George, I'm sorry you took offence, which was certainly not my intention. My little Merriam-Webster Dictionary defines "stunt (n) : an unusual or spectacular feat." No derogative connotation that I see? Just as Evil Knievel jumping the Grand Canyon or the guys (and girls) in their Open 60's who headed off non-stop around the world the other day. I certainly can't attribute the various motives behind these undertakings, and my view of them takes nothing away from the undertaking. It would, as you say, indeed be a boring world if we all held the same view of every event. But we were discussing the design of a "Perfect Passagemaker" (PPM), specifically the comfort in a seaway of such a vessel. Idlewild was held up as one example; others took issue with this concept. Such is the nature of discussion. The point I was trying to make (please correct me if I'm mistaken) was that Idlewild was designed and built to get the Gray's around the world via their chosen route, including some very long (and unique) passages, and comfort at sea was not the highest criteria. I imagine that if a client came to you asking for the most comfortable seagoing vessel possible, the result might be somewhat different than Idlewild? I would for instance enjoy your views on the relative merits of one of your deep-vee designs (say Jupitor) vs a flatter bottomed boat like Idlewild? You can find a little information on who I am at the sites below. My best to all, Tad Roberts Tad Roberts Yacht Design PO Box 33 Gabriola Island, BC V0R 1X0 Canada 250-247-9315 email tadroberts@shaw.ca www.tadroberts.ca www.passagemakerlite.com www.shipyardraid.ca [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/gif which had a name of image001.gif]