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Fri, Jan 12, 2007 3:28 AM

I am considering a 2003 62' Symbol. Does anyone have any information or
experienced with, (1) this boat concerning its seaworthiness, rough water
handling or any other information that I should be concerned about, or (2) the twin
1050 MAN engines that power this boat. I do not have any personal knowledge
regarding MAN's, however I have heard a few negative comments although they
were from other dealers.

Thanks for any help that any of you may have.

Bob S.

I am considering a 2003 62' Symbol. Does anyone have any information or experienced with, (1) this boat concerning its seaworthiness, rough water handling or any other information that I should be concerned about, or (2) the twin 1050 MAN engines that power this boat. I do not have any personal knowledge regarding MAN's, however I have heard a few negative comments although they were from other dealers. Thanks for any help that any of you may have. Bob S.

JH

John Hurley

Fri, Jan 12, 2007 7:43 AM

We had 610 MAN's on our 5288 Bayliner RPH (MAN-people get all- pissy if you
call them "man's"; favoring instead pronouncing them as you would if
spelling the word aloud.) I understand that MAN (Maschinenfabrik
Augsburg-N|rnberg) was founded in 1845 and I believe is the oldest surviving
manufacturer of Diesel engines.

We liked ours fine, although Bayliner (subsequently Meridian) is using 635
Cummins now as Brunswick's (Bayliner/Meridian's parent) Mercury division has
some kind of "arrangement" with Cummins.

We heard some negative comments about MAN's smoking and leaving soot on the
transom before we bought the boat; and smoke they did. But, we contacted
MAN and Bayliner and spoke to several other owners and decided to reprop to
four-blade, progressive pitch 3x33x34 NIBRAL's which solved the problem.

We have an excellent MAN dealer in Seattle, but it could be inconvenient if
you live in an area far from a dealer, which there are far fewer of than
with more popular manufacturers. I understand that MAN's are popular with
commercial fisherman because they are apparently very well-built. I dont
know how important that is on a recreational boat that does not see 1,000
hours a year in service.

Other than that, the engines were great; excpet when wide open as they were
very THIRSTY (68-70 GPH at WOT) and not fun at the pump. Yours would be
worse. Have fun with that.

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I am considering a 2003 62' Symbol. Does anyone have any information or
experienced with, (1) this boat concerning its seaworthiness, rough water
handling or any other information that I should be concerned about, or (2)
the twin
1050 MAN engines that power this boat. I do not have any personal
knowledge
regarding MAN's, however I have heard a few negative comments although they
were from other dealers.

Thanks for any help that any of you may have.

Bob S.

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We had 610 MAN's on our 5288 Bayliner RPH (MAN-people get all- pissy if you call them "man's"; favoring instead pronouncing them as you would if spelling the word aloud.) I understand that MAN (Maschinenfabrik Augsburg-N|rnberg) was founded in 1845 and I believe is the oldest surviving manufacturer of Diesel engines. We liked ours fine, although Bayliner (subsequently Meridian) is using 635 Cummins now as Brunswick's (Bayliner/Meridian's parent) Mercury division has some kind of "arrangement" with Cummins. We heard some negative comments about MAN's smoking and leaving soot on the transom before we bought the boat; and smoke they did. But, we contacted MAN and Bayliner and spoke to several other owners and decided to reprop to four-blade, progressive pitch 3x33x34 NIBRAL's which solved the problem. We have an excellent MAN dealer in Seattle, but it could be inconvenient if you live in an area far from a dealer, which there are far fewer of than with more popular manufacturers. I understand that MAN's are popular with commercial fisherman because they are apparently very well-built. I dont know how important that is on a recreational boat that does not see 1,000 hours a year in service. Other than that, the engines were great; excpet when wide open as they were very THIRSTY (68-70 GPH at WOT) and not fun at the pump. Yours would be worse. Have fun with that. -----Original Message----- From: trawlers-and-trawlering-bounces@lists.samurai.com [mailto:trawlers-and-trawlering-bounces@lists.samurai.com] On Behalf Of Rbscadron@aol.com Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2007 7:29 PM To: trawlers-and-trawlering@lists.samurai.com Subject: T&T: Symbol boat question I am considering a 2003 62' Symbol. Does anyone have any information or experienced with, (1) this boat concerning its seaworthiness, rough water handling or any other information that I should be concerned about, or (2) the twin 1050 MAN engines that power this boat. I do not have any personal knowledge regarding MAN's, however I have heard a few negative comments although they were from other dealers. Thanks for any help that any of you may have. Bob S. _______________________________________________ http://lists.samurai.com/mailman/listinfo/trawlers-and-trawlering To unsubscribe send email to trawlers-and-trawlering-request@lists.samurai.com with the word UNSUBSCRIBE and nothing else in the subject or body of the message. Trawlers & Trawlering and T&T are trademarks of Water World Productions. Unauthorized use is prohibited.

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Bob Clinkenbeard

Fri, Jan 12, 2007 11:55 AM

Bob's original post

I am considering a 2003 62' Symbol. Does anyone have any information or
experienced with, (1) this boat concerning its seaworthiness, rough water
handling or any other information that I should be concerned about, or (2)
the twin
1050 MAN engines that power this boat.

John's reply post

Other than that, the engines were great; excpet when wide open as they
were
very THIRSTY (68-70 GPH at WOT) and not fun at the pump. Yours would be
worse. Have fun with that.

I checked out a 62' Symbol on yachtworld (beautiful boat)
http://www.yachtworld.com/boats/1296601/0
and read that it has a capacity of 1200 gallons of fuel and a 30mph top
speed. The ad reads "The 1050hp MAN Engines achieve an economical cruising
speed of 22 knots " If my calculations are correct and using the statement
above of a 70 gph fuel burn on a smaller engine setup..............30 mph
(26knots) @ 70 gallons per hour gets you approximately 514 miles of
range......even cruising at the stated 25 mph (22knots) wouldn't increase
the range by much, would it?
1.3 mil for a weekend cruiser?
Can this be right?
Is this boat's tankage too little for it's size and ability?

Bob Clinkenbeard
24' custom trailer trawler
http://home.bellsouth.net/p/PWP-aboardbobbinalong

Bob's original post >I am considering a 2003 62' Symbol. Does anyone have any information or > experienced with, (1) this boat concerning its seaworthiness, rough water > handling or any other information that I should be concerned about, or (2) > the twin > 1050 MAN engines that power this boat. _________ John's reply post > Other than that, the engines were great; excpet when wide open as they > were > very THIRSTY (68-70 GPH at WOT) and not fun at the pump. Yours would be > worse. Have fun with that. __________________________________________________ I checked out a 62' Symbol on yachtworld (beautiful boat) http://www.yachtworld.com/boats/1296601/0 and read that it has a capacity of 1200 gallons of fuel and a 30mph top speed. The ad reads "The 1050hp MAN Engines achieve an economical cruising speed of 22 knots " If my calculations are correct and using the statement above of a 70 gph fuel burn on a smaller engine setup..............30 mph (26knots) @ 70 gallons per hour gets you approximately 514 miles of range......even cruising at the stated 25 mph (22knots) wouldn't increase the range by much, would it? 1.3 mil for a weekend cruiser? Can this be right? Is this boat's tankage too little for it's size and ability? Bob Clinkenbeard 24' custom trailer trawler http://home.bellsouth.net/p/PWP-aboardbobbinalong

BC

Bob Clinkenbeard

Fri, Jan 12, 2007 12:00 PM

Oh yeah...note that the Yachtworld boat has less than 300 hours on the
engines in 4 years?

Bob Clinkenbeard
24' custom trailer trawler
http://home.bellsouth.net/p/PWP-aboardbobbinalong

Oh yeah...note that the Yachtworld boat has less than 300 hours on the engines in 4 years? Bob Clinkenbeard 24' custom trailer trawler http://home.bellsouth.net/p/PWP-aboardbobbinalong

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