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are with those of us who are not inclined to mess with the systems is PRICELESS! Their advice and counsel get me back on the water quicker. I LOVE THOSE GUYS! There are boaters and hobbyists. Both have knowledge to share... Final note: Subject lines are important...and allow many of us to skim the list quickly for items of interest. But many do not use Subject lines correctly. For instance, a recent subject line was: Why Do They Do That? Not very informative. A better line would have been: 250v on 32 footer...why? There I go, micro-managing again.... Bob ________________ Robert Calhoun Smith Jr M/V MARY KATHRYN Hatteras 58 LRC South River Annapolis, MD, USA

e words "rather than challenge the open ocean far from shore" were added to it. The comment has the arrogance of an open-ocean sailor with disdain for anything but hazardous living. I think people challenging mother nature in the middle of an angry sea in small pleasure boats of ANY type are fools, and those doing so in boats like mine are idiots to boot (those friends of mine here who have done so know that I mean nothing personal). We don't live in the age of Columbus and have no need to put to sea in frail vessels not designed or required by their trade to be there. I know of no commercial or naval vessel under 200 feet long in which I would be comfortable attempting an ocean crossing. I have been through hurricanes (my first at age 6) and typhoons (multiples of both) at sea in SHIPS designed for the task. These situations were NEVER of my choosing, and when I had command of a ship, I once went clear to the equator to avoid trouble when there were four typhoons simultaneously lingering about the Western Pacific because I HATE rough weather. Why anybody would go out there voluntarily in a small boat is quite beyond me. Said another way, if you find yourself in a "moment of terror" surfing down a big ocean wave in a semi-displacement hulled trawler (or any pleasure vessel for that matter), you have obviously done something stupid like "taking a knife to a gunfight." That's my 2 cents. There are plenty of prudent folks out there with vessels fitting the author's description enjoying the heck out of life and not endangering themselves by taking these boats to places they were not designed to be sailed. You do not need to build a battleship to enjoy life on the more comfortable waters most on this list enjoy. On a personal level, my opinion of my own boat is that it is a poor sea boat, but that's OK because I am not inclined to take it out in seas forecast to 3 or more feet (just for admiral comfort) and more than 3-4 hours from shelter. Just to be clearly understood, I am ONLY talking about coastal waters here (and seldom if EVER out of VHF range of help), NOT river and ICW transits, where my vessel can handle pretty much anything mother nature normally has to offer. Nothing I ever saw in "the uttermost parts of the sea" made me want to go back there on my own. Sorry, not a romantic or a nut. Rich Gano CALYPSO (GB-42-295) Southport, FL

om, then you will do better tied up to the dock." I find myself in considerable disagreement with this categorical defamation of a whole class of vessels (and their proud owners) unless the words "rather than challenge the open ocean far from shore" were added to it. The comment has the arrogance of an open-ocean sailor with disdain for anything but hazardous living. I think people challenging mother nature in the middle of an angry sea in small pleasure boats of ANY type are fools, and those doing so in boats like mine are idiots to boot (those friends of mine here who have done so know that I mean nothing personal). We don't live in the age of Columbus and have no need to put to sea in frail vessels not designed or required by their trade to be there. I know of no commercial or naval vessel under 200 feet long in which I would be comfortable attempting an ocean crossing. I have been through hurricanes (my first at age 6) and typhoons (multiples of both) at sea in SHIPS designed for the task. These situations were NEVER of my choosing, and when I had command of a ship, I once went clear to the equator to avoid trouble when there were four typhoons simultaneously lingering about the Western Pacific because I HATE rough weather. Why anybody would go out there voluntarily in a small boat is quite beyond me. Said another way, if you find yourself in a "moment of terror" surfing down a big ocean wave in a semi-displacement hulled trawler (or any pleasure vessel for that matter), you have obviously done something stupid like "taking a knife to a gunfight." That's my 2 cents. There are plenty of prudent folks out there with vessels fitting the author's description enjoying the heck out of life and not endangering themselves by taking these boats to places they were not designed to be sailed. You do not need to build a battleship to enjoy life on the more comfortable waters most on this list enjoy. On a personal level, my opinion of my own boat is that it is a poor sea boat, but that's OK because I am not inclined to take it out in seas forecast to 3 or more feet (just for admiral comfort) and more than 3-4 hours from shelter. Just to be clearly understood, I am ONLY talking about coastal waters here (and seldom if EVER out of VHF range of help), NOT river and ICW transits, where my vessel can handle pretty much anything mother nature normally has to offer. Nothing I ever saw in "the uttermost parts of the sea" made me want to go back there on my own. Sorry, not a romantic or a nut. Rich Gano CALYPSO (GB-42-295) Southport, FL _______________________________________________ http://lists.samurai.com/mailman/listinfo/trawlers-and-trawlering To unsubscribe or modify your subscription options (get password, change email address, etc) go to: http://lists.samurai.com/mailman/options/trawlers-and-trawlering Trawlers & Trawlering and T&T are trademarks of Water World Productions. Unauthorized use is prohibited. Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

On 29.04.2015 22:59, Tony Turner wrote: > Ofer, I'd hate to see this project die. I'd be happy to assist if you have > not had any offers. ... Hi Tony, thanks for giving that project a fresh breath. I'm still highly interested. Cheers, Achim

So why pre-ordain that if our famous flycatcher ultimately can't make it on its own it should die? Don Morgan Coventry

I'd use the loop on the top of the buoy to lift the buoy high enough that I could grab it. I'd then lift it (no easy task -- remember -- it was tied to a very heavy rope on the bottom), and quickly pass the line through the circle -- and, back to the boat.

From there, it is relatively easy to use translate, rotate, etc. to position it (still needing to use linear_extrude() to get a 3D representation.

. - Make it easy to see/find/navigate the entire hierarchy of source code.

Using TSP and Tide, hot high pressure washer, and plenty of plastic and tape to protect all stuff electrical, started at the top of each engine and worked my way down. Disabled boat's bilge pumps and used temporary one encased in wife's nylons to pump to 3 55 gal drums marine yard had.