John, I did not realize that you had a Lugger. Recently, Alaska diesel through Bob Senter has been conducting a series of engine seminars for Lugger Diesels. I went to one last winter in Seattle and Bob spent most of his time talking about the 668. I was the bastard child in the group with my N50 and its 6801(?) which they no longer produce. Because of the popularity of these seminars, Alaska Diesel has been expanding the program and offering seminars in other parts of the country. If you are interested in attending one, I will gladly forward any dates that I see come up on the Nordhavn Owner's site. [I just checked and the posts I saw for seminars was from a couple of owners HOPING that Bob will conduct a seminar at Mystic in August or in the Chesapeake Bay area.] Contact Bob Senter for future seminars: bsenter@northern-lights.com. I also checked all of the posts from the beginning of 2007 and many of them were boat specific: a 57 owner asking how other 57 owners stored their tenders, a 46 owner asking about zinc locations. Some posts would be useful to PUP, but they have already been covered: an owner asking about the effectiveness of Prop Speed. Still others are very technical: Mickey Smith posted the settings for the Xantrex SW2512 inverter for charging AGM batteries because the settings listed in the manuals and the default settings were wrong. Many owner's ask questions that are never answered on the owner's site and would be better served by PUP or Trawler World: ie: a recent question about getting air in fuel lines. Why more owners aren't members of PUP or Trawler World and why the Nordhavn Owner's site does at least allow reading by non members, I don't know. Maybe, the way the board is set up on Yahoo doesn't allow it. Many members do belong to both boards and regularly cross post such as Scott Bulger and Scott Strickland and myself. Others, such as Dick Barnes aboard Ice Dancer II, posts on PUP and never posts on the Nordhavn site. Who Knows! I actually got chewed out by the owner of the Nordhavn list last Fall because I posted my cruise summary for my California to Hawaii crossing in PUP and not the Owner's Site. Phil Eslinger Flat Earth N50