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Re: TWL: The price of Perkins Parts..

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thataway4@home.com
Fri, Jan 18, 2002 11:28 PM

Most marine engne auxilary parts are off the shelf items--it does not
make sense to make specific parts for marine engines.  The problem is
tracing down the industerial user like Joe did--perhaps a web data base
for such parts would give the marine folks some second thoughts???
Bob Austin,
30 foot single diesel aft cabin Carver
Pensacola, FL.

Most marine engne auxilary parts are off the shelf items--it does not make sense to make specific parts for marine engines. The problem is tracing down the industerial user like Joe did--perhaps a web data base for such parts would give the marine folks some second thoughts??? Bob Austin, 30 foot single diesel aft cabin Carver Pensacola, FL.
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samakijoe@mediaone.net
Sat, Jan 19, 2002 12:43 AM

At 05:28 PM 01/18/2002 -0600, Robert Austin wrote:

Most marine engne auxilary parts are off the shelf items--it does not
make sense to make specific parts for marine engines.  The problem is
tracing down the industerial user like Joe did--perhaps a web data base
for such parts would give the marine folks some second thoughts???
Bob Austin,

A data base like the one your suggesting would be great to have but
difficuilt to put together. Name brand dealers go to great lenghts to
"hind" the source of the parts they sell under thier name.  In this case
(the spider) it was from LoveJoy Inc. (luckly marked on the piece) 1-(630)
852-0500 .  People were happy to help.

I bet there are a lot of stories like mine out there on the LST. If someone
were to compile them and post them somewhere (Georges, what do the Lawyers
think about this one?) I bet it could be done.  I could also see the site
as somewhere to go and make an inquire about a "hard to find" part...jd

Joe DellaFera / Margaret Murray
36' Prairie  DC "Prairie Star"
Pompano Beach, Fl.

At 05:28 PM 01/18/2002 -0600, Robert Austin wrote: >Most marine engne auxilary parts are off the shelf items--it does not >make sense to make specific parts for marine engines. The problem is >tracing down the industerial user like Joe did--perhaps a web data base >for such parts would give the marine folks some second thoughts??? >Bob Austin, A data base like the one your suggesting would be great to have but difficuilt to put together. Name brand dealers go to great lenghts to "hind" the source of the parts they sell under thier name. In this case (the spider) it was from LoveJoy Inc. (luckly marked on the piece) 1-(630) 852-0500 . People were happy to help. I bet there are a lot of stories like mine out there on the LST. If someone were to compile them and post them somewhere (Georges, what do the Lawyers think about this one?) I bet it could be done. I could also see the site as somewhere to go and make an inquire about a "hard to find" part...jd Joe DellaFera / Margaret Murray 36' Prairie DC "Prairie Star" Pompano Beach, Fl.
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cculotta@iamerica.net
Sat, Jan 19, 2002 3:29 AM

Robert Austin wrote:

Most marine engne auxilary parts are off the shelf items--it does not
make sense to make specific parts for marine engines.  The problem is
tracing down the industerial user like Joe did--

Bob,
The raw water pumps on my Perkins 6.354 are Jabsco 1 inch units. Where
Perkins puts the screws to you is they have a seal that is NOT standard for
Jabsco nor anyone else. We ckd. at a large  bearing and seal supply house
and got their master seal chart and NONE would fit.  This seal fell right
between two stock seals. The shop got one that was slightly oversize in
width and machined it dwn to the correct size!!!! There was a choice of
milling the interior of the pump or the seal, naturally we did the seal.
I knew from yrs ago that the stock Jabsco seals would not fit because I
ckd. when I pur. the boat. Perkins also has  a funny looking "O" ring in
the heat exchanger  that can only be pur fr them.  A cute price on it too.
Note that the bearing in the pump is an off the shelf item and cost a
fraction of the Perkins bearing. Naturally I have duly noted the bearing
number and also have a spare.

CCC

--
LETS ROLL!
Charles and Pat Culotta
Patterson, La.
Web Site: http://www.geocities.com/charlesculotta/

Robert Austin wrote: > Most marine engne auxilary parts are off the shelf items--it does not > make sense to make specific parts for marine engines. The problem is > tracing down the industerial user like Joe did-- Bob, The raw water pumps on my Perkins 6.354 are Jabsco 1 inch units. Where Perkins puts the screws to you is they have a seal that is NOT standard for Jabsco nor anyone else. We ckd. at a large bearing and seal supply house and got their master seal chart and NONE would fit. This seal fell right between two stock seals. The shop got one that was slightly oversize in width and machined it dwn to the correct size!!!! There was a choice of milling the interior of the pump or the seal, naturally we did the seal. I knew from yrs ago that the stock Jabsco seals would not fit because I ckd. when I pur. the boat. Perkins also has a funny looking "O" ring in the heat exchanger that can only be pur fr them. A cute price on it too. Note that the bearing in the pump is an off the shelf item and cost a fraction of the Perkins bearing. Naturally I have duly noted the bearing number and also have a spare. CCC -- LETS ROLL! Charles and Pat Culotta Patterson, La. Web Site: http://www.geocities.com/charlesculotta/
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scaramouche@tvo.org
Sat, Jan 19, 2002 3:50 AM

There was a choice of
milling the interior of the pump or the seal, naturally we did the
seal.

Why the seal? Similar thing happened to me a few years back with the
wheel bearing on a custom British built boat-trailer for a Hurley. I
honed out the backing plate to fit the next size bearing and seal.
Now I can just go to any bearing shop anywhere in the world and buy
standard parts.

George of Scaramouche, Lake Ontario, Canada

cculotta@iamerica.net writes: >There was a choice of >milling the interior of the pump or the seal, naturally we did the >seal. Why the seal? Similar thing happened to me a few years back with the wheel bearing on a custom British built boat-trailer for a Hurley. I honed out the backing plate to fit the next size bearing and seal. Now I can just go to any bearing shop anywhere in the world and buy standard parts. George of Scaramouche, Lake Ontario, Canada
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adventuresoul@yahoo.com
Wed, Jan 23, 2002 1:33 AM

So far I have now three sources of interfernce for my
VHF.
When I turn the ignition key on, causes sqwuaking,
also when I turn on fish finder and autopilot.  This
didnt use to happen.  Something changed or loosened or
??

Any ideas on how to get rid of this unwanted squaking?

Dan

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So far I have now three sources of interfernce for my VHF. When I turn the ignition key on, causes sqwuaking, also when I turn on fish finder and autopilot. This didnt use to happen. Something changed or loosened or ?? Any ideas on how to get rid of this unwanted squaking? Dan ===== __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail! http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/
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vbhodges@ardmore.com
Wed, Jan 23, 2002 2:22 PM

----- Original Message -----
From: "Dan Symula" adventuresoul@yahoo.com

So far I have now three sources of interfernce for my
VHF.
When I turn the ignition key on, causes sqwuaking,
also when I turn on fish finder and autopilot.  This
didnt use to happen.  Something changed or loosened or
??

Dan,
I have had a interference problem with my VHF for a while. It seems to be
related to my depth sounder / sonar (Interphase Probe forward looking
sonar). I knew I had a few potential problems here. First the old VHF wasn't
much, & it died (thankfully?), so I repalced it. No help with the
interference. The old antenna was pretty ragged, so I put on a new
Shakespeare "Galaxy" model 5225XT. (one of their best). Still no help.
Better signal, same noise. Knowing the wiring to the flybridge wasn't what
it should be, last weekend I ran a new circuit (#4 boat cable with 100 amp
fuse) straight from the house battery bank to a new waterproof "Blue Sea"
power panel on the flybridge. ( I knew I needed this for the future addition
of more electronics, searchlight, ect) In the re-wiring process, I found
that my old power to the VHF had untold numbers of  suspicious looking
splices, undersize wires, ect.
Now I've said all this to say this,  the weather was too bad to go out to
give this a test, so I don't know if I've solved the problem, but I plan on
a test run this weekend to find out. I'll report back. If it didn't, with
new VHF. antenna, & power source, I guess the only thing left to do is look
at sheilding the sonar form the VHF some way. Hopefully I've taken care of
the problem. As I said, I'll let you know.

On your boat, it almost has to be a loose/dirty electrical connection. It
would be a place to start.

Brent Hodges
M/V Friendship
43 Albin
Seabrook Tx

----- Original Message ----- From: "Dan Symula" <adventuresoul@yahoo.com> > So far I have now three sources of interfernce for my > VHF. > When I turn the ignition key on, causes sqwuaking, > also when I turn on fish finder and autopilot. This > didnt use to happen. Something changed or loosened or > ?? Dan, I have had a interference problem with my VHF for a while. It seems to be related to my depth sounder / sonar (Interphase Probe forward looking sonar). I knew I had a few potential problems here. First the old VHF wasn't much, & it died (thankfully?), so I repalced it. No help with the interference. The old antenna was pretty ragged, so I put on a new Shakespeare "Galaxy" model 5225XT. (one of their best). Still no help. Better signal, same noise. Knowing the wiring to the flybridge wasn't what it should be, last weekend I ran a new circuit (#4 boat cable with 100 amp fuse) straight from the house battery bank to a new waterproof "Blue Sea" power panel on the flybridge. ( I knew I needed this for the future addition of more electronics, searchlight, ect) In the re-wiring process, I found that my old power to the VHF had untold numbers of suspicious looking splices, undersize wires, ect. Now I've said all this to say this, the weather was too bad to go out to give this a test, so I don't know if I've solved the problem, but I plan on a test run this weekend to find out. I'll report back. If it didn't, with new VHF. antenna, & power source, I guess the only thing left to do is look at sheilding the sonar form the VHF some way. Hopefully I've taken care of the problem. As I said, I'll let you know. On your boat, it almost has to be a loose/dirty electrical connection. It would be a place to start. Brent Hodges M/V Friendship 43 Albin Seabrook Tx
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jhadams@fuse.net
Wed, Jan 23, 2002 2:35 PM

Interesting that you are having an interference problem with your
Interphase depth sounder.  I wrote to the list several years ago about
my saga with the same brand; with the ultimate results that I refuse to
have any of their products on my boat.  One technique that can be used
to isolate VHF noise is to use a handheld VHF to locate the source.  In
my case I found that the Interphase unit "broadcast" a lot of RF noise
out to a radius of some ten feet.  Shielding the depth sounder with
grounded foil helped a little, but then you couldn't see the display!
The handheld VHF test did indicate that the noise was not power lead
noise, but field noise.  I think you could use the handheld VHF to
locate noise all over the boat.  Worth a try.  My two cents worth.

John Adams
m/v Oriental
CT-T35

Interesting that you are having an interference problem with your Interphase depth sounder. I wrote to the list several years ago about my saga with the same brand; with the ultimate results that I refuse to have any of their products on my boat. One technique that can be used to isolate VHF noise is to use a handheld VHF to locate the source. In my case I found that the Interphase unit "broadcast" a lot of RF noise out to a radius of some ten feet. Shielding the depth sounder with grounded foil helped a little, but then you couldn't see the display! The handheld VHF test did indicate that the noise was not power lead noise, but field noise. I think you could use the handheld VHF to locate noise all over the boat. Worth a try. My two cents worth. John Adams m/v Oriental CT-T35