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Russ

Thu, Oct 24, 2013 3:10 AM

Just read the excellent discussion re electronic chart plotters from active captain. Only one point eludes me, I have always assumed that the charts from Garmin, Raymarine etc etc Need to be updated just as much as paper charts do / did? The review seems to
Imply that there is such need. Maybe a read wrong. Russ
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Just read the excellent discussion re electronic chart plotters from active captain. Only one point eludes me, I have always assumed that the charts from Garmin, Raymarine etc etc Need to be updated just as much as paper charts do / did? The review seems to Imply that there is such need. Maybe a read wrong. Russ Sent from my iPhone

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Ed Bruette

Thu, Oct 24, 2013 7:22 AM

Russ,
As an old navigator of submarines and other craft, chart correction is a
well ingrained practice. When GPS became affordable I was elated until I
found out there was no methodology to update their database. Now Garmin and
I assume other manufacturers provide updates 3 to 4 times per year at no
additional cost for their nautical products. Needless to say my paper charts
on Makin Do quickly fell out of date.

You are well advised not to ask how ticked I was when Garmin wanted an
additional fee to update their land navigation products.

Ed
Makin Do, PT-38
Brownsville, WA

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Just read the excellent discussion re electronic chart plotters from active
captain. Only one point eludes me, I have always assumed that the charts
from Garmin, Raymarine etc etc Need to be updated just as much as paper
charts do / did? The review seems to Imply that there is such need. Maybe
a read wrong. Russ Sent from my iPhone

Russ, As an old navigator of submarines and other craft, chart correction is a well ingrained practice. When GPS became affordable I was elated until I found out there was no methodology to update their database. Now Garmin and I assume other manufacturers provide updates 3 to 4 times per year at no additional cost for their nautical products. Needless to say my paper charts on Makin Do quickly fell out of date. You are well advised not to ask how ticked I was when Garmin wanted an additional fee to update their land navigation products. Ed Makin Do, PT-38 Brownsville, WA -----Original Message----- Just read the excellent discussion re electronic chart plotters from active captain. Only one point eludes me, I have always assumed that the charts from Garmin, Raymarine etc etc Need to be updated just as much as paper charts do / did? The review seems to Imply that there is such need. Maybe a read wrong. Russ Sent from my iPhone

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Frank Burrows

Thu, Oct 24, 2013 12:33 PM

This is one reason lots of us like Coastal Explorer on a pc platform.
The software updates the NOAA charts automatically via the internet with
no additional charge. Your charts are always up to date.

Frank Burrows 79 43' Viking Piney Narrows Chesapeake Bay

Only one point eludes me, I have always assumed that the charts from
Garmin, Raymarine etc etc Need to be updated just as much as paper
charts do / did? The review seems to Imply that there is such need.

This is one reason lots of us like Coastal Explorer on a pc platform. The software updates the NOAA charts automatically via the internet with no additional charge. Your charts are always up to date. Frank Burrows 79 43' Viking Piney Narrows Chesapeake Bay Only one point eludes me, I have always assumed that the charts from Garmin, Raymarine etc etc Need to be updated just as much as paper charts do / did? The review seems to Imply that there is such need.

JP

Joseph Pica

Thu, Oct 24, 2013 1:07 PM

CE is good just started using after my Nobeltec dongle went TU and they quit support in 2014 ... I abandon those that that abandoned me after 15 yrs as a user owning 8 regions now unusable. The lesson learned is choose cartography that is open use not proprietary. So far CE has the high ground for great support and free charts charts (both Noaa and Army Corps of Eng) rnc and enc.
That said, to update you must be connected to the internet.

Joe

Carolyn Ann GH N-37
Heading to New Bern for winter? Sounds are getting testy with the fronts.

CE is good just started using after my Nobeltec dongle went TU and they quit support in 2014 ... I abandon those that that abandoned me after 15 yrs as a user owning 8 regions now unusable. The lesson learned is choose cartography that is open use not proprietary. So far CE has the high ground for great support and free charts charts (both Noaa and Army Corps of Eng) rnc and enc. That said, to update you must be connected to the internet. Joe Carolyn Ann GH N-37 Heading to New Bern for winter? Sounds are getting testy with the fronts.

JM

Janice Marois

Thu, Oct 24, 2013 5:28 PM

Those fancy electronics are nice, but there's nothing like pulling out a
chartkit or chartbook and having new friends mark their home dock, "secret
spots" and such. Local knowledge it seems is easier shared over a paper
chart than a computer screen.

And for me -- I'm past the 1/2 century mark, quite frankly after this many
decades using paper, I am most comfortable looking at and marking my chart
as to time when I pass each marker. I'm not fancy (nor is Seaweed) but
there is a certain joy in looking at a chartbook (I love Kettlewell's flip
charts) and noting that I saw an eagle grabbing a big fish there, and
there's the abandoned daysailer, and marking that the spoil area has full
grown trees!

Yes, the electronic is there but for me powered devices, no matter how
many, are a backup of what is on paper. I will confess that I use OpenCPN
to confirm my location especially on those long stretches of nothing, but
paper won't be relegated to a garage sale -- not ever.

I'm sure your copy of Chart #411 (available as a JPG on my website) is
lovely and you can zoom in too but, well, there are problems with your
fancy electronics. A couple months back a friend sent me a picture of "this
tower out in the middle of nowhere" along with his GPS coordinate screen.
So I pulled out my paper chart and noted that it was an Air Force signal
tower and asked if the bell was ringing every so many seconds as is noted
on the chart. I could see the wheels spinning as he zoomed in on the
coordinates and saw what the paper chart showed clearly.

Electronics are not bad, but they are not in my view the be-all and end-all
of navigation.

Janice aboard Seaweed
http://janice142.com

On Thu, Oct 24, 2013 at 9:07 AM, Joseph Pica joseph.pica@gmail.com wrote:

CE is good just started using after my Nobeltec dongle went TU and they
quit support in 2014 ... I abandon those that that abandoned me after 15
yrs as a user owning 8 regions now unusable. The lesson learned is choose
cartography that is open use not proprietary. So far CE has the high
ground for great support and free charts charts (both Noaa and Army Corps
of Eng) rnc and enc.
That said, to update you must be connected to the internet.

Those fancy electronics are nice, but there's nothing like pulling out a chartkit or chartbook and having new friends mark their home dock, "secret spots" and such. Local knowledge it seems is easier shared over a paper chart than a computer screen. And for me -- I'm past the 1/2 century mark, quite frankly after this many decades using paper, I am most comfortable looking at and marking my chart as to time when I pass each marker. I'm not fancy (nor is Seaweed) but there is a certain joy in looking at a chartbook (I love Kettlewell's flip charts) and noting that I saw an eagle grabbing a big fish there, and there's the abandoned daysailer, and marking that the spoil area has full grown trees! Yes, the electronic is there but for me powered devices, no matter how many, are a backup of what is on paper. I will confess that I use OpenCPN to confirm my location especially on those long stretches of nothing, but paper won't be relegated to a garage sale -- not ever. I'm sure your copy of Chart #411 (available as a JPG on my website) is lovely and you can zoom in too but, well, there are problems with your fancy electronics. A couple months back a friend sent me a picture of "this tower out in the middle of nowhere" along with his GPS coordinate screen. So I pulled out my paper chart and noted that it was an Air Force signal tower and asked if the bell was ringing every so many seconds as is noted on the chart. I could see the wheels spinning as he zoomed in on the coordinates and saw what the paper chart showed clearly. Electronics are not bad, but they are not in my view the be-all and end-all of navigation. Janice aboard Seaweed http://janice142.com On Thu, Oct 24, 2013 at 9:07 AM, Joseph Pica <joseph.pica@gmail.com> wrote: > CE is good just started using after my Nobeltec dongle went TU and they > quit support in 2014 ... I abandon those that that abandoned me after 15 > yrs as a user owning 8 regions now unusable. The lesson learned is choose > cartography that is open use not proprietary. So far CE has the high > ground for great support and free charts charts (both Noaa and Army Corps > of Eng) rnc and enc. > That said, to update you must be connected to the internet.

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