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Re: [PUP] More AIS

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Dave Cooper
Fri, Aug 10, 2007 7:43 PM

<John wrote: I've seen a number of things that report as "Base Stations" on
AIS.  Not sure it that's an ATON. I've seen them at ranges out to 60 miles.>

If I recall you have a Furuno AIS. Is this true or is my CRS acting up
again?

We have been told that these AIS units may be replacing lighthouses if they
are on land and leading sea buoys if they are in the water. How much of this
is true seems to be hard to find out.

In the UK there are many many of these "base stations". More to follow
according to a UL friend of mine. The new "smart buoys" will be equipped
with SIS transmitters to help their identification and also as an ATON.

Coastal Explorer only identifies them as "base stations" with their MMSI
numbers, location and accuracy of location. I have an earlier version of the
Captn which does a similar readout, Sea Clear also. Sure would be nice if
the software computed the range, bearing, CPA, etc as it does on ships.

I can see lots of great uses for all of this....looks like the software
folks have to catch up with it.

Cheers

Dave & Nancy
Swan Song
Roughwater 58

<John wrote: I've seen a number of things that report as "Base Stations" on AIS. Not sure it that's an ATON. I've seen them at ranges out to 60 miles.> If I recall you have a Furuno AIS. Is this true or is my CRS acting up again? We have been told that these AIS units may be replacing lighthouses if they are on land and leading sea buoys if they are in the water. How much of this is true seems to be hard to find out. In the UK there are many many of these "base stations". More to follow according to a UL friend of mine. The new "smart buoys" will be equipped with SIS transmitters to help their identification and also as an ATON. Coastal Explorer only identifies them as "base stations" with their MMSI numbers, location and accuracy of location. I have an earlier version of the Captn which does a similar readout, Sea Clear also. Sure would be nice if the software computed the range, bearing, CPA, etc as it does on ships. I can see lots of great uses for all of this....looks like the software folks have to catch up with it. Cheers Dave & Nancy Swan Song Roughwater 58
JM
John Marshall
Sat, Aug 11, 2007 4:57 AM

<Dave> To your question, I have the Furuno Class A AIS.

The base stations have a name, not just an MMSI, but I haven't
bothered to scroll through all the data to see what I can learn. I
tend to ignore them... not sure what to with them, other than perhaps
as a fourth level of navigation backup.  I'll check to see what info
is on the fixed station pages next time I fire up the AIS.

Lately, I've been getting fixed stations and ships at such distances
that I've had Nobeltec filter the targets to only track ships within
20 miles of me. Before filtering, I had over a eighty targets
(Straits of Juan de Fuca) with the furthest ones at 80+ miles. No
data at that range other than location, SOG and MMSI, but the system
was still diligently tracking them. Good thing I have a high-end
desktop computer to run Nobeltec.

As more transceivers are sold, filtering is going to be a real issue.

It would be nice if ENav vendors gave us some options. For instance,
I'd like to know when those 32+ knot ferries are coming when they're
still 30 or so miles out. 20 knot freighters at 20 miles is cool.
8-10 knot trawlers and tugs at 10 miles is good.

I guess what I'm hoping for is a Time to CPA filter capability. That
would let me sort out risks by required decision time, not just by
distance.

Also different symbols on the screen for different ship types. Tugs
with long tows are a particular concern up here. I spend a lot of
time scrolling through the screens to sort out the tugs with short or
long tow (AIS shows the tug, not the tow way behind it) and making
crossing decisions accordingly.

On the other hand, it gives me something to do as the autopilot
drives. Guess I shouldn't complain.

Last point... its easy to get complacent watching the shipping lanes
via an AIS overlay on Nobelec. It looks so orderly, seeing those AIS
targets marching up and down the lanes on the map, and making
crossing decisions based on that. Well, today, I got closer than I'd
like to a very big Navy warship screaming down the shipping lane at
nearly 30 knots. No AIS. I realized I was depending too much on the
wonder box to show me the big boys.

(For some strange reason, CG and Navy ships don't advertise their
positions. <wink>)

John Marshall
N5520-Serendipity

On Aug 10, 2007, at 12:43 PM, Dave Cooper wrote:

<John wrote: I've seen a number of things that report as "Base
Stations" on
AIS.  Not sure it that's an ATON. I've seen them at ranges out to
60 miles.>

If I recall you have a Furuno AIS. Is this true or is my CRS acting up
again?

We have been told that these AIS units may be replacing lighthouses
if they
are on land and leading sea buoys if they are in the water. How
much of this
is true seems to be hard to find out.

In the UK there are many many of these "base stations". More to follow
according to a UL friend of mine. The new "smart buoys" will be
equipped
with SIS transmitters to help their identification and also as an
ATON.

Coastal Explorer only identifies them as "base stations" with their
MMSI
numbers, location and accuracy of location. I have an earlier
version of the
Captn which does a similar readout, Sea Clear also. Sure would be
nice if
the software computed the range, bearing, CPA, etc as it does on
ships.

I can see lots of great uses for all of this....looks like the
software
folks have to catch up with it.

Cheers

Dave & Nancy
Swan Song
Roughwater 58


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<Dave> To your question, I have the Furuno Class A AIS. The base stations have a name, not just an MMSI, but I haven't bothered to scroll through all the data to see what I can learn. I tend to ignore them... not sure what to with them, other than perhaps as a fourth level of navigation backup. I'll check to see what info is on the fixed station pages next time I fire up the AIS. Lately, I've been getting fixed stations and ships at such distances that I've had Nobeltec filter the targets to only track ships within 20 miles of me. Before filtering, I had over a eighty targets (Straits of Juan de Fuca) with the furthest ones at 80+ miles. No data at that range other than location, SOG and MMSI, but the system was still diligently tracking them. Good thing I have a high-end desktop computer to run Nobeltec. As more transceivers are sold, filtering is going to be a real issue. It would be nice if ENav vendors gave us some options. For instance, I'd like to know when those 32+ knot ferries are coming when they're still 30 or so miles out. 20 knot freighters at 20 miles is cool. 8-10 knot trawlers and tugs at 10 miles is good. I guess what I'm hoping for is a Time to CPA filter capability. That would let me sort out risks by required decision time, not just by distance. Also different symbols on the screen for different ship types. Tugs with long tows are a particular concern up here. I spend a lot of time scrolling through the screens to sort out the tugs with short or long tow (AIS shows the tug, not the tow way behind it) and making crossing decisions accordingly. On the other hand, it gives me something to do as the autopilot drives. Guess I shouldn't complain. Last point... its easy to get complacent watching the shipping lanes via an AIS overlay on Nobelec. It looks so orderly, seeing those AIS targets marching up and down the lanes on the map, and making crossing decisions based on that. Well, today, I got closer than I'd like to a very big Navy warship screaming down the shipping lane at nearly 30 knots. No AIS. I realized I was depending too much on the wonder box to show me the big boys. (For some strange reason, CG and Navy ships don't advertise their positions. <wink>) John Marshall N5520-Serendipity On Aug 10, 2007, at 12:43 PM, Dave Cooper wrote: > <John wrote: I've seen a number of things that report as "Base > Stations" on > AIS. Not sure it that's an ATON. I've seen them at ranges out to > 60 miles.> > > If I recall you have a Furuno AIS. Is this true or is my CRS acting up > again? > > We have been told that these AIS units may be replacing lighthouses > if they > are on land and leading sea buoys if they are in the water. How > much of this > is true seems to be hard to find out. > > In the UK there are many many of these "base stations". More to follow > according to a UL friend of mine. The new "smart buoys" will be > equipped > with SIS transmitters to help their identification and also as an > ATON. > > Coastal Explorer only identifies them as "base stations" with their > MMSI > numbers, location and accuracy of location. I have an earlier > version of the > Captn which does a similar readout, Sea Clear also. Sure would be > nice if > the software computed the range, bearing, CPA, etc as it does on > ships. > > I can see lots of great uses for all of this....looks like the > software > folks have to catch up with it. > > Cheers > > Dave & Nancy > Swan Song > Roughwater 58 > _______________________________________________ > http://lists.samurai.com/mailman/listinfo/passagemaking-under-power > > To unsubscribe send email to > passagemaking-under-power-request@lists.samurai.com with the word > UNSUBSCRIBE and nothing else in the subject or body of the message. > > Passagemaking Under Power and PUP are trademarks of Water World > Productions, formerly known as Trawler World Productions.