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GYMKIDD319@aol.com

Thu, Dec 30, 2004 10:33 PM

In June Alex posted:
".. Baldwin's recommendations for element selection are based on system
capacity vs. the amount of coolant ADDITIVE that is built in to the filter.
Reading between the lines I surmise that the following elements have the same
filtering capacity but vary in the amount of additive and overall length..."

I am very worried that the additives may not be compatible with all
antifreeze formulations.
I would urge anyone adding such filters with additives to investigate
carefully: Perhaps Baldwin can confirm compatibility.

As many listees know, I posted DETAILED specs for 2 cycle Detroit Diesels
antifreeze after researching., January 2004. Antifreeze specs vary famong
engine manufacturers and coolants recommended for one brand of engines may be
specifically prohibited in another.

A related issue is that a number of common antifreezes are NOT made to work
with normally available additive supplements. Instead they are designed to be
replaced.

For those interested, the numerous posts I made in January 2004 referenced
numerous websites and discussed antifreeze formulations for Detroit 2 cycles
(53,71 and 92 series),
Cummins,Cats, Yanmars...

You'll have to scroll down January posts because it seems I used various
titles including DD antifreeze and Detroit Diesel Antifreeze and Antifreeze...look
for GYMKIDD319 in capitals, it's easy to pick them out...

Rob Brueckner
Hatteras Yachtfisherman

In June Alex posted: ".. Baldwin's recommendations for element selection are based on system capacity vs. the amount of coolant ADDITIVE that is built in to the filter. Reading between the lines I surmise that the following elements have the same filtering capacity but vary in the amount of additive and overall length..." I am very worried that the additives may not be compatible with all antifreeze formulations. I would urge anyone adding such filters with additives to investigate carefully: Perhaps Baldwin can confirm compatibility. As many listees know, I posted DETAILED specs for 2 cycle Detroit Diesels antifreeze after researching., January 2004. Antifreeze specs vary famong engine manufacturers and coolants recommended for one brand of engines may be specifically prohibited in another. A related issue is that a number of common antifreezes are NOT made to work with normally available additive supplements. Instead they are designed to be replaced. For those interested, the numerous posts I made in January 2004 referenced numerous websites and discussed antifreeze formulations for Detroit 2 cycles (53,71 and 92 series), Cummins,Cats, Yanmars... You'll have to scroll down January posts because it seems I used various titles including DD antifreeze and Detroit Diesel Antifreeze and Antifreeze...look for GYMKIDD319 in capitals, it's easy to pick them out... Rob Brueckner Hatteras Yachtfisherman

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Terrence Neill

Fri, Dec 31, 2004 12:59 AM

I'm a bit puzzled by this whole thread. I thought that the whole point of a
coolant filter and the additives was to replace antifreeze, not supplement
it. I use plain water, plus the specified amount of additive and the
specified filter on my Cummins. I test for nitiriles, etc. each time I
change oil and correct the mix as ordered by the test kit. No antifreeze. Am
I nuts?

Terry
Tamarack

I'm a bit puzzled by this whole thread. I thought that the whole point of a coolant filter and the additives was to replace antifreeze, not supplement it. I use plain water, plus the specified amount of additive and the specified filter on my Cummins. I test for nitiriles, etc. each time I change oil and correct the mix as ordered by the test kit. No antifreeze. Am I nuts? Terry Tamarack

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Alex Hirsekorn

Fri, Dec 31, 2004 2:58 AM

----- Original Message -----
From: GYMKIDD319@aol.com

I am very worried that the additives may not be compatible with all
antifreeze formulations.
I would urge anyone adding such filters with additives to
investigate
carefully: Perhaps Baldwin can confirm compatibility.

Rob,

The Baldwin catalog states that the additive block used in their
coolant filters is completely compatible with all ethylene glycol
based anti-freeze. If you would like to confirm this, it can be easily
done by calling the Baldwin Technical Hotline at 1-800-822-5394.

I'm sorry that you didn't choose to contact me earlier about this. It
must have been excruciating to have worried about the issue for the
six months that intervened between my post and your query.

Comfortingly yours,

Alex

----- Original Message ----- From: <GYMKIDD319@aol.com> > > I am very worried that the additives may not be compatible with all > antifreeze formulations. > I would urge anyone adding such filters with additives to > investigate > carefully: Perhaps Baldwin can confirm compatibility. > Rob, The Baldwin catalog states that the additive block used in their coolant filters is completely compatible with all ethylene glycol based anti-freeze. If you would like to confirm this, it can be easily done by calling the Baldwin Technical Hotline at 1-800-822-5394. I'm sorry that you didn't choose to contact me earlier about this. It must have been excruciating to have worried about the issue for the six months that intervened between my post and your query. Comfortingly yours, Alex

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Frank Burrows

Sat, Jan 1, 2005 2:59 AM

Terry:

I am also using plain water with coolant filtration on my old 6-71 Detroit
Diesels. I have done a lot of research and the consensus of the "experts"
is that unless you need freeze protection then just use water. I use block
heaters and engine room heaters in the winter and monitor the temperature
and power remotely.

In modern automobiles, antifreeze is required year round since it raises
the boiling point and this will prevent boiling over in the summer time.
These engines can reach 250 degrees under normal circumstances. Our diesels
don't run this hot and this is not an issue.

Frank Burrows 1979 43' Viking Piney Narrows Marina Chesapeake

you wrote:

I'm a bit puzzled by this whole thread. I thought that the whole point of a
coolant filter and the additives was to replace antifreeze, not supplement
it. I use plain water, plus the specified amount of additive and the
specified filter on my Cummins. I test for nitiriles, etc. each time I
change oil and correct the mix as ordered by the test kit. No antifreeze. Am
I nuts?

Terry: I am also using plain water with coolant filtration on my old 6-71 Detroit Diesels. I have done a lot of research and the consensus of the "experts" is that unless you need freeze protection then just use water. I use block heaters and engine room heaters in the winter and monitor the temperature and power remotely. In modern automobiles, antifreeze is required year round since it raises the boiling point and this will prevent boiling over in the summer time. These engines can reach 250 degrees under normal circumstances. Our diesels don't run this hot and this is not an issue. Frank Burrows 1979 43' Viking Piney Narrows Marina Chesapeake you wrote: >I'm a bit puzzled by this whole thread. I thought that the whole point of a >coolant filter and the additives was to replace antifreeze, not supplement >it. I use plain water, plus the specified amount of additive and the >specified filter on my Cummins. I test for nitiriles, etc. each time I >change oil and correct the mix as ordered by the test kit. No antifreeze. Am >I nuts?

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