Grabbing a Mooring from a Trawler
How do listees grab moorings. We have never faced the necessity of mooring
(rather than anchoring or tying to docks,) and I don't see how the crew person
can reach an eyelet near the waterline with a boathook from our deck, several
feet up in the air. Is it one of those things which looks difficult and is
really easy or???
Bob Siegel 36'MT sundeck "Shalom" Annapolis
P.S The swim platform option is off-the-table. Our platform is occupied by
the dinghy and also am reluctant to have crew person stand down there while
vessel is moving.
Bob, I have a 44 DeFever and it's easy for me or Susan to grab one of
the moorings in Annapolis Harbor. Drive over some weekday when there
isn't anybody around to point and laugh and try it. The lines come up
easily with a boat hook. You can also refine your "Dance" between the
person on the bow and the helmsman/woman.
Sometimes Susan will pull along side so I'm not hanging over the bow,
but about 10 feet or so back along either side, it was quite easy the
first time we tried it. We both thought we looked like pro's rather
than rookies!
John Blackburn
44 DeFever "Yak Rack"
Deale, MD
Bob/Myrna Siegel wrote:
How do listees grab moorings. We have never faced the necessity of mooring
(rather than anchoring or tying to docks,) and I don't see how the crew person
can reach an eyelet near the waterline with a boathook from our deck, several
feet up in the air. Is it one of those things which looks difficult and is
really easy or???
Bob Siegel 36'MT sundeck "Shalom" Annapolis
P.S The swim platform option is off-the-table. Our platform is occupied by
the dinghy and also am reluctant to have crew person stand down there while
vessel is moving.
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John's right, Bob. It really is easy. Generally, the mooring pendants
float, so they're easy to snag with an extended boat hook. The way we do it
is to approach the mooring very slowly from downwind. I try to stop the boat
just as the bow is over the pendant eye, that way, there's plenty of time
for the bow person to grab the line and haul it aboard and drop it over the
bow cleat. Bumping the boat into forward for a moment usually keeps her in
place if the wind starts to push you backward. I like to drive from the
flybridge when picking up a mooring, so I've got the pendant in sight right
up until we're over it.
Where folks screw up is when they're moving too fast, and the bow person
misses the pendant, or worse yet, they grab the pendant and then try to stop
the boat's forward motion by holding on for dear life. Nice way to go for a
swim or rip your arm out of its socket!
Ted Hugger
Seguin, GB32-126
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From: trawlers-and-trawlering-bounces@lists.samurai.com [mailto:trawlers-
and-trawlering-bounces@lists.samurai.com] On Behalf Of John Blackburn
Sent: Monday, October 09, 2006 6:07 PM
Cc: trawlers-and-trawlering@lists.samurai.com
Subject: Re: T&T: Grabbing a Mooring from a Trawler
Bob, I have a 44 DeFever and it's easy for me or Susan to grab one of
the moorings in Annapolis Harbor. Drive over some weekday when there
isn't anybody around to point and laugh and try it. The lines come up
easily with a boat hook. You can also refine your "Dance" between the
person on the bow and the helmsman/woman.
Sometimes Susan will pull along side so I'm not hanging over the bow,
but about 10 feet or so back along either side, it was quite easy the
first time we tried it. We both thought we looked like pro's rather
than rookies!
John Blackburn
44 DeFever "Yak Rack"
Deale, MD
Bob/Myrna Siegel wrote:
How do listees grab moorings. We have never faced the necessity of
mooring
(rather than anchoring or tying to docks,) and I don't see how the crew
person
can reach an eyelet near the waterline with a boathook from our deck,
several
feet up in the air. Is it one of those things which looks difficult and
is
really easy or???
Bob Siegel 36'MT sundeck "Shalom" Annapolis
P.S The swim platform option is off-the-table. Our platform is occupied
by
the dinghy and also am reluctant to have crew person stand down there
while
vessel is moving.
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On Rollsdoc with the high pointy end we have a very long boat hook. If conditions permit we can go back to the cockpit with a hook pick up the mooring and walk it forward.
Rodger Wrona
Rollsdoc
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Here in the Pacific Northwest, many of the mooring rings are fixed to the
mooring float and you have to deal with getting a mooring ling through a
four inch ring a foot above the water. There are no nice pendants to grab
and lift to deck.
My wife has had good luck with the Larson docking and buoy hooks, one for
docks and the other for mooring rings. These are heavy duty SS hooks to
which you tie a true dock line and use a standard boat hook to place the
docking hook on the dock stub rail or over the mooring ring. It takes a bit
of practice to learn how to hold the docking hook to the tip of the boat
hook, but the system does work.
Because the mooring ring is about eight feet below the level of the bow
pulpit, she usually finds it easiest to lay on her stomach on the foredeck
and hold the boat hook/docking hook near the water line. I slowly nudge the
boat towards the upwind mooring ball, moving the boat against the wind or
tidal current to bring the mooring ring alongside the starboard side of the
boat. She uses a Family Radio to give me directions. The sight isn't
elegant, but is effective. Average snagging time is 1-2 minutes.
Once she snags the mooring ball ring, she can put down the boat hook and
ties the mooring line to a deck cleat and we are there. Later, we splash the
dink and run an additional mooring line through the ring and tie it off on
either side of the bow, then remove the docking hook and associated mooring
line. Sounds complex, it is, but nothing is hard.
There is also a device called the Happy Hooker which helps thread a dock
like through the mooring ring. Available in West Marine.
We bought our Larson docking hook and buoy hooks at the Seattle Boat Show,
but it is available in the Fisheries Supply catalog.
Bob Miller
Anacortes, WA
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[mailto:trawlers-and-trawlering-bounces@lists.samurai.com] On Behalf Of Ted
Hugger
Sent: Monday, October 09, 2006 3:23 PM
To: 'John Blackburn'
Cc: trawlers-and-trawlering@lists.samurai.com
Subject: Re: T&T: Grabbing a Mooring from a Trawler
John's right, Bob. It really is easy. Generally, the mooring pendants
float, so they're easy to snag with an extended boat hook. The way we do it
is to approach the mooring very slowly from downwind. I try to stop the boat
just as the bow is over the pendant eye, that way, there's plenty of time
for the bow person to grab the line and haul it aboard and drop it over the
bow cleat. Bumping the boat into forward for a moment usually keeps her in
place if the wind starts to push you backward. I like to drive from the
flybridge when picking up a mooring, so I've got the pendant in sight right
up until we're over it.
Where folks screw up is when they're moving too fast, and the bow person
misses the pendant, or worse yet, they grab the pendant and then try to stop
the boat's forward motion by holding on for dear life. Nice way to go for a
swim or rip your arm out of its socket!
Ted Hugger
Seguin, GB32-126
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From: trawlers-and-trawlering-bounces@lists.samurai.com [mailto:trawlers-
and-trawlering-bounces@lists.samurai.com] On Behalf Of John Blackburn
Sent: Monday, October 09, 2006 6:07 PM
Cc: trawlers-and-trawlering@lists.samurai.com
Subject: Re: T&T: Grabbing a Mooring from a Trawler
Bob, I have a 44 DeFever and it's easy for me or Susan to grab one of
the moorings in Annapolis Harbor. Drive over some weekday when there
isn't anybody around to point and laugh and try it. The lines come up
easily with a boat hook. You can also refine your "Dance" between the
person on the bow and the helmsman/woman.
Sometimes Susan will pull along side so I'm not hanging over the bow,
but about 10 feet or so back along either side, it was quite easy the
first time we tried it. We both thought we looked like pro's rather
than rookies!
John Blackburn
44 DeFever "Yak Rack"
Deale, MD
Bob/Myrna Siegel wrote:
How do listees grab moorings. We have never faced the necessity of
mooring
(rather than anchoring or tying to docks,) and I don't see how the crew
person
can reach an eyelet near the waterline with a boathook from our deck,
several
feet up in the air. Is it one of those things which looks difficult and
is
really easy or???
I have to agree that this is not very difficult providing your boat hook is
long enough, you take it easy and the wind is stable. In general you really
can just reach over and grab the pennant.
I usually use a bridle rather than bringing the mooring pennant aboard.
Cleat one end of your bridle and have the other end ready to slide through
the eye of the pennant before you approach. If it is expected to get nasty
or if the pennant is chewed up, it is not a bad idea to place a second line
on the mooring or even to find another mooring.
The only times that I have ever had any difficulty is when the wind is
strong, gusty and veers from one direction to another during the gusts or
when the wind is gusting across a current.
Randy Thompson
M/V Soul Tender
KK39007
On 10/9/06 5:56 PM, "Bob/Myrna Siegel" thesiegels@erols.com wrote:
How do listees grab moorings. We have never faced the necessity of mooring
(rather than anchoring or tying to docks,) and I don't see how the crew person
can reach an eyelet near the waterline with a boathook from our deck, several
feet up in the air. Is it one of those things which looks difficult and is
really easy or???
Bob Siegel 36'MT sundeck "Shalom" Annapolis
P.S The swim platform option is off-the-table. Our platform is occupied by
the dinghy and also am reluctant to have crew person stand down there while
vessel is moving.
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From:Rodger Wrona
On Rollsdoc If conditions permit we can go back to the cockpit with a
hook pick up the mooring and walk it forward.
Rodger Wrona
REPLY
Given the much greater comfort and safety level of reaching the ring from
coskpit side, why anyone would place a crew person at risk right up at the
pointy end lying flat on their stomach fishing for a ring at a distanc of
six to eight feet is beyond belief.
Whether the mooring ball has a pennant or not the aft side pickup location
has so much going for it.
Then the lines can be walked forward at leisure.
No more guessing as to the exact placement of mooring ball relative to bow.
Guessing what the crew at bow wants the helmsperson to do.
And best of all it works equally well when single handing.
Arild
I am so pleased to see this thread - my husband and I picked up our first
mooring in Annapolis just 2 weeks ago. For WEEKS we were anxious about it
and it turned out to be a piece of cake!
Geri
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From: "Randy Thompson" randyt@overthereef.net
To: "Bob/Myrna Siegel" thesiegels@erols.com;
trawlers-and-trawlering@lists.samurai.com
Sent: Monday, October 09, 2006 6:50 PM
Subject: Re: T&T: Grabbing a Mooring from a Trawler
I have to agree that this is not very difficult providing your boat hook is
long enough, you take it easy and the wind is stable. In general you
really
can just reach over and grab the pennant.
I usually use a bridle rather than bringing the mooring pennant aboard.
Cleat one end of your bridle and have the other end ready to slide through
the eye of the pennant before you approach. If it is expected to get nasty
or if the pennant is chewed up, it is not a bad idea to place a second
line
on the mooring or even to find another mooring.
The only times that I have ever had any difficulty is when the wind is
strong, gusty and veers from one direction to another during the gusts or
when the wind is gusting across a current.
Randy Thompson
M/V Soul Tender
KK39007
On 10/9/06 5:56 PM, "Bob/Myrna Siegel" thesiegels@erols.com wrote:
How do listees grab moorings. We have never faced the necessity of
mooring
(rather than anchoring or tying to docks,) and I don't see how the crew
person
can reach an eyelet near the waterline with a boathook from our deck,
several
feet up in the air. Is it one of those things which looks difficult and
is
really easy or???
Bob Siegel 36'MT sundeck "Shalom" Annapolis
P.S The swim platform option is off-the-table. Our platform is occupied
by
the dinghy and also am reluctant to have crew person stand down there
while
vessel is moving.
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We've found three styles of moorings, at least that I can remember (from
easiest to most difficult):
-
Floating pendant with a whip style antenna (eg Roundout Creek, Kingston,
NY): grab the antenna by hand, pull it up and there'll be a line with a loop
to put over your cleat; -
Metal ring at the end of a chain passing through the center of the float
(eg Annapolis city moorings): get the boat hook on the ring pull up while
the float reminds in the water, pass a line through it; -
Metal ring that won't pull through the float (Navy balls in Clements
Creek of Severn River, Annapolis): I stand on the swim platform with a boat
hook in hand, wish I knew a better way.
As mentioned before, the helmsman needs to bring the vessel to a (near) stop
to give the mooring snatcher maximum time.
For the latter two types of moorings, a line should be already cleated with
the grabber ready to thread the bitter end through the metal ring. Some like
to bridle and use the two forward cleats, I prefer ataching both ends of the
line to the same cleat.
Practice in Clements Creek and stay the night. There is rarely anyone there
to critique you.
-- Jim
Jim & Rita Ague
M/V Derreen, Monk 36
lying NMB, SC
The ingenious Happy Hooker I have has proved too small for the heavy duty
buoys we come across in the PNW.
Advice: always wear heavy gloves when working around buoys. They are usually
encrusted with very sharp shell-fish.
The ring usually sits on a buoy that's the shape of a solid truck tire, so
it's as low as it can get, and requires precise driving. OTOH, once you get
a boat hook on it, the chain usually runs free through the buoy, so the ring
can be hauled straight up to permit a rope to be passed through it. We start
with one end already fast to a bow cleat, then tie the free end to the other
bow cleat. Departing is usually just a matter of releasing one end of the
rope and hauling it aboard.
Cheers, Garrett
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bob Miller" bobmi@earthlink.net
To: "'Ted Hugger'" thugger@maine.rr.com; "'John Blackburn'"
jgblackburn@comcast.net
Cc: trawlers-and-trawlering@lists.samurai.com
Sent: Monday, October 09, 2006 3:49 PM
Subject: Re: T&T: Grabbing a Mooring from a Trawler
Here in the Pacific Northwest, many of the mooring rings are fixed to the
mooring float and you have to deal with getting a mooring ling through a
four inch ring a foot above the water. There are no nice pendants to grab
and lift to deck.
My wife has had good luck with the Larson docking and buoy hooks, one for
docks and the other for mooring rings. These are heavy duty SS hooks to
which you tie a true dock line and use a standard boat hook to place the
docking hook on the dock stub rail or over the mooring ring. It takes a
bit
of practice to learn how to hold the docking hook to the tip of the boat
hook, but the system does work.
Because the mooring ring is about eight feet below the level of the bow
pulpit, she usually finds it easiest to lay on her stomach on the foredeck
and hold the boat hook/docking hook near the water line. I slowly nudge
the
boat towards the upwind mooring ball, moving the boat against the wind or
tidal current to bring the mooring ring alongside the starboard side of
the
boat. She uses a Family Radio to give me directions. The sight isn't
elegant, but is effective. Average snagging time is 1-2 minutes.
Once she snags the mooring ball ring, she can put down the boat hook and
ties the mooring line to a deck cleat and we are there. Later, we splash
the
dink and run an additional mooring line through the ring and tie it off on
either side of the bow, then remove the docking hook and associated
mooring
line. Sounds complex, it is, but nothing is hard.
There is also a device called the Happy Hooker which helps thread a dock
like through the mooring ring. Available in West Marine.
We bought our Larson docking hook and buoy hooks at the Seattle Boat Show,
but it is available in the Fisheries Supply catalog.
Bob Miller
Anacortes, WA
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From: trawlers-and-trawlering-bounces@lists.samurai.com
[mailto:trawlers-and-trawlering-bounces@lists.samurai.com] On Behalf Of
Ted
Hugger
Sent: Monday, October 09, 2006 3:23 PM
To: 'John Blackburn'
Cc: trawlers-and-trawlering@lists.samurai.com
Subject: Re: T&T: Grabbing a Mooring from a Trawler
John's right, Bob. It really is easy. Generally, the mooring pendants
float, so they're easy to snag with an extended boat hook. The way we do
it
is to approach the mooring very slowly from downwind. I try to stop the
boat
just as the bow is over the pendant eye, that way, there's plenty of time
for the bow person to grab the line and haul it aboard and drop it over
the
bow cleat. Bumping the boat into forward for a moment usually keeps her in
place if the wind starts to push you backward. I like to drive from the
flybridge when picking up a mooring, so I've got the pendant in sight
right
up until we're over it.
Where folks screw up is when they're moving too fast, and the bow person
misses the pendant, or worse yet, they grab the pendant and then try to
stop
the boat's forward motion by holding on for dear life. Nice way to go for
a
swim or rip your arm out of its socket!
Ted Hugger
Seguin, GB32-126
-----Original Message-----
From: trawlers-and-trawlering-bounces@lists.samurai.com [mailto:trawlers-
and-trawlering-bounces@lists.samurai.com] On Behalf Of John Blackburn
Sent: Monday, October 09, 2006 6:07 PM
Cc: trawlers-and-trawlering@lists.samurai.com
Subject: Re: T&T: Grabbing a Mooring from a Trawler
Bob, I have a 44 DeFever and it's easy for me or Susan to grab one of
the moorings in Annapolis Harbor. Drive over some weekday when there
isn't anybody around to point and laugh and try it. The lines come up
easily with a boat hook. You can also refine your "Dance" between the
person on the bow and the helmsman/woman.
Sometimes Susan will pull along side so I'm not hanging over the bow,
but about 10 feet or so back along either side, it was quite easy the
first time we tried it. We both thought we looked like pro's rather
than rookies!
John Blackburn
44 DeFever "Yak Rack"
Deale, MD
Bob/Myrna Siegel wrote:
How do listees grab moorings. We have never faced the necessity of
mooring
(rather than anchoring or tying to docks,) and I don't see how the crew
person
can reach an eyelet near the waterline with a boathook from our deck,
several
feet up in the air. Is it one of those things which looks difficult and
is
really easy or???
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Subject: Re: T&T: Grabbing a Mooring from a Trawler
-----Original Message-----
From:Rodger Wrona
On Rollsdoc If conditions permit we can go back to the cockpit with a
hook pick up the mooring and walk it forward.
Rodger Wrona
REPLY
Given the much greater comfort and safety level of reaching the ring from
coskpit side, why anyone would place a crew person at risk right up at the
pointy end lying flat on their stomach fishing for a ring at a distanc of
six to eight feet is beyond belief.
Whether the mooring ball has a pennant or not the aft side pickup
location
has so much going for it.
Then the lines can be walked forward at leisure.
No more guessing as to the exact placement of mooring ball relative to
bow.
Guessing what the crew at bow wants the helmsperson to do.
And best of all it works equally well when single handing.
Arild
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Perhaps someone has already mentioned this. If not, I'll add one more
"wrinkle" to this discussion.
We were in Croatia last year, and had our first experience with mooring
buoys. We chartered a 42' boat, bareboat.
The guy at the rental company gave me a long talk about the mooring buoys,
and how to use them. According to him, the little metal rings, at the top of
the buoy, won't hold up in high winds. He claimed that there is a second
ring, beneath the buoy, which should be "looped" to the boat.
We watched other people tying to the buoys, and everyone seemed to be tying
to the bottom of the buoys, so we followed suit. It turned out to be MUCH
harder than I expected.
We were often tying up in high wind (20-30 knots). Most people were backing
to the buoy, tying to the buoy, and then walking the rope to the front. In
our case, we had a tender on the back deck, so that wasn't an option. I had
to lay on the bow, with a boat hook, while Roberta approached from downwind.
I'd use the loop on the top of the buoy to lift the buoy high enough that I
could grab it. I'd then lift it (no easy task -- remember -- it was tied to
a very heavy rope on the bottom), and quickly pass the line through the
circle -- and, back to the boat.
This process usually took 30 minutes or so, and created lots of great
entertainment for surrounding boats.
I assume that since no one has mentioned this, that it isn't an issue with
US mooring buoys.
-Ken Williams
Nordhavn 68, Sans Souci
Ken and others,
Here in Turkey, people use both rings.
It appears that many use the top ring for short periods, and the
bottom one for longer periods.
I also noticed that you were seeing much more entertaining antics
than I was.
What I see, if the day is good and the water warm, people use the top
ring, and then later, swim up to the buoy and rig their lines to the
bottom ring, slacking the top line so the bottom line takes the load.
If the water is cold, or the weather "bad," I seem them use their
tender, kayak, and in one case, an "inner tube" to do the same work.
Lee
Ankara
On Oct 10, 2006, at 09:49, Ken Williams wrote:
Perhaps someone has already mentioned this. If not, I'll add one more
"wrinkle" to this discussion.
We were in Croatia last year, and had our first experience with mooring
buoys. We chartered a 42' boat, bareboat.
The guy at the rental company gave me a long talk about the mooring
buoys,
and how to use them. According to him, the little metal rings, at the
top of
the buoy, won't hold up in high winds. He claimed that there is a second
ring, beneath the buoy, which should be "looped" to the boat.
We watched other people tying to the buoys, and everyone seemed to be
tying
to the bottom of the buoys, so we followed suit. It turned out to be
MUCH
harder than I expected.
We were often tying up in high wind (20-30 knots). Most people were
backing
to the buoy, tying to the buoy, and then walking the rope to the
front. In
our case, we had a tender on the back deck, so that wasn't an option.
I had
to lay on the bow, with a boat hook, while Roberta approached from
downwind.
I'd use the loop on the top of the buoy to lift the buoy high enough
that I
could grab it. I'd then lift it (no easy task -- remember -- it was
tied to
a very heavy rope on the bottom), and quickly pass the line through the
circle -- and, back to the boat.
This process usually took 30 minutes or so, and created lots of great
entertainment for surrounding boats.
I assume that since no one has mentioned this, that it isn't an issue
with
US mooring buoys.
-Ken Williams
Nordhavn 68, Sans Souci
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Hi All
Lee will know that these European type of buoys are purely to mark the
position of the mooring and to suspend the mooring pendant.
The top ring or handle on the buoy, generally slightly smaller than a
football (soccer), is grabbed by hand or hooked with a boat-hook and lifted
clear of the water to obtain access to the mooring pendant.
The boat should not be fixed to the upper ring and local authorities and
sailing clubs who provide these moorings can, rightly, get very upset about
this.
Regards
Roger Bingham
France
It appears that many use the top ring for short periods, and the
bottom one for longer periods.
Bob and Myrna -
If you have side decks, have the crew stand downt there while captain
approaches mooring. Always approach up wind/up current. When mooring is
abeam the painter can be easily reached with a boat hook. Then the
wind/current gently eases the boat back away from the mooring and the crew
walks forward at the same speed with the painter until arriving on foredeck
to secure it to the cleat or samson post. Pretty easy with a little
practice. Captains job is to keep boat from blowing far away from the
mooring. If conditions are a bit hairy, immediately secure a long dock line
to the painter, the other end of which is already secure to the cleat or
samson post. Then wrestle it in at your leisure.
Best regards,
Chuck Wistar
www.celebratecruising.com
www.seleneannapolis.com