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Clark, Hugh

Mon, Feb 20, 2012 1:19 AM

Friends: I’m trying to make sure I don’t offer some totally implausible numbers regarding a land reclamation project. Do the following numbers seem about right?

400 qing 頃[1 qing = 100 mu 畝 = ca. 16.5 acres; i.e., a total of ca.6,600 acres]

Hugh R. Clark, Ph.D.
Professor of History & East Asian Studies
Ursinus College

610-409-3299
hclark@ursinus.edu

Friends: I’m trying to make sure I don’t offer some totally implausible numbers regarding a land reclamation project. Do the following numbers seem about right? 400 qing 頃[1 qing = 100 mu 畝 = ca. 16.5 acres; i.e., a total of ca.6,600 acres] Hugh R. Clark, Ph.D. Professor of History & East Asian Studies Ursinus College 610-409-3299 hclark@ursinus.edu

PS

Paul Smith

Mon, Feb 20, 2012 1:52 AM

Hugh, we used a figure of ca. 14 acres/qing in CHC 5.1, which comes to 5600
acres. I'm sure that 14 was based on the Chinese reference works, but I'd
have to back-track to say which ones.

Paul

2012/2/19 Clark, Hugh hclark@ursinus.edu

Friends: I’m trying to make sure I don’t offer some totally implausible
numbers regarding a land reclamation project. Do the following numbers
seem about right?****

400* qing* 頃[1 qing = 100 mu 畝 = ca. 16.5 acres; i.e., a total of
ca.6,600 acres]****

Hugh R. Clark, Ph.D.****

Professor of History & East Asian Studies****

Ursinus College****

610-409-3299****

hclark@ursinus.edu****

Listserv mailing list
Listserv@mail.songyuan.org
http://mail.songyuan.org/mailman/listinfo/listserv_mail.songyuan.org

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Paul Jakov Smith 史樂民
John R. Coleman Professor of Social Sciences
Professor of History and East Asian Studies
Haverford College
Haverford PA 19041

Hugh, we used a figure of ca. 14 acres/qing in CHC 5.1, which comes to 5600 acres. I'm sure that 14 was based on the Chinese reference works, but I'd have to back-track to say which ones. Paul 2012/2/19 Clark, Hugh <hclark@ursinus.edu> > Friends: I’m trying to make sure I don’t offer some totally implausible > numbers regarding a land reclamation project. Do the following numbers > seem about right?**** > > ** ** > > 400* qing* 頃[1 *qing* = 100 *mu* 畝 = ca. 16.5 acres; i.e., a total of > ca.6,600 acres]**** > > ** ** > > ** ** > > ** ** > > ** ** > > Hugh R. Clark, Ph.D.**** > > Professor of History & East Asian Studies**** > > Ursinus College**** > > ** ** > > 610-409-3299**** > > hclark@ursinus.edu**** > > ** ** > > _______________________________________________ > Listserv mailing list > Listserv@mail.songyuan.org > http://mail.songyuan.org/mailman/listinfo/listserv_mail.songyuan.org > > -- Paul Jakov Smith 史樂民 John R. Coleman Professor of Social Sciences Professor of History and East Asian Studies Haverford College Haverford PA 19041

HW

Hongjie Wang

Mon, Feb 20, 2012 5:53 AM

Prof. Clark,
here is the conversion chart I got:
1 qing 頃 = 100 gongmu 公畝 = 15 shimu 市畝 = 2.471 acres (note there's
difference between Chinese mu and international mu or are which equals
100 square meters).

so 400 qing should be 988.4 acres total.

hope that helps.

Hongjie

On Sun, Feb 19, 2012 at 8:19 PM, Clark, Hugh hclark@ursinus.edu wrote:

Friends: I’m trying to make sure I don’t offer some totally implausible
numbers regarding a land reclamation project. Do the following numbers
seem about right?****

400* qing* 頃[1 qing = 100 mu 畝 = ca. 16.5 acres; i.e., a total of
ca.6,600 acres]****

Hugh R. Clark, Ph.D.****

Professor of History & East Asian Studies****

Ursinus College****

610-409-3299****

hclark@ursinus.edu****

Listserv mailing list
Listserv@mail.songyuan.org
http://mail.songyuan.org/mailman/listinfo/listserv_mail.songyuan.org

--

Hongjie Wang, Ph.D.
Assistant Professor of History
Armstrong Atlantic State University
Savannah GA 31419
PHONE: (912) 344-3130
hongjie.wang@armstrong.edu
http://armstrong.edu/history_journal
http://5d10k.wordpress.com/

"A superior man must be strong and resolute, for his burden is heavy and
the road is long. He takes benevolence as his burden. Is that not heavy?
Only with death does the road come to an end. Is that not long?" [The
Analects 8.7]

Prof. Clark, here is the conversion chart I got: 1 *qing* 頃 = 100 *gongmu* 公畝 = 15 *shimu* 市畝 = 2.471 acres (note there's difference between Chinese *mu* and international *mu* or are which equals 100 square meters). so 400 qing should be 988.4 acres total. hope that helps. Hongjie On Sun, Feb 19, 2012 at 8:19 PM, Clark, Hugh <hclark@ursinus.edu> wrote: > Friends: I’m trying to make sure I don’t offer some totally implausible > numbers regarding a land reclamation project. Do the following numbers > seem about right?**** > > ** ** > > 400* qing* 頃[1 *qing* = 100 *mu* 畝 = ca. 16.5 acres; i.e., a total of > ca.6,600 acres]**** > > ** ** > > ** ** > > ** ** > > ** ** > > Hugh R. Clark, Ph.D.**** > > Professor of History & East Asian Studies**** > > Ursinus College**** > > ** ** > > 610-409-3299**** > > hclark@ursinus.edu**** > > ** ** > > _______________________________________________ > Listserv mailing list > Listserv@mail.songyuan.org > http://mail.songyuan.org/mailman/listinfo/listserv_mail.songyuan.org > > -- ***************** Hongjie Wang, Ph.D. Assistant Professor of History Armstrong Atlantic State University Savannah GA 31419 PHONE: (912) 344-3130 hongjie.wang@armstrong.edu *http://armstrong.edu/history_journal* http://5d10k.wordpress.com/ "A superior man must be strong and resolute, for his burden is heavy and the road is long. He takes benevolence as his burden. Is that not heavy? Only with death does the road come to an end. Is that not long?" [The Analects 8.7]

HW

Hongjie Wang

Mon, Feb 20, 2012 7:25 AM

my mistake, just realized what I got is about hectare (公頃), not traditional
Chinese qing . then 1 qing should be something like 16.47 acres, 400 qing
would be 6589. so your original number should be good one. hoping my
calculation this time is not misleading. hongjie

On Mon, Feb 20, 2012 at 12:53 AM, Hongjie Wang
hongjie.wang@armstrong.eduwrote:

Prof. Clark,
here is the conversion chart I got:
1 qing 頃 = 100 gongmu 公畝 = 15 shimu 市畝 = 2.471 acres (note there's
difference between Chinese mu and international mu or are which
equals 100 square meters).

so 400 qing should be 988.4 acres total.

hope that helps.

Hongjie

On Sun, Feb 19, 2012 at 8:19 PM, Clark, Hugh hclark@ursinus.edu wrote:

Friends: I’m trying to make sure I don’t offer some totally
implausible numbers regarding a land reclamation project. Do the following
numbers seem about right?****

400* qing* 頃[1 qing = 100 mu 畝 = ca. 16.5 acres; i.e., a total of
ca.6,600 acres]****

Hugh R. Clark, Ph.D.****

Professor of History & East Asian Studies****

Ursinus College****

610-409-3299****

hclark@ursinus.edu****

Listserv mailing list
Listserv@mail.songyuan.org
http://mail.songyuan.org/mailman/listinfo/listserv_mail.songyuan.org

--

Hongjie Wang, Ph.D.
Assistant Professor of History
Armstrong Atlantic State University
Savannah GA 31419
PHONE: (912) 344-3130
hongjie.wang@armstrong.edu
http://armstrong.edu/history_journal
http://5d10k.wordpress.com/

"A superior man must be strong and resolute, for his burden is heavy and
the road is long. He takes benevolence as his burden. Is that not heavy?
Only with death does the road come to an end. Is that not long?" [The
Analects 8.7]

--

Hongjie Wang, Ph.D.
Assistant Professor of History
Armstrong Atlantic State University
Savannah GA 31419
PHONE: (912) 344-3130
hongjie.wang@armstrong.edu
http://armstrong.edu/history_journal
http://5d10k.wordpress.com/

"A superior man must be strong and resolute, for his burden is heavy and
the road is long. He takes benevolence as his burden. Is that not heavy?
Only with death does the road come to an end. Is that not long?" [The
Analects 8.7]

my mistake, just realized what I got is about hectare (公頃), not traditional Chinese *qing* . then 1 qing should be something like 16.47 acres, 400 qing would be 6589. so your original number should be good one. hoping my calculation this time is not misleading. hongjie On Mon, Feb 20, 2012 at 12:53 AM, Hongjie Wang <hongjie.wang@armstrong.edu>wrote: > Prof. Clark, > here is the conversion chart I got: > 1 *qing* 頃 = 100 *gongmu* 公畝 = 15 *shimu* 市畝 = 2.471 acres (note there's > difference between Chinese *mu* and international *mu* or are which > equals 100 square meters). > > so 400 qing should be 988.4 acres total. > > hope that helps. > > Hongjie > > > On Sun, Feb 19, 2012 at 8:19 PM, Clark, Hugh <hclark@ursinus.edu> wrote: > >> Friends: I’m trying to make sure I don’t offer some totally >> implausible numbers regarding a land reclamation project. Do the following >> numbers seem about right?**** >> >> ** ** >> >> 400* qing* 頃[1 *qing* = 100 *mu* 畝 = ca. 16.5 acres; i.e., a total of >> ca.6,600 acres]**** >> >> ** ** >> >> ** ** >> >> ** ** >> >> ** ** >> >> Hugh R. Clark, Ph.D.**** >> >> Professor of History & East Asian Studies**** >> >> Ursinus College**** >> >> ** ** >> >> 610-409-3299**** >> >> hclark@ursinus.edu**** >> >> ** ** >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Listserv mailing list >> Listserv@mail.songyuan.org >> http://mail.songyuan.org/mailman/listinfo/listserv_mail.songyuan.org >> >> > > > -- > ***************** > Hongjie Wang, Ph.D. > Assistant Professor of History > Armstrong Atlantic State University > Savannah GA 31419 > PHONE: (912) 344-3130 > hongjie.wang@armstrong.edu > *http://armstrong.edu/history_journal* > http://5d10k.wordpress.com/ > > "A superior man must be strong and resolute, for his burden is heavy and > the road is long. He takes benevolence as his burden. Is that not heavy? > Only with death does the road come to an end. Is that not long?" [The > Analects 8.7] > > -- ***************** Hongjie Wang, Ph.D. Assistant Professor of History Armstrong Atlantic State University Savannah GA 31419 PHONE: (912) 344-3130 hongjie.wang@armstrong.edu *http://armstrong.edu/history_journal* http://5d10k.wordpress.com/ "A superior man must be strong and resolute, for his burden is heavy and the road is long. He takes benevolence as his burden. Is that not heavy? Only with death does the road come to an end. Is that not long?" [The Analects 8.7]

JS

Jesse Sloane

Mon, Feb 20, 2012 1:10 PM

Just to offer a quick citeable (though not infallible) reference: The
Kadokawa Shinjigen 新字源 gives one Song/Yuan qing as 566.254 ares.
Thus 400 qing would be 226501.6 ares, which Google converts to 5596.976
acres. This is essentially the same as the conversion used for the
Cambridge History according to Prof. Smith.

Best,
JDS

2012/2/20 Hongjie Wang hongjie.wang@armstrong.edu

my mistake, just realized what I got is about hectare (公頃), not
traditional Chinese qing . then 1 qing should be something like 16.47
acres, 400 qing would be 6589. so your original number should be good one.
hoping my calculation this time is not misleading. hongjie

On Mon, Feb 20, 2012 at 12:53 AM, Hongjie Wang <hongjie.wang@armstrong.edu

wrote:

Prof. Clark,
here is the conversion chart I got:
1 qing 頃 = 100 gongmu 公畝 = 15 shimu 市畝 = 2.471 acres (note
there's difference between Chinese mu and international mu or are
which equals 100 square meters).

so 400 qing should be 988.4 acres total.

hope that helps.

Hongjie

On Sun, Feb 19, 2012 at 8:19 PM, Clark, Hugh hclark@ursinus.edu wrote:

Friends: I’m trying to make sure I don’t offer some totally
implausible numbers regarding a land reclamation project. Do the following
numbers seem about right?****

400* qing* 頃[1 qing = 100 mu 畝 = ca. 16.5 acres; i.e., a total of
ca.6,600 acres]****

Hugh R. Clark, Ph.D.****

Professor of History & East Asian Studies****

Ursinus College****

610-409-3299****

hclark@ursinus.edu****

Listserv mailing list
Listserv@mail.songyuan.org
http://mail.songyuan.org/mailman/listinfo/listserv_mail.songyuan.org

--

Hongjie Wang, Ph.D.
Assistant Professor of History
Armstrong Atlantic State University
Savannah GA 31419
PHONE: (912) 344-3130
hongjie.wang@armstrong.edu
http://armstrong.edu/history_journal
http://5d10k.wordpress.com/

"A superior man must be strong and resolute, for his burden is heavy and
the road is long. He takes benevolence as his burden. Is that not heavy?
Only with death does the road come to an end. Is that not long?" [The
Analects 8.7]

--

Hongjie Wang, Ph.D.
Assistant Professor of History
Armstrong Atlantic State University
Savannah GA 31419
PHONE: (912) 344-3130
hongjie.wang@armstrong.edu
http://armstrong.edu/history_journal
http://5d10k.wordpress.com/

"A superior man must be strong and resolute, for his burden is heavy and
the road is long. He takes benevolence as his burden. Is that not heavy?
Only with death does the road come to an end. Is that not long?" [The
Analects 8.7]

Listserv mailing list
Listserv@mail.songyuan.org
http://mail.songyuan.org/mailman/listinfo/listserv_mail.songyuan.org

Just to offer a quick citeable (though not infallible) reference: The Kadokawa Shinjigen 新字源 gives one Song/Yuan *qing* as 566.254 ares. Thus 400 qing would be 226501.6 ares, which Google converts to 5596.976 acres. This is essentially the same as the conversion used for the Cambridge History according to Prof. Smith. Best, JDS 2012/2/20 Hongjie Wang <hongjie.wang@armstrong.edu> > my mistake, just realized what I got is about hectare (公頃), not > traditional Chinese *qing* . then 1 qing should be something like 16.47 > acres, 400 qing would be 6589. so your original number should be good one. > hoping my calculation this time is not misleading. hongjie > > > On Mon, Feb 20, 2012 at 12:53 AM, Hongjie Wang <hongjie.wang@armstrong.edu > > wrote: > >> Prof. Clark, >> here is the conversion chart I got: >> 1 *qing* 頃 = 100 *gongmu* 公畝 = 15 *shimu* 市畝 = 2.471 acres (note >> there's difference between Chinese *mu* and international *mu* or are >> which equals 100 square meters). >> >> so 400 qing should be 988.4 acres total. >> >> hope that helps. >> >> Hongjie >> >> >> On Sun, Feb 19, 2012 at 8:19 PM, Clark, Hugh <hclark@ursinus.edu> wrote: >> >>> Friends: I’m trying to make sure I don’t offer some totally >>> implausible numbers regarding a land reclamation project. Do the following >>> numbers seem about right?**** >>> >>> ** ** >>> >>> 400* qing* 頃[1 *qing* = 100 *mu* 畝 = ca. 16.5 acres; i.e., a total of >>> ca.6,600 acres]**** >>> >>> ** ** >>> >>> ** ** >>> >>> ** ** >>> >>> ** ** >>> >>> Hugh R. Clark, Ph.D.**** >>> >>> Professor of History & East Asian Studies**** >>> >>> Ursinus College**** >>> >>> ** ** >>> >>> 610-409-3299**** >>> >>> hclark@ursinus.edu**** >>> >>> ** ** >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Listserv mailing list >>> Listserv@mail.songyuan.org >>> http://mail.songyuan.org/mailman/listinfo/listserv_mail.songyuan.org >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> ***************** >> Hongjie Wang, Ph.D. >> Assistant Professor of History >> Armstrong Atlantic State University >> Savannah GA 31419 >> PHONE: (912) 344-3130 >> hongjie.wang@armstrong.edu >> *http://armstrong.edu/history_journal* >> http://5d10k.wordpress.com/ >> >> "A superior man must be strong and resolute, for his burden is heavy and >> the road is long. He takes benevolence as his burden. Is that not heavy? >> Only with death does the road come to an end. Is that not long?" [The >> Analects 8.7] >> >> > > > -- > ***************** > Hongjie Wang, Ph.D. > Assistant Professor of History > Armstrong Atlantic State University > Savannah GA 31419 > PHONE: (912) 344-3130 > hongjie.wang@armstrong.edu > *http://armstrong.edu/history_journal* > http://5d10k.wordpress.com/ > > "A superior man must be strong and resolute, for his burden is heavy and > the road is long. He takes benevolence as his burden. Is that not heavy? > Only with death does the road come to an end. Is that not long?" [The > Analects 8.7] > > > _______________________________________________ > Listserv mailing list > Listserv@mail.songyuan.org > http://mail.songyuan.org/mailman/listinfo/listserv_mail.songyuan.org > >

HC

Hartman, Charles M

Mon, Feb 20, 2012 2:15 PM

Dear Hugh,

I think Paul's number is probably pretty close to the mark. I use the equivalents for Song weights and measures in Chang and Smythe, South China in the Twelfth Century, p. 25, which gives one qing equal to 13.99 acres, based on 1960's era Chinese scholarship. In his Harvard dissertation, Liu Guanglin also adopts this figure.

Take care,

charles hartman

From: listserv-bounces@mail.songyuan.org [listserv-bounces@mail.songyuan.org] on behalf of Hongjie Wang [hongjie.wang@armstrong.edu]
Sent: Monday, February 20, 2012 2:25 AM
To: Clark, Hugh
Cc: listserv@mail.songyuan.org
Subject: Re: [Song-Yuan Listserv] measurements

my mistake, just realized what I got is about hectare (公頃), not traditional Chinese qing . then 1 qing should be something like 16.47 acres, 400 qing would be 6589. so your original number should be good one. hoping my calculation this time is not misleading. hongjie

On Mon, Feb 20, 2012 at 12:53 AM, Hongjie Wang <hongjie.wang@armstrong.edu mailto:hongjie.wang@armstrong.edu> wrote:
Prof. Clark,
here is the conversion chart I got:
1 qing 頃 = 100 gongmu 公畝 = 15 shimu 市畝 = 2.471 acres (note there's difference between Chinese mu and international mu or are which equals 100 square meters).

so 400 qing should be 988.4 acres total.

hope that helps.

Hongjie

On Sun, Feb 19, 2012 at 8:19 PM, Clark, Hugh <hclark@ursinus.edu mailto:hclark@ursinus.edu> wrote:
Friends: I’m trying to make sure I don’t offer some totally implausible numbers regarding a land reclamation project. Do the following numbers seem about right?

400 qing 頃[1 qing = 100 mu 畝 = ca. 16.5 acres; i.e., a total of ca.6,600 acres]

Hugh R. Clark, Ph.D.
Professor of History & East Asian Studies
Ursinus College

610-409-3299tel:610-409-3299
hclark@ursinus.edu mailto:hclark@ursinus.edu

Listserv mailing list
Listserv@mail.songyuan.org mailto:Listserv@mail.songyuan.org
http://mail.songyuan.org/mailman/listinfo/listserv_mail.songyuan.org

--

Hongjie Wang, Ph.D.
Assistant Professor of History
Armstrong Atlantic State University
Savannah GA 31419
PHONE: (912) 344-3130tel:%28912%29%20344-3130
hongjie.wang@armstrong.edu mailto:hongjie.wang@armstrong.edu
http://armstrong.edu/history_journal
http://5d10k.wordpress.com/

"A superior man must be strong and resolute, for his burden is heavy and the road is long. He takes benevolence as his burden. Is that not heavy? Only with death does the road come to an end. Is that not long?" [The Analects 8.7]

--

Hongjie Wang, Ph.D.
Assistant Professor of History
Armstrong Atlantic State University
Savannah GA 31419
PHONE: (912) 344-3130
hongjie.wang@armstrong.edu mailto:hongjie.wang@armstrong.edu
http://armstrong.edu/history_journal
http://5d10k.wordpress.com/

"A superior man must be strong and resolute, for his burden is heavy and the road is long. He takes benevolence as his burden. Is that not heavy? Only with death does the road come to an end. Is that not long?" [The Analects 8.7]

Dear Hugh, I think Paul's number is probably pretty close to the mark. I use the equivalents for Song weights and measures in Chang and Smythe, South China in the Twelfth Century, p. 25, which gives one qing equal to 13.99 acres, based on 1960's era Chinese scholarship. In his Harvard dissertation, Liu Guanglin also adopts this figure. Take care, charles hartman ________________________________ From: listserv-bounces@mail.songyuan.org [listserv-bounces@mail.songyuan.org] on behalf of Hongjie Wang [hongjie.wang@armstrong.edu] Sent: Monday, February 20, 2012 2:25 AM To: Clark, Hugh Cc: listserv@mail.songyuan.org Subject: Re: [Song-Yuan Listserv] measurements my mistake, just realized what I got is about hectare (公頃), not traditional Chinese qing . then 1 qing should be something like 16.47 acres, 400 qing would be 6589. so your original number should be good one. hoping my calculation this time is not misleading. hongjie On Mon, Feb 20, 2012 at 12:53 AM, Hongjie Wang <hongjie.wang@armstrong.edu<mailto:hongjie.wang@armstrong.edu>> wrote: Prof. Clark, here is the conversion chart I got: 1 qing 頃 = 100 gongmu 公畝 = 15 shimu 市畝 = 2.471 acres (note there's difference between Chinese mu and international mu or are which equals 100 square meters). so 400 qing should be 988.4 acres total. hope that helps. Hongjie On Sun, Feb 19, 2012 at 8:19 PM, Clark, Hugh <hclark@ursinus.edu<mailto:hclark@ursinus.edu>> wrote: Friends: I’m trying to make sure I don’t offer some totally implausible numbers regarding a land reclamation project. Do the following numbers seem about right? 400 qing 頃[1 qing = 100 mu 畝 = ca. 16.5 acres; i.e., a total of ca.6,600 acres] Hugh R. Clark, Ph.D. Professor of History & East Asian Studies Ursinus College 610-409-3299<tel:610-409-3299> hclark@ursinus.edu<mailto:hclark@ursinus.edu> _______________________________________________ Listserv mailing list Listserv@mail.songyuan.org<mailto:Listserv@mail.songyuan.org> http://mail.songyuan.org/mailman/listinfo/listserv_mail.songyuan.org -- ***************** Hongjie Wang, Ph.D. Assistant Professor of History Armstrong Atlantic State University Savannah GA 31419 PHONE: (912) 344-3130<tel:%28912%29%20344-3130> hongjie.wang@armstrong.edu<mailto:hongjie.wang@armstrong.edu> http://armstrong.edu/history_journal http://5d10k.wordpress.com/ "A superior man must be strong and resolute, for his burden is heavy and the road is long. He takes benevolence as his burden. Is that not heavy? Only with death does the road come to an end. Is that not long?" [The Analects 8.7] -- ***************** Hongjie Wang, Ph.D. Assistant Professor of History Armstrong Atlantic State University Savannah GA 31419 PHONE: (912) 344-3130 hongjie.wang@armstrong.edu<mailto:hongjie.wang@armstrong.edu> http://armstrong.edu/history_journal http://5d10k.wordpress.com/ "A superior man must be strong and resolute, for his burden is heavy and the road is long. He takes benevolence as his burden. Is that not heavy? Only with death does the road come to an end. Is that not long?" [The Analects 8.7]

MS

Morten Schlütter

Mon, Feb 20, 2012 6:18 PM

It seems no one has mentioned this article yet, but it is one that I have found extremely helpful:

Hargett, James M., and Jun Wenren. “The Measures Li and Mou during the Song, Liao, and Jin Dynasties.” Bulletin of Sung-Yuan Studies 21 (1989): 8–30.

It is especially noteworthy that these measurements never become completely standardized during the Song.

Best, Morten

Morten Schlütter
Department of Religious Studies
The University of Iowa
Iowa City, IA 52242

Ph.: 319-335-2165

On Feb 20, 2012, at 7:10 AM, Jesse Sloane wrote:

Just to offer a quick citeable (though not infallible) reference: The Kadokawa Shinjigen 新字源 gives one Song/Yuan qing as 566.254 ares.
Thus 400 qing would be 226501.6 ares, which Google converts to 5596.976 acres. This is essentially the same as the conversion used for the Cambridge History according to Prof. Smith.

Best,
JDS

2012/2/20 Hongjie Wang hongjie.wang@armstrong.edu
my mistake, just realized what I got is about hectare (公頃), not traditional Chinese qing . then 1 qing should be something like 16.47 acres, 400 qing would be 6589. so your original number should be good one. hoping my calculation this time is not misleading. hongjie

On Mon, Feb 20, 2012 at 12:53 AM, Hongjie Wang hongjie.wang@armstrong.edu wrote:
Prof. Clark,
here is the conversion chart I got:
1 qing 頃 = 100 gongmu 公畝 = 15 shimu 市畝 = 2.471 acres (note there's difference between Chinese mu and international mu or are which equals 100 square meters).

so 400 qing should be 988.4 acres total.

hope that helps.

Hongjie

On Sun, Feb 19, 2012 at 8:19 PM, Clark, Hugh hclark@ursinus.edu wrote:
Friends: I’m trying to make sure I don’t offer some totally implausible numbers regarding a land reclamation project. Do the following numbers seem about right?

400 qing 頃[1 qing = 100 mu 畝 = ca. 16.5 acres; i.e., a total of ca.6,600 acres]

Hugh R. Clark, Ph.D.

Professor of History & East Asian Studies

Ursinus College

610-409-3299

hclark@ursinus.edu

Listserv mailing list
Listserv@mail.songyuan.org
http://mail.songyuan.org/mailman/listinfo/listserv_mail.songyuan.org

--

Hongjie Wang, Ph.D.
Assistant Professor of History
Armstrong Atlantic State University
Savannah GA 31419
PHONE: (912) 344-3130
hongjie.wang@armstrong.edu
http://armstrong.edu/history_journal
http://5d10k.wordpress.com/

"A superior man must be strong and resolute, for his burden is heavy and the road is long. He takes benevolence as his burden. Is that not heavy? Only with death does the road come to an end. Is that not long?" [The Analects 8.7]

--

Hongjie Wang, Ph.D.
Assistant Professor of History
Armstrong Atlantic State University
Savannah GA 31419
PHONE: (912) 344-3130
hongjie.wang@armstrong.edu
http://armstrong.edu/history_journal
http://5d10k.wordpress.com/

"A superior man must be strong and resolute, for his burden is heavy and the road is long. He takes benevolence as his burden. Is that not heavy? Only with death does the road come to an end. Is that not long?" [The Analects 8.7]

Listserv mailing list
Listserv@mail.songyuan.org
http://mail.songyuan.org/mailman/listinfo/listserv_mail.songyuan.org

It seems no one has mentioned this article yet, but it is one that I have found extremely helpful: Hargett, James M., and Jun Wenren. “The Measures Li and Mou during the Song, Liao, and Jin Dynasties.” Bulletin of Sung-Yuan Studies 21 (1989): 8–30. It is especially noteworthy that these measurements never become completely standardized during the Song. Best, Morten --- Morten Schlütter Department of Religious Studies The University of Iowa Iowa City, IA 52242 Ph.: 319-335-2165 On Feb 20, 2012, at 7:10 AM, Jesse Sloane wrote: > Just to offer a quick citeable (though not infallible) reference: The Kadokawa Shinjigen 新字源 gives one Song/Yuan qing as 566.254 ares. > Thus 400 qing would be 226501.6 ares, which Google converts to 5596.976 acres. This is essentially the same as the conversion used for the Cambridge History according to Prof. Smith. > > Best, > JDS > > 2012/2/20 Hongjie Wang <hongjie.wang@armstrong.edu> > my mistake, just realized what I got is about hectare (公頃), not traditional Chinese qing . then 1 qing should be something like 16.47 acres, 400 qing would be 6589. so your original number should be good one. hoping my calculation this time is not misleading. hongjie > > > On Mon, Feb 20, 2012 at 12:53 AM, Hongjie Wang <hongjie.wang@armstrong.edu> wrote: > Prof. Clark, > here is the conversion chart I got: > 1 qing 頃 = 100 gongmu 公畝 = 15 shimu 市畝 = 2.471 acres (note there's difference between Chinese mu and international mu or are which equals 100 square meters). > > so 400 qing should be 988.4 acres total. > > hope that helps. > > Hongjie > > > On Sun, Feb 19, 2012 at 8:19 PM, Clark, Hugh <hclark@ursinus.edu> wrote: > Friends: I’m trying to make sure I don’t offer some totally implausible numbers regarding a land reclamation project. Do the following numbers seem about right? > > > > 400 qing 頃[1 qing = 100 mu 畝 = ca. 16.5 acres; i.e., a total of ca.6,600 acres] > > > > > > > > > > Hugh R. Clark, Ph.D. > > Professor of History & East Asian Studies > > Ursinus College > > > > 610-409-3299 > > hclark@ursinus.edu > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Listserv mailing list > Listserv@mail.songyuan.org > http://mail.songyuan.org/mailman/listinfo/listserv_mail.songyuan.org > > > > > -- > ***************** > Hongjie Wang, Ph.D. > Assistant Professor of History > Armstrong Atlantic State University > Savannah GA 31419 > PHONE: (912) 344-3130 > hongjie.wang@armstrong.edu > http://armstrong.edu/history_journal > http://5d10k.wordpress.com/ > > "A superior man must be strong and resolute, for his burden is heavy and the road is long. He takes benevolence as his burden. Is that not heavy? Only with death does the road come to an end. Is that not long?" [The Analects 8.7] > > > > > -- > ***************** > Hongjie Wang, Ph.D. > Assistant Professor of History > Armstrong Atlantic State University > Savannah GA 31419 > PHONE: (912) 344-3130 > hongjie.wang@armstrong.edu > http://armstrong.edu/history_journal > http://5d10k.wordpress.com/ > > "A superior man must be strong and resolute, for his burden is heavy and the road is long. He takes benevolence as his burden. Is that not heavy? Only with death does the road come to an end. Is that not long?" [The Analects 8.7] > > > _______________________________________________ > Listserv mailing list > Listserv@mail.songyuan.org > http://mail.songyuan.org/mailman/listinfo/listserv_mail.songyuan.org > > > _______________________________________________ > Listserv mailing list > Listserv@mail.songyuan.org > http://mail.songyuan.org/mailman/listinfo/listserv_mail.songyuan.org

PS

Paul Smith

Mon, Feb 20, 2012 7:41 PM

Morten, thanks for that valuable reminder.

PJS

2012/2/20 Morten Schlütter morten-schlutter@uiowa.edu

It seems no one has mentioned this article yet, but it is one that I have
found extremely helpful:

Hargett, James M., and Jun Wenren. “The Measures Li and Mou during the
Song, Liao, and Jin Dynasties.” Bulletin of Sung-Yuan Studies 21 (1989):
8–30.

It is especially noteworthy that these measurements never become
completely standardized during the Song.

Best, Morten

Morten Schlütter
Department of Religious Studies
The University of Iowa
Iowa City, IA 52242

Ph.: 319-335-2165

On Feb 20, 2012, at 7:10 AM, Jesse Sloane wrote:

Just to offer a quick citeable (though not infallible) reference: The
Kadokawa Shinjigen 新字源 gives one Song/Yuan qing as 566.254 ares.
Thus 400 qing would be 226501.6 ares, which Google converts to 5596.976
acres. This is essentially the same as the conversion used for the
Cambridge History according to Prof. Smith.

Best,
JDS

2012/2/20 Hongjie Wang hongjie.wang@armstrong.edu

my mistake, just realized what I got is about hectare (公頃), not
traditional Chinese qing . then 1 qing should be something like 16.47
acres, 400 qing would be 6589. so your original number should be good one.
hoping my calculation this time is not misleading. hongjie

On Mon, Feb 20, 2012 at 12:53 AM, Hongjie Wang <
hongjie.wang@armstrong.edu> wrote:

Prof. Clark,
here is the conversion chart I got:
1 qing 頃 = 100 gongmu 公畝 = 15 shimu 市畝 = 2.471 acres (note
there's difference between Chinese mu and international mu or are
which equals 100 square meters).

so 400 qing should be 988.4 acres total.

hope that helps.

Hongjie

On Sun, Feb 19, 2012 at 8:19 PM, Clark, Hugh hclark@ursinus.edu wrote:

Friends: I’m trying to make sure I don’t offer some totally
implausible numbers regarding a land reclamation project. Do the following
numbers seem about right?****

400* qing* 頃[1 qing = 100 mu 畝 = ca. 16.5 acres; i.e., a total of
ca.6,600 acres]****

Hugh R. Clark, Ph.D.****

Professor of History & East Asian Studies****

Ursinus College****

610-409-3299****

hclark@ursinus.edu****

Listserv mailing list
Listserv@mail.songyuan.org
http://mail.songyuan.org/mailman/listinfo/listserv_mail.songyuan.org

--

Hongjie Wang, Ph.D.
Assistant Professor of History
Armstrong Atlantic State University
Savannah GA 31419
PHONE: (912) 344-3130
hongjie.wang@armstrong.edu
http://armstrong.edu/history_journal
http://5d10k.wordpress.com/

"A superior man must be strong and resolute, for his burden is heavy and
the road is long. He takes benevolence as his burden. Is that not heavy?
Only with death does the road come to an end. Is that not long?" [The
Analects 8.7]

--

Hongjie Wang, Ph.D.
Assistant Professor of History
Armstrong Atlantic State University
Savannah GA 31419
PHONE: (912) 344-3130
hongjie.wang@armstrong.edu
http://armstrong.edu/history_journal
http://5d10k.wordpress.com/

"A superior man must be strong and resolute, for his burden is heavy and
the road is long. He takes benevolence as his burden. Is that not heavy?
Only with death does the road come to an end. Is that not long?" [The
Analects 8.7]

Listserv mailing list
Listserv@mail.songyuan.org
http://mail.songyuan.org/mailman/listinfo/listserv_mail.songyuan.org

--
Paul Jakov Smith 史樂民
John R. Coleman Professor of Social Sciences
Professor of History and East Asian Studies
Haverford College
Haverford PA 19041

Morten, thanks for that valuable reminder. PJS 2012/2/20 Morten Schlütter <morten-schlutter@uiowa.edu> > It seems no one has mentioned this article yet, but it is one that I have > found extremely helpful: > > Hargett, James M., and Jun Wenren. “The Measures Li and Mou during the > Song, Liao, and Jin Dynasties.” Bulletin of Sung-Yuan Studies 21 (1989): > 8–30. > > It is especially noteworthy that these measurements never become > completely standardized during the Song. > > Best, Morten > > --- > Morten Schlütter > Department of Religious Studies > The University of Iowa > Iowa City, IA 52242 > > Ph.: 319-335-2165 > > > > On Feb 20, 2012, at 7:10 AM, Jesse Sloane wrote: > > Just to offer a quick citeable (though not infallible) reference: The > Kadokawa Shinjigen 新字源 gives one Song/Yuan *qing* as 566.254 ares. > Thus 400 qing would be 226501.6 ares, which Google converts to 5596.976 > acres. This is essentially the same as the conversion used for the > Cambridge History according to Prof. Smith. > > Best, > JDS > > 2012/2/20 Hongjie Wang <hongjie.wang@armstrong.edu> > >> my mistake, just realized what I got is about hectare (公頃), not >> traditional Chinese *qing* . then 1 qing should be something like 16.47 >> acres, 400 qing would be 6589. so your original number should be good one. >> hoping my calculation this time is not misleading. hongjie >> >> >> On Mon, Feb 20, 2012 at 12:53 AM, Hongjie Wang < >> hongjie.wang@armstrong.edu> wrote: >> >>> Prof. Clark, >>> here is the conversion chart I got: >>> 1 *qing* 頃 = 100 *gongmu* 公畝 = 15 *shimu* 市畝 = 2.471 acres (note >>> there's difference between Chinese *mu* and international *mu* or are >>> which equals 100 square meters). >>> >>> so 400 qing should be 988.4 acres total. >>> >>> hope that helps. >>> >>> Hongjie >>> >>> >>> On Sun, Feb 19, 2012 at 8:19 PM, Clark, Hugh <hclark@ursinus.edu> wrote: >>> >>>> Friends: I’m trying to make sure I don’t offer some totally >>>> implausible numbers regarding a land reclamation project. Do the following >>>> numbers seem about right?**** >>>> >>>> ** ** >>>> >>>> 400* qing* 頃[1 *qing* = 100 *mu* 畝 = ca. 16.5 acres; i.e., a total of >>>> ca.6,600 acres]**** >>>> >>>> ** ** >>>> >>>> ** ** >>>> >>>> ** ** >>>> >>>> ** ** >>>> >>>> Hugh R. Clark, Ph.D.**** >>>> >>>> Professor of History & East Asian Studies**** >>>> >>>> Ursinus College**** >>>> >>>> ** ** >>>> >>>> 610-409-3299**** >>>> >>>> hclark@ursinus.edu**** >>>> >>>> ** ** >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Listserv mailing list >>>> Listserv@mail.songyuan.org >>>> http://mail.songyuan.org/mailman/listinfo/listserv_mail.songyuan.org >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> ***************** >>> Hongjie Wang, Ph.D. >>> Assistant Professor of History >>> Armstrong Atlantic State University >>> Savannah GA 31419 >>> PHONE: (912) 344-3130 >>> hongjie.wang@armstrong.edu >>> *http://armstrong.edu/history_journal* >>> http://5d10k.wordpress.com/ >>> >>> "A superior man must be strong and resolute, for his burden is heavy and >>> the road is long. He takes benevolence as his burden. Is that not heavy? >>> Only with death does the road come to an end. Is that not long?" [The >>> Analects 8.7] >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> ***************** >> Hongjie Wang, Ph.D. >> Assistant Professor of History >> Armstrong Atlantic State University >> Savannah GA 31419 >> PHONE: (912) 344-3130 >> hongjie.wang@armstrong.edu >> *http://armstrong.edu/history_journal* >> http://5d10k.wordpress.com/ >> >> "A superior man must be strong and resolute, for his burden is heavy and >> the road is long. He takes benevolence as his burden. Is that not heavy? >> Only with death does the road come to an end. Is that not long?" [The >> Analects 8.7] >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Listserv mailing list >> Listserv@mail.songyuan.org >> http://mail.songyuan.org/mailman/listinfo/listserv_mail.songyuan.org >> >> > _______________________________________________ > Listserv mailing list > Listserv@mail.songyuan.org > http://mail.songyuan.org/mailman/listinfo/listserv_mail.songyuan.org > > > > _______________________________________________ > Listserv mailing list > Listserv@mail.songyuan.org > http://mail.songyuan.org/mailman/listinfo/listserv_mail.songyuan.org > > -- Paul Jakov Smith 史樂民 John R. Coleman Professor of Social Sciences Professor of History and East Asian Studies Haverford College Haverford PA 19041

MF

Michael Fuller

Mon, Feb 20, 2012 7:44 PM

And… we even have this article on line: http://www.humanities.uci.edu/eastasian/SungYuan/JSYS/Archive/21/JSYS21_02_JunHargett.pdf

Michael

From: listserv-bounces@mail.songyuan.org [mailto:listserv-bounces@mail.songyuan.org] On Behalf Of Morten Schlütter
Sent: Monday, February 20, 2012 10:19 AM
To: listserv@mail.songyuan.org
Subject: Re: [Song-Yuan Listserv] measurements

It seems no one has mentioned this article yet, but it is one that I have found extremely helpful:

Hargett, James M., and Jun Wenren. “The Measures Li and Mou during the Song, Liao, and Jin Dynasties.” Bulletin of Sung-Yuan Studies 21 (1989): 8–30.

It is especially noteworthy that these measurements never become completely standardized during the Song.

Best, Morten

Morten Schlütter
Department of Religious Studies
The University of Iowa
Iowa City, IA 52242

Ph.: 319-335-2165

On Feb 20, 2012, at 7:10 AM, Jesse Sloane wrote:

Just to offer a quick citeable (though not infallible) reference: The Kadokawa Shinjigen 新字源 gives one Song/Yuan qing as 566.254 ares.

Thus 400 qing would be 226501.6 ares, which Google converts to 5596.976 acres. This is essentially the same as the conversion used for the Cambridge History according to Prof. Smith.

Best,

JDS

2012/2/20 Hongjie Wang hongjie.wang@armstrong.edu

my mistake, just realized what I got is about hectare (公頃), not traditional Chinese qing . then 1 qing should be something like 16.47 acres, 400 qing would be 6589. so your original number should be good one. hoping my calculation this time is not misleading. hongjie

On Mon, Feb 20, 2012 at 12:53 AM, Hongjie Wang hongjie.wang@armstrong.edu wrote:

Prof. Clark,
here is the conversion chart I got:
1 qing 頃 = 100 gongmu 公畝 = 15 shimu 市畝 = 2.471 acres (note there's difference between Chinese mu and international mu or are which equals 100 square meters).

so 400 qing should be 988.4 acres total.

hope that helps.

Hongjie

On Sun, Feb 19, 2012 at 8:19 PM, Clark, Hugh hclark@ursinus.edu wrote:

Friends: I’m trying to make sure I don’t offer some totally implausible numbers regarding a land reclamation project. Do the following numbers seem about right?

400 qing 頃[1 qing = 100 mu 畝 = ca. 16.5 acres; i.e., a total of ca.6,600 acres]

Hugh R. Clark, Ph.D.

Professor of History & East Asian Studies

Ursinus College

610-409-3299

hclark@ursinus.edu

Listserv mailing list
Listserv@mail.songyuan.org
http://mail.songyuan.org/mailman/listinfo/listserv_mail.songyuan.org

--

Hongjie Wang, Ph.D.
Assistant Professor of History
Armstrong Atlantic State University
Savannah GA 31419
PHONE: (912) 344-3130 tel:%28912%29%20344-3130
hongjie.wang@armstrong.edu

http://armstrong.edu/history_journal

http://5d10k.wordpress.com/

"A superior man must be strong and resolute, for his burden is heavy and the road is long. He takes benevolence as his burden. Is that not heavy? Only with death does the road come to an end. Is that not long?" [The Analects 8.7]

--

Hongjie Wang, Ph.D.
Assistant Professor of History
Armstrong Atlantic State University
Savannah GA 31419
PHONE: (912) 344-3130 tel:%28912%29%20344-3130
hongjie.wang@armstrong.edu

http://armstrong.edu/history_journal

http://5d10k.wordpress.com/

"A superior man must be strong and resolute, for his burden is heavy and the road is long. He takes benevolence as his burden. Is that not heavy? Only with death does the road come to an end. Is that not long?" [The Analects 8.7]

Listserv mailing list
Listserv@mail.songyuan.org
http://mail.songyuan.org/mailman/listinfo/listserv_mail.songyuan.org

And… we even have this article on line: http://www.humanities.uci.edu/eastasian/SungYuan/JSYS/Archive/21/JSYS21_02_JunHargett.pdf Michael From: listserv-bounces@mail.songyuan.org [mailto:listserv-bounces@mail.songyuan.org] On Behalf Of Morten Schlütter Sent: Monday, February 20, 2012 10:19 AM To: listserv@mail.songyuan.org Subject: Re: [Song-Yuan Listserv] measurements It seems no one has mentioned this article yet, but it is one that I have found extremely helpful: Hargett, James M., and Jun Wenren. “The Measures Li and Mou during the Song, Liao, and Jin Dynasties.” Bulletin of Sung-Yuan Studies 21 (1989): 8–30. It is especially noteworthy that these measurements never become completely standardized during the Song. Best, Morten --- Morten Schlütter Department of Religious Studies The University of Iowa Iowa City, IA 52242 Ph.: 319-335-2165 On Feb 20, 2012, at 7:10 AM, Jesse Sloane wrote: Just to offer a quick citeable (though not infallible) reference: The Kadokawa Shinjigen 新字源 gives one Song/Yuan qing as 566.254 ares. Thus 400 qing would be 226501.6 ares, which Google converts to 5596.976 acres. This is essentially the same as the conversion used for the Cambridge History according to Prof. Smith. Best, JDS 2012/2/20 Hongjie Wang <hongjie.wang@armstrong.edu> my mistake, just realized what I got is about hectare (公頃), not traditional Chinese qing . then 1 qing should be something like 16.47 acres, 400 qing would be 6589. so your original number should be good one. hoping my calculation this time is not misleading. hongjie On Mon, Feb 20, 2012 at 12:53 AM, Hongjie Wang <hongjie.wang@armstrong.edu> wrote: Prof. Clark, here is the conversion chart I got: 1 qing 頃 = 100 gongmu 公畝 = 15 shimu 市畝 = 2.471 acres (note there's difference between Chinese mu and international mu or are which equals 100 square meters). so 400 qing should be 988.4 acres total. hope that helps. Hongjie On Sun, Feb 19, 2012 at 8:19 PM, Clark, Hugh <hclark@ursinus.edu> wrote: Friends: I’m trying to make sure I don’t offer some totally implausible numbers regarding a land reclamation project. Do the following numbers seem about right? 400 qing 頃[1 qing = 100 mu 畝 = ca. 16.5 acres; i.e., a total of ca.6,600 acres] Hugh R. Clark, Ph.D. Professor of History & East Asian Studies Ursinus College 610-409-3299 hclark@ursinus.edu _______________________________________________ Listserv mailing list Listserv@mail.songyuan.org http://mail.songyuan.org/mailman/listinfo/listserv_mail.songyuan.org -- ***************** Hongjie Wang, Ph.D. Assistant Professor of History Armstrong Atlantic State University Savannah GA 31419 PHONE: (912) 344-3130 <tel:%28912%29%20344-3130> hongjie.wang@armstrong.edu http://armstrong.edu/history_journal http://5d10k.wordpress.com/ "A superior man must be strong and resolute, for his burden is heavy and the road is long. He takes benevolence as his burden. Is that not heavy? Only with death does the road come to an end. Is that not long?" [The Analects 8.7] -- ***************** Hongjie Wang, Ph.D. Assistant Professor of History Armstrong Atlantic State University Savannah GA 31419 PHONE: (912) 344-3130 <tel:%28912%29%20344-3130> hongjie.wang@armstrong.edu http://armstrong.edu/history_journal http://5d10k.wordpress.com/ "A superior man must be strong and resolute, for his burden is heavy and the road is long. He takes benevolence as his burden. Is that not heavy? Only with death does the road come to an end. Is that not long?" [The Analects 8.7] _______________________________________________ Listserv mailing list Listserv@mail.songyuan.org http://mail.songyuan.org/mailman/listinfo/listserv_mail.songyuan.org _______________________________________________ Listserv mailing list Listserv@mail.songyuan.org http://mail.songyuan.org/mailman/listinfo/listserv_mail.songyuan.org

JH

James Hargett

Wed, Feb 29, 2012 2:00 PM

Michael:

I've read this article and it's quite good!!!!

Thanks for posting the link.

Hope all is well on your end.

jim

On Mon, Feb 20, 2012 at 2:44 PM, Michael Fuller mafuller@uci.edu wrote:

And… we even have this article on line:
http://www.humanities.uci.edu/eastasian/SungYuan/JSYS/Archive/21/JSYS21_02_JunHargett.pdf

Michael****

From: listserv-bounces@mail.songyuan.org [mailto:
listserv-bounces@mail.songyuan.org] *On Behalf Of *Morten Schlütter
Sent: Monday, February 20, 2012 10:19 AM
To: listserv@mail.songyuan.org

Subject: Re: [Song-Yuan Listserv] measurements****

It seems no one has mentioned this article yet, but it is one that I have
found extremely helpful: ****

Hargett, James M., and Jun Wenren. “The Measures Li and Mou during the
Song, Liao, and Jin Dynasties.” Bulletin of Sung-Yuan Studies 21 (1989): 8
–30.****

It is especially noteworthy that these measurements never become
completely standardized during the Song.****

Best, Morten****

---****

Morten Schlütter
Department of Religious Studies
The University of Iowa
Iowa City, IA 52242

Ph.: 319-335-2165

On Feb 20, 2012, at 7:10 AM, Jesse Sloane wrote:****

Just to offer a quick citeable (though not infallible) reference: The
Kadokawa Shinjigen 新字源 gives one Song/Yuan qing as 566.254 ares. ****

Thus 400 qing would be 226501.6 ares, which Google converts to 5596.976
acres. This is essentially the same as the conversion used for the
Cambridge History according to Prof. Smith.****

Best,****

JDS****

2012/2/20 Hongjie Wang hongjie.wang@armstrong.edu****

my mistake, just realized what I got is about hectare (公頃), not
traditional Chinese qing . then 1 qing should be something like 16.47
acres, 400 qing would be 6589. so your original number should be good one.
hoping my calculation this time is not misleading. hongjie****

On Mon, Feb 20, 2012 at 12:53 AM, Hongjie Wang hongjie.wang@armstrong.edu
wrote:****

Prof. Clark,
here is the conversion chart I got:
1 qing 頃 = 100 gongmu 公畝 = 15 shimu 市畝 = 2.471 acres (note there's
difference between Chinese mu and international mu or are which
equals 100 square meters).

so 400 qing should be 988.4 acres total.

hope that helps.

Hongjie

On Sun, Feb 19, 2012 at 8:19 PM, Clark, Hugh hclark@ursinus.edu wrote:**
**

Friends: I’m trying to make sure I don’t offer some totally implausible
numbers regarding a land reclamation project. Do the following numbers
seem about right?****

400* qing* 頃[1 qing = 100 mu 畝 = ca. 16.5 acres; i.e., a total of
ca.6,600 acres]****

Hugh R. Clark, Ph.D.****

Professor of History & East Asian Studies****

Ursinus College****

610-409-3299****

hclark@ursinus.edu****

Listserv mailing list
Listserv@mail.songyuan.org
http://mail.songyuan.org/mailman/listinfo/listserv_mail.songyuan.org****

-- ****

Hongjie Wang, Ph.D.
Assistant Professor of History
Armstrong Atlantic State University
Savannah GA 31419
PHONE: (912) 344-3130
hongjie.wang@armstrong.edu****

http://armstrong.edu/history_journal****

http://5d10k.wordpress.com/****

"A superior man must be strong and resolute, for his burden is heavy and
the road is long. He takes benevolence as his burden. Is that not heavy?
Only with death does the road come to an end. Is that not long?" [The
Analects 8.7]****

-- ****

Hongjie Wang, Ph.D.
Assistant Professor of History
Armstrong Atlantic State University
Savannah GA 31419
PHONE: (912) 344-3130
hongjie.wang@armstrong.edu****

http://armstrong.edu/history_journal****

http://5d10k.wordpress.com/****

"A superior man must be strong and resolute, for his burden is heavy and
the road is long. He takes benevolence as his burden. Is that not heavy?
Only with death does the road come to an end. Is that not long?" [The
Analects 8.7]****

Listserv mailing list
Listserv@mail.songyuan.org
http://mail.songyuan.org/mailman/listinfo/listserv_mail.songyuan.org****

Listserv mailing list
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Michael: I've read this article and it's quite good!!!! Thanks for posting the link. Hope all is well on your end. jim On Mon, Feb 20, 2012 at 2:44 PM, Michael Fuller <mafuller@uci.edu> wrote: > And… we even have this article on line: > http://www.humanities.uci.edu/eastasian/SungYuan/JSYS/Archive/21/JSYS21_02_JunHargett.pdf > **** > > ** ** > > Michael**** > > ** ** > > *From:* listserv-bounces@mail.songyuan.org [mailto: > listserv-bounces@mail.songyuan.org] *On Behalf Of *Morten Schlütter > *Sent:* Monday, February 20, 2012 10:19 AM > *To:* listserv@mail.songyuan.org > > *Subject:* Re: [Song-Yuan Listserv] measurements**** > > ** ** > > It seems no one has mentioned this article yet, but it is one that I have > found extremely helpful: **** > > ** ** > > Hargett, James M., and Jun Wenren. “The Measures Li and Mou during the > Song, Liao, and Jin Dynasties.” Bulletin of Sung-Yuan Studies 21 (1989): 8 > –30.**** > > ** ** > > It is especially noteworthy that these measurements never become > completely standardized during the Song.**** > > ** ** > > Best, Morten**** > > ** ** > > ---**** > > Morten Schlütter > Department of Religious Studies > The University of Iowa > Iowa City, IA 52242 > > Ph.: 319-335-2165 > > **** > > ** ** > > On Feb 20, 2012, at 7:10 AM, Jesse Sloane wrote:**** > > > > **** > > Just to offer a quick citeable (though not infallible) reference: The > Kadokawa Shinjigen 新字源 gives one Song/Yuan *qing* as 566.254 ares. **** > > Thus 400 qing would be 226501.6 ares, which Google converts to 5596.976 > acres. This is essentially the same as the conversion used for the > Cambridge History according to Prof. Smith.**** > > ** ** > > Best,**** > > JDS**** > > 2012/2/20 Hongjie Wang <hongjie.wang@armstrong.edu>**** > > my mistake, just realized what I got is about hectare (公頃), not > traditional Chinese *qing* . then 1 qing should be something like 16.47 > acres, 400 qing would be 6589. so your original number should be good one. > hoping my calculation this time is not misleading. hongjie**** > > ** ** > > On Mon, Feb 20, 2012 at 12:53 AM, Hongjie Wang <hongjie.wang@armstrong.edu> > wrote:**** > > Prof. Clark, > here is the conversion chart I got: > 1 *qing* 頃 = 100 *gongmu* 公畝 = 15 *shimu* 市畝 = 2.471 acres (note there's > difference between Chinese *mu* and international *mu* or are which > equals 100 square meters). > > so 400 qing should be 988.4 acres total. > > hope that helps. > > Hongjie > > **** > > On Sun, Feb 19, 2012 at 8:19 PM, Clark, Hugh <hclark@ursinus.edu> wrote:** > ** > > Friends: I’m trying to make sure I don’t offer some totally implausible > numbers regarding a land reclamation project. Do the following numbers > seem about right?**** > > **** > > 400* qing* 頃[1 *qing* = 100 *mu* 畝 = ca. 16.5 acres; i.e., a total of > ca.6,600 acres]**** > > **** > > **** > > **** > > **** > > Hugh R. Clark, Ph.D.**** > > Professor of History & East Asian Studies**** > > Ursinus College**** > > **** > > 610-409-3299**** > > hclark@ursinus.edu**** > > **** > > ** ** > > _______________________________________________ > Listserv mailing list > Listserv@mail.songyuan.org > http://mail.songyuan.org/mailman/listinfo/listserv_mail.songyuan.org**** > > > > > -- **** > > ***************** > Hongjie Wang, Ph.D. > Assistant Professor of History > Armstrong Atlantic State University > Savannah GA 31419 > PHONE: (912) 344-3130 > hongjie.wang@armstrong.edu**** > > *http://armstrong.edu/history_journal***** > > http://5d10k.wordpress.com/**** > > ** ** > > "A superior man must be strong and resolute, for his burden is heavy and > the road is long. He takes benevolence as his burden. Is that not heavy? > Only with death does the road come to an end. Is that not long?" [The > Analects 8.7]**** > > ** ** > > > > > -- **** > > ***************** > Hongjie Wang, Ph.D. > Assistant Professor of History > Armstrong Atlantic State University > Savannah GA 31419 > PHONE: (912) 344-3130 > hongjie.wang@armstrong.edu**** > > *http://armstrong.edu/history_journal***** > > http://5d10k.wordpress.com/**** > > ** ** > > "A superior man must be strong and resolute, for his burden is heavy and > the road is long. He takes benevolence as his burden. Is that not heavy? > Only with death does the road come to an end. Is that not long?" [The > Analects 8.7]**** > > ** ** > > > _______________________________________________ > Listserv mailing list > Listserv@mail.songyuan.org > http://mail.songyuan.org/mailman/listinfo/listserv_mail.songyuan.org**** > > ** ** > > _______________________________________________ > Listserv mailing list > Listserv@mail.songyuan.org > http://mail.songyuan.org/mailman/listinfo/listserv_mail.songyuan.org**** > > ** ** > > _______________________________________________ > Listserv mailing list > Listserv@mail.songyuan.org > http://mail.songyuan.org/mailman/listinfo/listserv_mail.songyuan.org > >