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e16@telus.net
Wed, Dec 12, 2001 4:49 PM

A remark at last night's graduation ceremony for the latest Safe Boating
course at our local chapter of the Canadian Power Squadron caught my
attention. With some pride, one of the speakers noted that the total
number of Canadian CPS members now equals or exceeds the total number of
US members. Rather than being proud, he ought to have been concerned.
Yes, Canadian membership continues to grow rapidly, but it's clear that
US membership must be plummeting. And that's probably a bad thing. When
I read stories by Americans about their trips on inland waterways, they
seem to always contain unhappy comments about bad manners and unsafe
practices by other boaters, the very thing the PS courses strive to
avoid or correct.

Why has the PS fallen out of favour in the US? Are Americans joining the
Coast Guard Auxiliary instead?

Cheers, Garrett

A remark at last night's graduation ceremony for the latest Safe Boating course at our local chapter of the Canadian Power Squadron caught my attention. With some pride, one of the speakers noted that the total number of Canadian CPS members now equals or exceeds the total number of US members. Rather than being proud, he ought to have been concerned. Yes, Canadian membership continues to grow rapidly, but it's clear that US membership must be plummeting. And that's probably a bad thing. When I read stories by Americans about their trips on inland waterways, they seem to always contain unhappy comments about bad manners and unsafe practices by other boaters, the very thing the PS courses strive to avoid or correct. Why has the PS fallen out of favour in the US? Are Americans joining the Coast Guard Auxiliary instead? Cheers, Garrett
B
bailey@cape.com
Wed, Dec 12, 2001 5:22 PM

Both my husband and I are new Power Squadron members.... we took their basic
boating class last year and really enjoyed it, I've been sailing in the bay
a long time and learned a lot from the class.

That being said.... in our area they don't offer many other classes other
than that basic boating.  We wanted to take all the classes but they just
haven't scheduled them or canceled them due to lack of interest.  And other
than the basic class not much happens here with them, a few formal meetings
and a once a year dinner.  A lot of the members are older and although I'm
starting to fit into that group and enjoy people of any age I think a lot of
people under 40 feel that the group is too old and by far too serious.

I also think a lot of younger people use the web and although both of our
local squadrons have web sites they aren't very well kept up.  The classes
listed on them are old and outdated, you can't do anything via the web, you
have to pick up the phone and call them and when you send them e-mail at
their e-mail address on the web sites it takes about 3 weeks to get a return
response that says, "call us at...... ".

I think they need they need to lighten up and join the 21st century.  I wish
it was a more together group.

Susan Sheehan

Both my husband and I are new Power Squadron members.... we took their basic boating class last year and really enjoyed it, I've been sailing in the bay a long time and learned a lot from the class. That being said.... in our area they don't offer many other classes other than that basic boating. We wanted to take all the classes but they just haven't scheduled them or canceled them due to lack of interest. And other than the basic class not much happens here with them, a few formal meetings and a once a year dinner. A lot of the members are older and although I'm starting to fit into that group and enjoy people of any age I think a lot of people under 40 feel that the group is too old and by far too serious. I also think a lot of younger people use the web and although both of our local squadrons have web sites they aren't very well kept up. The classes listed on them are old and outdated, you can't do anything via the web, you have to pick up the phone and call them and when you send them e-mail at their e-mail address on the web sites it takes about 3 weeks to get a return response that says, "call us at...... ". I think they need they need to lighten up and join the 21st century. I wish it was a more together group. Susan Sheehan
T
tmains@FlowersByDonna.com
Wed, Dec 12, 2001 5:36 PM

As usual, Garrett makes a good point and asks a good question.  I will take
a stab at an answer.

I took two Power Squadron classes.  My observation is that they need to take
a fresh look at the curriculum from the client's point of view.  Many topics
that you could use every day go unmentioned before more esoteric things are
covered.  For example, I don't recall any conversation about wake control.
I do remember hearing a lot about how many tridents go on which officer's
flag.

My hat is off to those that volunteer to educate boaters and make this
activity more safe and therefore more fun.  My criticism is only intended to
help make their efforts more effective.  I applaud their intentions.

Todd Mains
M/V Pingino
50 Ocean
Portland, Oregon

As usual, Garrett makes a good point and asks a good question. I will take a stab at an answer. I took two Power Squadron classes. My observation is that they need to take a fresh look at the curriculum from the client's point of view. Many topics that you could use every day go unmentioned before more esoteric things are covered. For example, I don't recall any conversation about wake control. I do remember hearing a lot about how many tridents go on which officer's flag. My hat is off to those that volunteer to educate boaters and make this activity more safe and therefore more fun. My criticism is only intended to help make their efforts more effective. I applaud their intentions. Todd Mains M/V Pingino 50 Ocean Portland, Oregon
C
cculotta@iamerica.net
Wed, Dec 12, 2001 7:35 PM

Garrett Lambert wrote:

A remark at last night's graduation ceremony for the latest Safe Boating
course at our local chapter of the Canadian Power Squadron one of the
speakers noted that the total
number of Canadian CPS members now equals or exceeds the total number of
US members.

Why has the PS fallen out of favour in the US? Are Americans joining the
Coast Guard Auxiliary instead?

Garrett,

(A little different slant than what others have so far opined).
As a long time member( since abt. 1985) of USPS I will take a shot at an
answer.
I will also preface my remarks with a little background on my experience in
the organization in an effort to deflect contrary opinions held by other
USPS members.
I have taught courses including Public Boating , Seamanship, Piloting and
Advanced Piloting and  have served many offices including Commander.
Now my opinion.
The hierarchy of the organization, dont ever call it a club!!!!!!, are much
too concerned with pomp and circumstance to address how the group should
utilize the volunteers time and energy . Which we all know is finite.
There are way too many District and National meetings that consume a huge
amount of energy and money. Most of  the time at these meetings is spent
networking and socializing. Even at the business meetings unnecessary time
is spent listening to reports abt how great their respective squadrons are
doing that could be presented in a written report that should be on the desk
in front of me when I sit down.

Yes a lot of squadrons are made up of a bunch of us old you know what's. The
young people with families dont have the TIME nor RESOURCES to attend two
District meetings a year and two or three more National ones.
Of course, if you are an officer you are encouraged, spelled coerced, to
attend some if not all of them.
I caused a near mutiny in my squadron when I was tapped to be Commander
because I told the membership,((( before the election))) that it was my
intention to run a great local squadron but I did not plan on attending any
of the District nor National meetings for I felt they are a waste of time.
By the way, there are additional meetings that they require upper level
officers to attend , that are usually out of town that are equally a waste
of time. Again a young person simply cant get away from the family or afford
($$$$$) to take the family to these gatherings.

Want to start an argument  among USPS members mention UNIFORMS, man those
old ----- go ballistic. Heck I may be one , I am 58!
This year , due to declining enrollment there is a cash crunch. The
national leadership's answer was not to cut expenses but to raise dues. What
is the old saying about shooting ones self in the foot!!!
Reminds me of the fed govt. dont cut spending raise taxes!!
Ducking but not running-----
CCC

--
LETS ROLL!
Charles and Pat Culotta
Patterson, La.
Web Site: http://www.geocities.com/charlesculotta/

Garrett Lambert wrote: > A remark at last night's graduation ceremony for the latest Safe Boating > course at our local chapter of the Canadian Power Squadron one of the > speakers noted that the total > number of Canadian CPS members now equals or exceeds the total number of > US members. > Why has the PS fallen out of favour in the US? Are Americans joining the > Coast Guard Auxiliary instead? > > Garrett, (A little different slant than what others have so far opined). As a long time member( since abt. 1985) of USPS I will take a shot at an answer. I will also preface my remarks with a little background on my experience in the organization in an effort to deflect contrary opinions held by other USPS members. I have taught courses including Public Boating , Seamanship, Piloting and Advanced Piloting and have served many offices including Commander. Now my opinion. The hierarchy of the organization, dont ever call it a club!!!!!!, are much too concerned with pomp and circumstance to address how the group should utilize the volunteers time and energy . Which we all know is finite. There are way too many District and National meetings that consume a huge amount of energy and money. Most of the time at these meetings is spent networking and socializing. Even at the business meetings unnecessary time is spent listening to reports abt how great their respective squadrons are doing that could be presented in a written report that should be on the desk in front of me when I sit down. Yes a lot of squadrons are made up of a bunch of us old you know what's. The young people with families dont have the TIME nor RESOURCES to attend two District meetings a year and two or three more National ones. Of course, if you are an officer you are encouraged, spelled coerced, to attend some if not all of them. I caused a near mutiny in my squadron when I was tapped to be Commander because I told the membership,((( before the election))) that it was my intention to run a great local squadron but I did not plan on attending any of the District nor National meetings for I felt they are a waste of time. By the way, there are additional meetings that they require upper level officers to attend , that are usually out of town that are equally a waste of time. Again a young person simply cant get away from the family or afford ($$$$$) to take the family to these gatherings. Want to start an argument among USPS members mention UNIFORMS, man those old ----- go ballistic. Heck I may be one , I am 58! This year , due to declining enrollment there is a cash crunch. The national leadership's answer was not to cut expenses but to raise dues. What is the old saying about shooting ones self in the foot!!! Reminds me of the fed govt. dont cut spending raise taxes!! Ducking but not running----- CCC -- LETS ROLL! Charles and Pat Culotta Patterson, La. Web Site: http://www.geocities.com/charlesculotta/
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ddunlap@coastalnet.com
Wed, Dec 12, 2001 7:51 PM

I just went out to both web sites for both the Canadian Power Squadron and
US Power Squadron to check on membership totals.  The CPS has about 43,400
members.  USPS has about 62,900 members.  Of course, I could have counted
wrong too.....  Even so, it is important to note how many people in Canada
are members relative to the membership in the US.

I have been a member of USPS for almost 20 years and appreciate hearing what
USPS could do to improve and grow.

Don Dunlap
----- Original Message -----
From: Charles Culotta cculotta@iamerica.net
Cc: 'TWL' trawler-world-list@samurai.com
Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2001 2:35 PM
Subject: Re: TWL: Support Your Local (US) Power Squadron

Garrett Lambert wrote:

A remark at last night's graduation ceremony for the latest Safe Boating
course at our local chapter of the Canadian Power Squadron one of the
speakers noted that the total
number of Canadian CPS members now equals or exceeds the total number of
US members.

Why has the PS fallen out of favour in the US? Are Americans joining the
Coast Guard Auxiliary instead?

Garrett,

(A little different slant than what others have so far opined).

As a long time member( since abt. 1985) of USPS I will take a shot at an
answer.
I will also preface my remarks with a little background on my experience

in

the organization in an effort to deflect contrary opinions held by other
USPS members.
I have taught courses including Public Boating , Seamanship, Piloting and
Advanced Piloting and  have served many offices including Commander.
Now my opinion.
The hierarchy of the organization, dont ever call it a club!!!!!!, are

much

too concerned with pomp and circumstance to address how the group should
utilize the volunteers time and energy . Which we all know is finite.
There are way too many District and National meetings that consume a huge
amount of energy and money. Most of  the time at these meetings is spent
networking and socializing. Even at the business meetings unnecessary time
is spent listening to reports abt how great their respective squadrons are
doing that could be presented in a written report that should be on the

desk

in front of me when I sit down.

Yes a lot of squadrons are made up of a bunch of us old you know what's.

The

young people with families dont have the TIME nor RESOURCES to attend two
District meetings a year and two or three more National ones.
Of course, if you are an officer you are encouraged, spelled coerced, to
attend some if not all of them.
I caused a near mutiny in my squadron when I was tapped to be Commander
because I told the membership,((( before the election))) that it was my
intention to run a great local squadron but I did not plan on attending

any

of the District nor National meetings for I felt they are a waste of time.
By the way, there are additional meetings that they require upper level
officers to attend , that are usually out of town that are equally a waste
of time. Again a young person simply cant get away from the family or

afford

($$$$$) to take the family to these gatherings.

Want to start an argument  among USPS members mention UNIFORMS, man those
old ----- go ballistic. Heck I may be one , I am 58!
This year , due to declining enrollment there is a cash crunch. The
national leadership's answer was not to cut expenses but to raise dues.

What

is the old saying about shooting ones self in the foot!!!
Reminds me of the fed govt. dont cut spending raise taxes!!
Ducking but not running-----
CCC

--
LETS ROLL!
Charles and Pat Culotta
Patterson, La.
Web Site: http://www.geocities.com/charlesculotta/

I just went out to both web sites for both the Canadian Power Squadron and US Power Squadron to check on membership totals. The CPS has about 43,400 members. USPS has about 62,900 members. Of course, I could have counted wrong too..... Even so, it is important to note how many people in Canada are members relative to the membership in the US. I have been a member of USPS for almost 20 years and appreciate hearing what USPS could do to improve and grow. Don Dunlap ----- Original Message ----- From: Charles Culotta <cculotta@iamerica.net> Cc: 'TWL' <trawler-world-list@samurai.com> Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2001 2:35 PM Subject: Re: TWL: Support Your Local (US) Power Squadron > > > Garrett Lambert wrote: > > > A remark at last night's graduation ceremony for the latest Safe Boating > > course at our local chapter of the Canadian Power Squadron one of the > > speakers noted that the total > > number of Canadian CPS members now equals or exceeds the total number of > > US members. > > > Why has the PS fallen out of favour in the US? Are Americans joining the > > Coast Guard Auxiliary instead? > > > > Garrett, > > (A little different slant than what others have so far opined). > As a long time member( since abt. 1985) of USPS I will take a shot at an > answer. > I will also preface my remarks with a little background on my experience in > the organization in an effort to deflect contrary opinions held by other > USPS members. > I have taught courses including Public Boating , Seamanship, Piloting and > Advanced Piloting and have served many offices including Commander. > Now my opinion. > The hierarchy of the organization, dont ever call it a club!!!!!!, are much > too concerned with pomp and circumstance to address how the group should > utilize the volunteers time and energy . Which we all know is finite. > There are way too many District and National meetings that consume a huge > amount of energy and money. Most of the time at these meetings is spent > networking and socializing. Even at the business meetings unnecessary time > is spent listening to reports abt how great their respective squadrons are > doing that could be presented in a written report that should be on the desk > in front of me when I sit down. > > Yes a lot of squadrons are made up of a bunch of us old you know what's. The > young people with families dont have the TIME nor RESOURCES to attend two > District meetings a year and two or three more National ones. > Of course, if you are an officer you are encouraged, spelled coerced, to > attend some if not all of them. > I caused a near mutiny in my squadron when I was tapped to be Commander > because I told the membership,((( before the election))) that it was my > intention to run a great local squadron but I did not plan on attending any > of the District nor National meetings for I felt they are a waste of time. > By the way, there are additional meetings that they require upper level > officers to attend , that are usually out of town that are equally a waste > of time. Again a young person simply cant get away from the family or afford > ($$$$$) to take the family to these gatherings. > > Want to start an argument among USPS members mention UNIFORMS, man those > old ----- go ballistic. Heck I may be one , I am 58! > This year , due to declining enrollment there is a cash crunch. The > national leadership's answer was not to cut expenses but to raise dues. What > is the old saying about shooting ones self in the foot!!! > Reminds me of the fed govt. dont cut spending raise taxes!! > Ducking but not running----- > CCC > > -- > LETS ROLL! > Charles and Pat Culotta > Patterson, La. > Web Site: http://www.geocities.com/charlesculotta/ > > >
E
elnav@uniserve.com
Wed, Dec 12, 2001 7:52 PM

At 08:49 AM 12/12/2001 -0800, Garrett Lambert wrote:

one of the speakers noted that the total number of Canadian CPS members

now equals or exceeds the total number of

US members.

<<< snip>>>

Why has the PS fallen out of favour in the US? Are Americans joining the

Coast Guard Auxiliary instead?

REPLY
I would like to  add a more  global perspective to Garrett's  question.
Last year I stepped down after serving  with the National Training
Department of CPS.
Attending  the many  national meetings gave me a better perspective on  how
CPS and USPS differ and where they are alike.
As some of you may know,  each organization invites  the members of the
other national executive to these functions.
This serves to  open  lines of communications.  In border towns it is not
uncommon for members to have dual  membership in  both a Canadian and US
squadron.

One of the main reasons for CPS growth compared to USPS  is the difference
in  recruitment policy.
As Maurice  pointed out, there is a perception of elitism in the  minds of
the general public.

CPS has deliberately taken steps  to combat such a perception by the public
while USPS has taken a different approach.
The personality of the local  squadron  executive is vital to sucessful
recruitment and  activity  at the local squadron  level.
Another poster mentioned the  age differential.  I too have noted this.
Here again  CPS seems to have  been more proactive in  recruiting  younger
members.  Many years ago when I became a squadron commander at age 36  it
was  considered unusual.
Now that is very common.  CPS has had a Children's program  in place for at
least fifteen years.  I have had  highschool age students in my adult
classes.  USPS  national  offficers have taken note and  in some cases
brought these ideas back to  their own  organization for consideration.

What it boils down to is this. Change  will only  take place if the grass
roots  membership  accepts and  actively endorse such change. If your local
squadron is not  sparkling with  activity,  help make it happen  by
getting more actively involved.
While it is true that volunteerism  has taken a nosedive in the past decade
or so, perhaps in the post 9/11 era this will change.

Unfortunately, we in Canada do not have a Coast guard Aux  that is
comparable to what the US has.
Our CCG  Aux  is  very different in strructure and funding.  When our
squadron wanted to set up a Aux. unit in our local area  we were told NO!
by CCG since it was not  in the mandate.    The reason given was  a mattter
of geographical  boundary  ruling.
I pointed out to no avail that drowing people do not care about local
boundary  disputes at the bureaucratic  level.

Cheers

Arild Jensen
The Electronic  Navigator

At 08:49 AM 12/12/2001 -0800, Garrett Lambert wrote: > one of the speakers noted that the total number of Canadian CPS members now equals or exceeds the total number of >US members. <<< snip>>> >Why has the PS fallen out of favour in the US? Are Americans joining the Coast Guard Auxiliary instead? REPLY I would like to add a more global perspective to Garrett's question. Last year I stepped down after serving with the National Training Department of CPS. Attending the many national meetings gave me a better perspective on how CPS and USPS differ and where they are alike. As some of you may know, each organization invites the members of the other national executive to these functions. This serves to open lines of communications. In border towns it is not uncommon for members to have dual membership in both a Canadian and US squadron. One of the main reasons for CPS growth compared to USPS is the difference in recruitment policy. As Maurice pointed out, there is a perception of elitism in the minds of the general public. CPS has deliberately taken steps to combat such a perception by the public while USPS has taken a different approach. The personality of the local squadron executive is vital to sucessful recruitment and activity at the local squadron level. Another poster mentioned the age differential. I too have noted this. Here again CPS seems to have been more proactive in recruiting younger members. Many years ago when I became a squadron commander at age 36 it was considered unusual. Now that is very common. CPS has had a Children's program in place for at least fifteen years. I have had highschool age students in my adult classes. USPS national offficers have taken note and in some cases brought these ideas back to their own organization for consideration. What it boils down to is this. Change will only take place if the grass roots membership accepts and actively endorse such change. If your local squadron is not sparkling with activity, help make it happen by getting more actively involved. While it is true that volunteerism has taken a nosedive in the past decade or so, perhaps in the post 9/11 era this will change. Unfortunately, we in Canada do not have a Coast guard Aux that is comparable to what the US has. Our CCG Aux is very different in strructure and funding. When our squadron wanted to set up a Aux. unit in our local area we were told NO! by CCG since it was not in the mandate. The reason given was a mattter of geographical boundary ruling. I pointed out to no avail that drowing people do not care about local boundary disputes at the bureaucratic level. Cheers Arild Jensen The Electronic Navigator
K
kenyons@aristotle.net
Thu, Dec 13, 2001 2:41 PM

Suzanne and I have had a very good experience with the United States Power
Squadron. However, like all large organizations, governments and
corporations, it can be bureaucratic. The local squadrons are where the
real value is centered and there is tremendous variation in attitude,
formality, energy, and membership from squadron to squadron. The Madison,
WI squadron that we belonged to was very informal and had a really great
education program. All of the basic courses and at least half of the
advanced courses were offered each year.

I agree with Arild that the local squadrons are what the local people put
into them. The people that volunteer (especially the folks that teach
courses) really put enormous amounts of time into their efforts. Without
exception, the USPS courses I took with the Madison Squadron were well
planned and well taught.

Jeff

Jeff and Suzanne Kenyon
M/V Baloo
Krogen 42 - Hull No. 44
Living Aboard in Little Rock
kenyons@aristotle.net

Suzanne and I have had a very good experience with the United States Power Squadron. However, like all large organizations, governments and corporations, it can be bureaucratic. The local squadrons are where the real value is centered and there is tremendous variation in attitude, formality, energy, and membership from squadron to squadron. The Madison, WI squadron that we belonged to was very informal and had a really great education program. All of the basic courses and at least half of the advanced courses were offered each year. I agree with Arild that the local squadrons are what the local people put into them. The people that volunteer (especially the folks that teach courses) really put enormous amounts of time into their efforts. Without exception, the USPS courses I took with the Madison Squadron were well planned and well taught. Jeff Jeff and Suzanne Kenyon M/V Baloo Krogen 42 - Hull No. 44 Living Aboard in Little Rock kenyons@aristotle.net