.com] Im Auftrag von
Marcus Denker
Gesendet: Donnerstag, 26. November 2015 13:46
An: Alexandre Bergel
Cc: Christian Haider; ESUG Mailing list
Betreff: Re: [Esug-list] IWST '15 is now in the ACM DL
On 26 Nov 2015, at 09:14, Alexandre Bergel abergel@dcc.uchile.cl wrote:
Hi Christian,
I understand your frustration. However this is how it work as soon as one
wish to publish to a wide audience. Unfortunately, there is not much we can
do in that respect.
This is the current “System” of research… of course the Authors nor the
universities that payed a salary for doing the research will get any money…
just the leeches that did nothing. It is a truly shitty system and worthy to
be fought against, but this is hard if you ever want to get a job or graduate.
But there are activities against it… progress is slow… but e.g. ECOOP left all
this and the publications are now online for free.
So what people do to make it less of a problem is that they publish a
“preprint” that is free to download. Preprints are on the websites of the
authors (of they care) or in the central archive of the institution (if it cares).
Inria (where I work) got so far that as of 2 years ago, publication that are not
available for free on https://hal.inria.fr do not counted for any Inria internal
metric. As far as Inria is concerned, they do not exist. E.g we are not allowed
to put it in official reports or claim them when applying for internal
promotion.
As for IWST: there is a link here:
http://www.esug.org/wiki/pier/Conferences/2015/International-Workshop-
IWST_15
(I will upload them to http://www.esug.org/data/ESUG2015/ later today)
Marcus
.
No I know people that publish their proceedings to ACM DL and Hal!
For next year I will put the PC chair in contact with my contact.
Stef
On 26 Nov 2015, at 13:14, Alexandre Bergel abergel@dcc.uchile.cl wrote:
Hi Christian,
I understand your frustration. However this is how it work as soon as one wish to publish to a wide audience. Unfortunately, there is not much we can do in that respect.
Cheers,
Alexandre
,.;:~^~:;.,.;:~^~:;.,.;:~^~:;.,.;:~^~:;.,.;:
Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu
^~:;.,.;:~^~:;.,.;:~^~:;.,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;.
On Nov 26, 2015, at 5:38 AM, Christian Haider christian.haider@smalltalked-visuals.com wrote:
It is a shame that we have to pay to get the articles!
Is there a place where we can access the drafts?
Bad system.
Best,
Christian
-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
Von: Esug-list [mailto:esug-list-bounces@lists.esug.org] Im Auftrag von
jannik laval
Gesendet: Mittwoch, 25. November 2015 20:44
An: esug-list@lists.esug.org
Betreff: [Esug-list] IWST '15 is now in the ACM DL
Dear all,
We are pleased to announce that proceedings of IWST'15 are available
online.
You can view the proceedings material using the following URL:
http://dl.acm.org/citation.cfm?id=2811237.
Best regards
Anne & Jannik
--
~~Jannik Laval~~
Enseignant-chercheur
IUT Lumière, Université Lyon Lumière
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The difference is that ACM does not hold the copyright on the papers.
Instead, they were given the right to publish them, but authors keep the
copyright on the papers. Thus, the authors are able to publish them in
other venues, such as their own website.
The ACM Digital Library is really designed for ACM members. You don't have
to pay for individual articles if you are a member, you get to see all of
them. Most CS professors are members. Universities can also be members,
and then all the students can access the DL. I bet big companies like IBM
are also members and so their employees can access the DL.
The DL doesn't work so well for people in smaller companies, since neither
they nor their employer are members of the ACM. So, when a conference
wants to appeal to people in smaller companies, it is important to make
sure that when you negotiate the contract with the ACM, you make sure that
the copyright remains with the author, not with ACM. That permits you to
put the papers on a web site elsewhere.
-Ralph
On Thu, Nov 26, 2015 at 9:58 AM, Steven Kelly stevek@metacase.com wrote:
Ralph,
Could you clarify that? I just went to the ACM DL for PLoP, and all the
PLoP, EuroPloP and SugarloafPloP papers I tried were behind a paywall, $15
each. That’s the same price as for the OOPSLA/SPLASH Domain-Specific
Modeling Workshops, where IIRC authors sign away their copyright to ACM
(but we link preprints from the workshop web page).
All the best,
Steve
From: Esug-list [mailto:esug-list-bounces@lists.esug.org] *On Behalf Of
*Ralph Johnson
Sent: Thursday, November 26, 2015 5:08 PM
To: Marcus Denker
Cc: ESUG Mailing list
Subject: Re: [Esug-list] IWST '15 is now in the ACM DL
In fact, ACM is easier to deal with than you might think. If you are
just putting a proceedings into the DL, and not making a print version of
it, you can ask them to allow copyright to stay with the authors. We did
this for the PLoP series of conferences.
-Ralph Johnson
On Thu, Nov 26, 2015 at 6:46 AM, Marcus Denker marcus.denker@inria.fr
wrote:
On 26 Nov 2015, at 09:14, Alexandre Bergel abergel@dcc.uchile.cl
wrote:
Hi Christian,
I understand your frustration. However this is how it work as soon as
one wish to publish to a wide audience. Unfortunately, there is not much we
can do in that respect.
This is the current “System” of research… of course the Authors nor the
universities that payed a salary for doing the research
will get any money… just the leeches that did nothing. It is a truly
shitty system and worthy to be fought against, but this is
hard if you ever want to get a job or graduate. But there are activities
against it… progress is slow… but e.g. ECOOP left all
this and the publications are now online for free.
So what people do to make it less of a problem is that they publish a
“preprint” that is free to download. Preprints are
on the websites of the authors (of they care) or in the central archive of
the institution (if it cares).
Inria (where I work) got so far that as of 2 years ago, publication that
are not available for free on https://hal.inria.fr
https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__hal.inria.fr&d=BQMGaQ&c=8hUWFZcy2Z-Za5rBPlktOQ&r=1b7HP4jiYqv2J9GhsFL1RVTPCo7Df2jBmDU6HdJUM3Y&m=8VG3AmMXAGg19Z_lS5xwKI6Zmn-437r0JmMUnujR9gE&s=YKY_KurHUOUidRnScrot6S-4sr0pHRNf3ft858igaeo&e=
do not counted for
any Inria internal metric. As far as Inria is concerned, they do not
exist. E.g we are not allowed to put it in official reports or claim
them when applying for internal promotion.
As for IWST: there is a link here:
http://www.esug.org/wiki/pier/Conferences/2015/International-Workshop-IWST_15
https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.esug.org_wiki_pier_Conferences_2015_International-2DWorkshop-2DIWST-5F15&d=BQMGaQ&c=8hUWFZcy2Z-Za5rBPlktOQ&r=1b7HP4jiYqv2J9GhsFL1RVTPCo7Df2jBmDU6HdJUM3Y&m=8VG3AmMXAGg19Z_lS5xwKI6Zmn-437r0JmMUnujR9gE&s=xdcS9yQ9TGOYvmRhXVvz7HWVTt4qMOr0HuT5S-b2tXQ&e=
(I will upload them to http://www.esug.org/data/ESUG2015/
https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.esug.org_data_ESUG2015_&d=BQMGaQ&c=8hUWFZcy2Z-Za5rBPlktOQ&r=1b7HP4jiYqv2J9GhsFL1RVTPCo7Df2jBmDU6HdJUM3Y&m=8VG3AmMXAGg19Z_lS5xwKI6Zmn-437r0JmMUnujR9gE&s=Xqdfjr3ibQqW8n3Gqwigrmb3ZmqWuIeNQIDfjTLnRPc&e=
later today)
Marcus
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Yes and people do that and can publish on the hal open-archive.
We just forgot.
Stef
On 27 Nov 2015, at 23:47, Ralph Johnson johnson@cs.uiuc.edu wrote:
The difference is that ACM does not hold the copyright on the papers. Instead, they were given the right to publish them, but authors keep the copyright on the papers. Thus, the authors are able to publish them in other venues, such as their own website.
The ACM Digital Library is really designed for ACM members. You don't have to pay for individual articles if you are a member, you get to see all of them. Most CS professors are members. Universities can also be members, and then all the students can access the DL. I bet big companies like IBM are also members and so their employees can access the DL.
The DL doesn't work so well for people in smaller companies, since neither they nor their employer are members of the ACM. So, when a conference wants to appeal to people in smaller companies, it is important to make sure that when you negotiate the contract with the ACM, you make sure that the copyright remains with the author, not with ACM. That permits you to put the papers on a web site elsewhere.
-Ralph
On Thu, Nov 26, 2015 at 9:58 AM, Steven Kelly stevek@metacase.com wrote:
Ralph,
Could you clarify that? I just went to the ACM DL for PLoP, and all the PLoP, EuroPloP and SugarloafPloP papers I tried were behind a paywall, $15 each. That’s the same price as for the OOPSLA/SPLASH Domain-Specific Modeling Workshops, where IIRC authors sign away their copyright to ACM (but we link preprints from the workshop web page).
All the best,
Steve
From: Esug-list [mailto:esug-list-bounces@lists.esug.org] On Behalf Of Ralph Johnson
Sent: Thursday, November 26, 2015 5:08 PM
To: Marcus Denker
Cc: ESUG Mailing list
Subject: Re: [Esug-list] IWST '15 is now in the ACM DL
In fact, ACM is easier to deal with than you might think. If you are just putting a proceedings into the DL, and not making a print version of it, you can ask them to allow copyright to stay with the authors. We did this for the PLoP series of conferences.
-Ralph Johnson
On Thu, Nov 26, 2015 at 6:46 AM, Marcus Denker marcus.denker@inria.fr wrote:
On 26 Nov 2015, at 09:14, Alexandre Bergel abergel@dcc.uchile.cl wrote:
Hi Christian,
I understand your frustration. However this is how it work as soon as one wish to publish to a wide audience. Unfortunately, there is not much we can do in that respect.
This is the current “System” of research… of course the Authors nor the universities that payed a salary for doing the research
will get any money… just the leeches that did nothing. It is a truly shitty system and worthy to be fought against, but this is
hard if you ever want to get a job or graduate. But there are activities against it… progress is slow… but e.g. ECOOP left all
this and the publications are now online for free.
So what people do to make it less of a problem is that they publish a “preprint” that is free to download. Preprints are
on the websites of the authors (of they care) or in the central archive of the institution (if it cares).
Inria (where I work) got so far that as of 2 years ago, publication that are not available for free on https://hal.inria.fr do not counted for
any Inria internal metric. As far as Inria is concerned, they do not exist. E.g we are not allowed to put it in official reports or claim
them when applying for internal promotion.
As for IWST: there is a link here: http://www.esug.org/wiki/pier/Conferences/2015/International-Workshop-IWST_15
(I will upload them to http://www.esug.org/data/ESUG2015/ later today)
Marcus
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On 11/27/15 14:47 , Ralph Johnson wrote:
The difference is that ACM does not hold the copyright on the papers.
Instead, they were given the right to publish them, but authors keep the
copyright on the papers. Thus, the authors are able to publish them in
other venues, such as their own website.
The ACM Digital Library is really designed for ACM members. You don't
have to pay for individual articles if you are a member, you get to see
all of them. Most CS professors are members. Universities can also be
members, and then all the students can access the DL. I bet big
companies like IBM are also members and so their employees can access
the DL.
The DL doesn't work so well for people in smaller companies, since
neither they nor their employer are members of the ACM. So, when a
conference wants to appeal to people in smaller companies, it is
important to make sure that when you negotiate the contract with the
ACM, you make sure that the copyright remains with the author, not with
ACM. That permits you to put the papers on a web site elsewhere.
-Ralph
On Thu, Nov 26, 2015 at 9:58 AM, Steven Kelly <stevek@metacase.com
mailto:stevek@metacase.com> wrote:
Ralph,____
__ __
Could you clarify that? I just went to the ACM DL for PLoP, and all
the PLoP, EuroPloP and SugarloafPloP papers I tried were behind a
paywall, $15 each. That’s the same price as for the OOPSLA/SPLASH
Domain-Specific Modeling Workshops, where IIRC authors sign away
their copyright to ACM (but we link preprints from the workshop web
page).____
__ __
All the best,____
Steve____
__ __
*From:*Esug-list [mailto:esug-list-bounces@lists.esug.org
<mailto:esug-list-bounces@lists.esug.org>] *On Behalf Of *Ralph Johnson
*Sent:* Thursday, November 26, 2015 5:08 PM
*To:* Marcus Denker
*Cc:* ESUG Mailing list
*Subject:* Re: [Esug-list] IWST '15 is now in the ACM DL____
__ __
In fact, ACM is easier to deal with than you might think. If you
are just putting a proceedings into the DL, and not making a print
version of it, you can ask them to allow copyright to stay with the
authors. We did this for the PLoP series of conferences. ____
__ __
-Ralph Johnson____
__ __
On Thu, Nov 26, 2015 at 6:46 AM, Marcus Denker
<marcus.denker@inria.fr <mailto:marcus.denker@inria.fr>> wrote:____
On 26 Nov 2015, at 09:14, Alexandre Bergel <abergel@dcc.uchile.cl
<mailto:abergel@dcc.uchile.cl>> wrote:
Hi Christian,
I understand your frustration. However this is how it work as
soon as one wish to publish to a wide audience. Unfortunately, there
is not much we can do in that respect.
This is the current “System” of research… of course the Authors nor
the universities that payed a salary for doing the research
will get any money… just the leeches that did *nothing*. It is a
truly shitty system and worthy to be fought against, but this is
hard if you ever want to get a job or graduate. But there are
activities against it… progress is slow… but e.g. ECOOP left all
this and the publications are now online for free.
So what people do to make it less of a problem is that they publish
a “preprint” that is free to download. Preprints are
on the websites of the authors (of they care) or in the central
archive of the institution (if it cares).
Inria (where I work) got so far that as of 2 years ago, publication
that are not available for free on https://hal.inria.fr
<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__hal.inria.fr&d=BQMGaQ&c=8hUWFZcy2Z-Za5rBPlktOQ&r=1b7HP4jiYqv2J9GhsFL1RVTPCo7Df2jBmDU6HdJUM3Y&m=8VG3AmMXAGg19Z_lS5xwKI6Zmn-437r0JmMUnujR9gE&s=YKY_KurHUOUidRnScrot6S-4sr0pHRNf3ft858igaeo&e=>
do not counted for
any Inria internal metric. As far as Inria is concerned, they do not
exist. E.g we are not allowed to put it in official reports or claim
them when applying for internal promotion.
As for IWST: there is a link here:
http://www.esug.org/wiki/pier/Conferences/2015/International-Workshop-IWST_15
<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.esug.org_wiki_pier_Conferences_2015_International-2DWorkshop-2DIWST-5F15&d=BQMGaQ&c=8hUWFZcy2Z-Za5rBPlktOQ&r=1b7HP4jiYqv2J9GhsFL1RVTPCo7Df2jBmDU6HdJUM3Y&m=8VG3AmMXAGg19Z_lS5xwKI6Zmn-437r0JmMUnujR9gE&s=xdcS9yQ9TGOYvmRhXVvz7HWVTt4qMOr0HuT5S-b2tXQ&e=>
(I will upload them to http://www.esug.org/data/ESUG2015/
<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.esug.org_data_ESUG2015_&d=BQMGaQ&c=8hUWFZcy2Z-Za5rBPlktOQ&r=1b7HP4jiYqv2J9GhsFL1RVTPCo7Df2jBmDU6HdJUM3Y&m=8VG3AmMXAGg19Z_lS5xwKI6Zmn-437r0JmMUnujR9gE&s=Xqdfjr3ibQqW8n3Gqwigrmb3ZmqWuIeNQIDfjTLnRPc&e=>
later today)
Marcus
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What happened to the IWST'14 proceedings? I can't find them in the DL.
(Yes, I know where they are on the ESUG site; but, you know, there are
certain benefits to having the ACM search index them).
Thanks Ralph. Even if authors give copyright to ACM, they can still publish
on their web page and in preproceedings. I think you'll find that a
vanishingly small percentage of people in industry have access to the ACM DL
through their companies. I understand that publishing in the DL or similar
repositories is useful for discoverability, and I can cope with the fact that
those companies need to make money and so use paywalls. But please, all
authors, if the publisher allows it and you want your research to be taken up
by people in the real world, take the trouble to put a PDF on your web page.
Cheers,
Steve
From: rjohnson.uiuc@gmail.com on behalf of Ralph Johnson
Sent: Sat 28/11/2015 00:47
To: Steven Kelly
Cc: ESUG Mailing list
Subject: Re: [Esug-list] IWST '15 is now in the ACM DL
The difference is that ACM does not hold the copyright on the papers.
Instead, they were given the right to publish them, but authors keep the
copyright on the papers. Thus, the authors are able to publish them in other
venues, such as their own website.
The ACM Digital Library is really designed for ACM members. You don't have
to pay for individual articles if you are a member, you get to see all of
them. Most CS professors are members. Universities can also be members,
and then all the students can access the DL. I bet big companies like IBM
are also members and so their employees can access the DL.
The DL doesn't work so well for people in smaller companies, since neither
they nor their employer are members of the ACM. So, when a conference wants
to appeal to people in smaller companies, it is important to make sure that
when you negotiate the contract with the ACM, you make sure that the
copyright remains with the author, not with ACM. That permits you to put the
papers on a web site elsewhere.
-Ralph
On Thu, Nov 26, 2015 at 9:58 AM, Steven Kelly stevek@metacase.com wrote:
Ralph,
Could you clarify that? I just went to the ACM DL for PLoP, and all
the PLoP, EuroPloP and SugarloafPloP papers I tried were behind a paywall,
$15 each. That's the same price as for the OOPSLA/SPLASH Domain-Specific
Modeling Workshops, where IIRC authors sign away their copyright to ACM (but
we link preprints from the workshop web page).
All the best,
Steve
From: Esug-list [mailto:esug-list-bounces@lists.esug.org] On Behalf
Of Ralph Johnson
Sent: Thursday, November 26, 2015 5:08 PM
To: Marcus Denker
Cc: ESUG Mailing list
Subject: Re: [Esug-list] IWST '15 is now in the ACM DL
In fact, ACM is easier to deal with than you might think. If you
are just putting a proceedings into the DL, and not making a print version of
it, you can ask them to allow copyright to stay with the authors. We did
this for the PLoP series of conferences.
-Ralph Johnson
On Thu, Nov 26, 2015 at 6:46 AM, Marcus Denker
marcus.denker@inria.fr wrote:
On 26 Nov 2015, at 09:14, Alexandre Bergel abergel@dcc.uchile.cl
wrote:
Hi Christian,
I understand your frustration. However this is how it work as soon
as one wish to publish to a wide audience. Unfortunately, there is not much
we can do in that respect.
This is the current "System" of research... of course the Authors nor
the universities that payed a salary for doing the research
will get any money... just the leeches that did nothing. It is a
truly shitty system and worthy to be fought against, but this is
hard if you ever want to get a job or graduate. But there are
activities against it... progress is slow... but e.g. ECOOP left all
this and the publications are now online for free.
So what people do to make it less of a problem is that they publish a
"preprint" that is free to download. Preprints are
on the websites of the authors (of they care) or in the central
archive of the institution (if it cares).
Inria (where I work) got so far that as of 2 years ago, publication
that are not available for free on https://hal.inria.fr
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=8hUWFZcy2Z-Za5rBPlktOQ&r=1b7HP4jiYqv2J9GhsFL1RVTPCo7Df2jBmDU6HdJUM3Y&m=8VG3A
mMXAGg19Z_lS5xwKI6Zmn-437r0JmMUnujR9gE&s=YKY_KurHUOUidRnScrot6S-4sr0pHRNf3ft8
58igaeo&e=> do not counted for
any Inria internal metric. As far as Inria is concerned, they do not
exist. E.g we are not allowed to put it in official reports or claim
them when applying for internal promotion.
As for IWST: there is a link here:
http://www.esug.org/wiki/pier/Conferences/2015/International-Workshop-IWST_15
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onferences_2015_International-2DWorkshop-2DIWST-5F15&d=BQMGaQ&c=8hUWFZcy2Z-Za
5rBPlktOQ&r=1b7HP4jiYqv2J9GhsFL1RVTPCo7Df2jBmDU6HdJUM3Y&m=8VG3AmMXAGg19Z_lS5x
wKI6Zmn-437r0JmMUnujR9gE&s=xdcS9yQ9TGOYvmRhXVvz7HWVTt4qMOr0HuT5S-b2tXQ&e=>
(I will upload them to http://www.esug.org/data/ESUG2015/
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15_&d=BQMGaQ&c=8hUWFZcy2Z-Za5rBPlktOQ&r=1b7HP4jiYqv2J9GhsFL1RVTPCo7Df2jBmDU6H
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b3ZmqWuIeNQIDfjTLnRPc&e=> later today)
Marcus
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