Hello,
I just scored an HP 5071A in excellent condition, and to my amazement it
warms up and locks to the cesium as it should. Here are my questions:
Thanks,
Stan
Stan I don't own a 5071. It sounds like you really did score a heck of a
nice piece of gear.
With respect to the batteries if original are available thats the way to
go. You should have the make and model number on the batteries.
If not then I firmly believe the same shape, AH, and size SLA will work.
Also I seem to remember you could connect an external battery. I had a 5071
here for 3 months a number of years ago. If substituting a battery the new
ones typically have the float voltage stamped on them or in the spec sheet.
Just check that the 5071 is operating at the right voltage. To low and
never fully charges. To high and you heat the battery. Both issues shorten
life and available current.
Congrats
Paul
WB8TSL
On Wed, May 10, 2023 at 8:58 PM Stan via time-nuts time-nuts@lists.febo.com
wrote:
Hello,
I just scored an HP 5071A in excellent condition, and to my amazement it
warms up and locks to the cesium as it should. Here are my questions:
What are the ideal values for the various parameters that are
displayed on the LCD screen? The Symmetricom manual shows only a range of
expected values, with no indication of which values are more desirable than
others.
2. Which of these parameters give an indication of the
health/remaining
life in the cesium tube? The tube is a 10890A, with serial number prefix
3839A.
3. The SLA batteries in my 5071A are essentially dead. I'm trying to
charge them but do not hold out much hope. Are the OEM batteries still
available? If not, can I substitute a couple of more generic 12V 2.5AH SLA
batteries, like the Power-Sonic PS-1220, assuming that they will physically
fit into the battery box?
4. For the trivia experts: it appears that there are attach points for
strap handles on the sides of the 5071A, but I've never seen a photo of one
with those handles installed. What is the reasoning behind this?
Thanks,
Stan
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On 5/10/2023 5:31 PM, Stan via time-nuts wrote:
Hello,
I just scored an HP 5071A in excellent condition, and to my amazement it
warms up and locks to the cesium as it should. Here are my questions:
I have had enough bad luck with PowerSonic batteries that I no longer
buy them. (In a UPS setting, they failed in under 6 months' time of
mild use, and the dealer was Useless on RMA. I did not weigh the first
set of batteries, but the 2nd set were all under-weight.) I have had
MUCH better luck with RainGroup batteries. Maybe consider:
https://www.raiongroup.com/12v-2-3ah-rechargeable-sla-battery-with-agm-technology/
Thanks,
Stan
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Hi Stan,
Well, that's the deal of a lifetime. Congratulations.
You can grab a digital summary of the readings by sending the
syst:print? command via the rs232 port. It looks something like this:
Freq Offset: 0e-15 Osc. control: -6.14 %
RF amplitude 1: 27.9 % RF amplitude 2: 26.3 %
Zeeman Freq: 39949 Hz C-field curr: 12.170 mA
E-multiplier: 1318 V Signal Gain: 14.4 %
CBT Oven: 5.7 V CBT Oven Err: 0.04 C
Osc. Oven: -8.9 V Ion Pump: 0.4 uA
HW Ionizer: 1.0 V Mass spec: 11.9 V
SAW Tuning: 1.0 V DRO Tuning: 5.6 V
87MHz PLL: 0.9 V uP Clock PLL: 2.6 V
+12V supply: 12.3 V -12V supply: -12.2 V
+5V supply: 5.5 V Thermometer: 43.5 C
You can also get some additional diagnostic information by setting the
logging mode to verbose and then watch the rs232 port during the
power-up self-diagnostic and warm-up process.
If you plan to run the standard continuously then pay attention to the
operating parameters by, say, logging them once an hour. Decline in
short-term ADEV or rise in E/M voltage are the usual warning signs of EOL.
If you really must use the internal batteries, last I checked you an
still buy the 12V modules pre-assembled. Alternatively you can refurbish
the ones you have. Each battery module contains six Hawker / Gates /
Enersys 2.5 Ah Cyclon batteries. Personally, given the value of a 5071A
(or especially its 10890A tube), I would not substitute with a random
SLA you have lying around. The Cyclon batteries are another level of
reliability.
A DIY repair of the battery modules is possible. A spot welder is the
right way but soldering works too. See page 57 of:
http://leapsecond.com/ptti2020/2020-PTTI-tvb-Atomic-Timekeeping-Hobby.pdf
http://leapsecond.com/pages/atomic-bill/
/tvb
On 5/10/2023 5:31 PM, Stan via time-nuts wrote:
Hello,
I just scored an HP 5071A in excellent condition, and to my amazement it
warms up and locks to the cesium as it should. Here are my questions:
Thanks,
Stan
The handles are an artifact of the HP series II cabinet all the side panels
are fitted with handle mounts.
On Wed, May 10, 2023 at 11:47 PM paul swed via time-nuts <
time-nuts@lists.febo.com> wrote:
Stan I don't own a 5071. It sounds like you really did score a heck of a
nice piece of gear.
With respect to the batteries if original are available thats the way to
go. You should have the make and model number on the batteries.
If not then I firmly believe the same shape, AH, and size SLA will work.
Also I seem to remember you could connect an external battery. I had a 5071
here for 3 months a number of years ago. If substituting a battery the new
ones typically have the float voltage stamped on them or in the spec sheet.
Just check that the 5071 is operating at the right voltage. To low and
never fully charges. To high and you heat the battery. Both issues shorten
life and available current.
Congrats
Paul
WB8TSL
On Wed, May 10, 2023 at 8:58 PM Stan via time-nuts <
time-nuts@lists.febo.com>
wrote:
Hello,
I just scored an HP 5071A in excellent condition, and to my amazement it
warms up and locks to the cesium as it should. Here are my questions:
What are the ideal values for the various parameters that are
displayed on the LCD screen? The Symmetricom manual shows only a range of
expected values, with no indication of which values are more desirable
than
others.
2. Which of these parameters give an indication of the
health/remaining
life in the cesium tube? The tube is a 10890A, with serial number prefix
3839A.
3. The SLA batteries in my 5071A are essentially dead. I'm trying to
charge them but do not hold out much hope. Are the OEM batteries still
available? If not, can I substitute a couple of more generic 12V 2.5AH
SLA
batteries, like the Power-Sonic PS-1220, assuming that they will
physically
fit into the battery box?
4. For the trivia experts: it appears that there are attach points
for
strap handles on the sides of the 5071A, but I've never seen a photo of
one
with those handles installed. What is the reasoning behind this?
Thanks,
Stan
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