S8 as result of regional scheme of concepts is unique and we don´t
know about other formulations similar to S8.  It is frequently asked
if "S8 source code" is derivative work of other MIT licensed sources
(please download and read license terms if it is still your interest).
The question is incorrect (and we are free to do not answer incorrect
questions here) because it means that the person asking has not
reached the understanding of Smalltalk required to adopt a POV
consistent with S8 (Smalltalk as not a language).

Hi! After looking at S8 [1], it's clear that it's a fork of Amber [2]. While this is perfectly fine as Amber is released under MIT, I really don't like the statements on the website about the license and origin of the project [3]. S8 doesn't fulfil the MIT license as the copyright of Amber should be clearly stated on the S8 website. Quoting the page: " How/where S8 is different from product/project XXX ? S8 as result of regional scheme of concepts is unique and we don´t know about other formulations similar to S8. It is frequently asked if "S8 source code" is derivative work of other MIT licensed sources (please download and read license terms if it is still your interest). The question is incorrect (and we are free to do not answer incorrect questions here) because it means that the person asking has not reached the understanding of Smalltalk required to adopt a POV consistent with S8 (Smalltalk as not a language). " Moreover, I couldn't find anywhere on the website a link to such a license or any reference to amber being the original project. Stating that S8 is a fork of Amber there, instead of attempting to evade the question, would simply be fair play. As it is right now it looks more like stealing than forking an opensource project. In the world of opensource, I think this is really a shame :-/ Now maybe I'm just too stupid and I " have not reached the understanding of Smalltalk required to adopt a POV consistent with S8"... Cheers, Nico [1] http://u8.smalltalking.net/s8.aspx [2] http://amber-lang.net [3] http://u8.smalltalking.net/

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Il 16/05/2013 15:15, Nicolas Petton ha scritto: > Now maybe I'm just too stupid and I " have not reached the > understanding of Smalltalk required to adopt a POV consistent with > S8"... This certainly makes no sense, apart from the snarkiness. The text that Guido found is from http://u8.smalltalking.net/profile/aleReimondo/147/index.html, but there's no reason to believe that it extends to more than that project. The main system is at http://u8.smalltalking.net/profile/aleReimondo/239/index.html. It has a "MIT Licensed" link to the license, but it fails to list the copyright holders. The source code at http://u8.smalltalking.net/profile/smalltalking/64/u8.image.js does list copyright holders: - ------------ S8 - Basic U8 image. Copyright (C) 2013 - http://u8.smalltalking.net/u8.html Copyright (C) 2013 Alejandro F. Reimondo <aleReimondo@smalltalking.net> http://www.aleReimondo.com Parts of source code written for Jtalk, Copyright (C) 2011 by Nicolas Petton <petton.nicolas@gmail.com> Also code and ideas from Clamato (http://clamato.net), written by Avi Byrant. The PetitParser library, published by Lukas Renggli (http://lukas-renggli.ch) and released under the MIT license. And people that contributed to Smalltalk on diverse media years(decades) before this license holders claimed ownership. - ------------- It would be nice if it were a bit easier to find... Paolo -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.19 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://www.enigmail.net/ iQIcBAEBAgAGBQJRlOh7AAoJEBvWZb6bTYbygp8P/j7TFfhIBJAJQ1ZTGnMQ+WcZ J/vhEPS7dNnMTCnG6JKnrWOUo7HfgLRV/gvm5KVLxbNs5ELqwkyYVIoWZagU5PNC fmqFnIIQd5HLwK/6aF5muH15FSemACzOydcGTQ/V7KKh76E/Fno/ucLLTSsOQFbR QQn0DmZzqdHyoLz33sexn/W4j1shWXHCdJiDgneptjtw3SrPw9+sd/+/Wr9A35nC C6LyHHeXMmIyUCQKGKUVBB+ihKOrB65W6aKwki0KdY6TDS4USMlN9NgUVoV5NnYB tETs1ki8jj+F2xD9nP0bNVEjYTdHkuWIYMa4dP4xNvjiyN60HQ/p/IrRyWIcgxW+ fEcvhqxAcGVAGWzt8HfNlbtSwTkC3//FYk2MgjUcMKqrg75mRNl34FwnYwuLUv6O y8JKMBhRJQmr9f3lp/MR0wvOsC+aw5LKJWWyAgcPP1VsKtR48ilVXtT8FjWwpkDV 4VNpSYh9WacD0IqmB7++6dLb2d7ToXzaeOGhY6Vvc4kaHJnXYfLq4lVu7Tudkvbm 5upcJpSORdaES2WZ7E7OJ31HvPx+bFdbNAbI1maPiIXrwVnKjmtiRUJNgpZ7p86d jELY3agsP7wJ0MHgwzaRBmCkzmdEtyC7PvF9BxAl1yNzl/0kbB+hFPqhyzT6CPEH LtkVGNaZlt7xB3rVFiPi =rCn/ -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----