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docmoss@tampabay.rr.com
Sat, Apr 14, 2001 3:38 PM

Ive seen some posts lately by trawler crawlers wanting to know where to get
battery desulfators.  Here is an address which you may find useful.
regards
docmoss

http://www.windsun.com/Batteries/battery_desulfator.htm

Ive seen some posts lately by trawler crawlers wanting to know where to get battery desulfators. Here is an address which you may find useful. regards docmoss http://www.windsun.com/Batteries/battery_desulfator.htm
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adventuresoul@yahoo.com
Tue, Apr 17, 2001 2:39 PM

I am wondering if others have used any of the racor
products other than the filters. I got a catalog
yesterday and looked through it. I never realized how
much stuff they sell, like biocides, addititves, etc.
I dont think I have seen much talk of these products
and wonder if anyone has used them or can comment if
they are decent, not or what.  I am kind of anxious to
hear as I have found what appears to be a real cheap
source of these products.????

And on a side note, West marine is having its "No tax"
weekend soon, I am fairly certain it is this coming
weekend. At least on the west coast this is happening.

Dan
37 Roughwater
"Wen I Dream"


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I am wondering if others have used any of the racor products other than the filters. I got a catalog yesterday and looked through it. I never realized how much stuff they sell, like biocides, addititves, etc. I dont think I have seen much talk of these products and wonder if anyone has used them or can comment if they are decent, not or what. I am kind of anxious to hear as I have found what appears to be a real cheap source of these products.???? And on a side note, West marine is having its "No tax" weekend soon, I am fairly certain it is this coming weekend. At least on the west coast this is happening. Dan 37 Roughwater "Wen I Dream" __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/
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adventuresoul@yahoo.com
Tue, Apr 17, 2001 2:46 PM

Maybe someone can give suggestion as to the "best" way
to mount a bilge pump.  I am planning on replacing, or
at least moving my main bilge pump. It is one from
west marine, kind of small with a plastic bracket that
is screwed directly into the bilge area. I would
prefer to minimize the screw holes in the bilge if
possible. I also dont think this is the best way. I
was onboard another boat this weekend and his bilge
pumps were seemingly glued, or maybe glassed onto the
bilge area. They were mounted onto a small wooden
board first then that was glued or maybe glassed down.
What is typical and easiest to do?

Dan
37 Roughwater
"Wen I Dream"


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Maybe someone can give suggestion as to the "best" way to mount a bilge pump. I am planning on replacing, or at least moving my main bilge pump. It is one from west marine, kind of small with a plastic bracket that is screwed directly into the bilge area. I would prefer to minimize the screw holes in the bilge if possible. I also dont think this is the best way. I was onboard another boat this weekend and his bilge pumps were seemingly glued, or maybe glassed onto the bilge area. They were mounted onto a small wooden board first then that was glued or maybe glassed down. What is typical and easiest to do? Dan 37 Roughwater "Wen I Dream" __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/
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samakijoe@mediaone.net
Tue, Apr 17, 2001 5:40 PM

At 07:46 AM 04/17/2001 -0700, Dan Symula wrote:

Maybe someone can give suggestion as to the "best" way
to mount a bilge pump.
Dan
37 Roughwater
"Wen I Dream"

Dan:  I mount my pumps on 3 lbs dive weights.  They don't move and can
always be pulled out of the bilge for cleaning  As a side benefit, putting
the extra 6-9lbs down low in the bilge makes the boat a little bit more
stable...jd

Joe DellaFera / Margaret Murray
36' Prairie  DC "SAMAKI"
soon to be renamed..??..
Pompano Beach, Fl.

At 07:46 AM 04/17/2001 -0700, Dan Symula wrote: >Maybe someone can give suggestion as to the "best" way >to mount a bilge pump. >Dan >37 Roughwater >"Wen I Dream" > Dan: I mount my pumps on 3 lbs dive weights. They don't move and can always be pulled out of the bilge for cleaning As a side benefit, putting the extra 6-9lbs down low in the bilge makes the boat a little bit more stable...jd Joe DellaFera / Margaret Murray 36' Prairie DC "SAMAKI" soon to be renamed..??.. Pompano Beach, Fl.
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cculotta@iamerica.net
Tue, Apr 17, 2001 10:34 PM

Dan Symula wrote:

Maybe someone can give suggestion as to the "best" way
to mount a bilge pump.

Dan,
I have a pump , in the gray water tank, mounted on a piece of ALUMINUM
it is an old street sign. The float switch is also on it . I made the
wires leading to it long enough so that when service is required I just
pick the whole thing up fr the tank. Makes maintenance a snap.
That piece of scrap aluminum is but one of 41 different applications of
alum. stock on brd. my boat. All homemade.
CCC
Charles C. Culotta Jr.
Patterson, LA
95 Miles West of New Orleans on ICW

Dan Symula wrote: > Maybe someone can give suggestion as to the "best" way > to mount a bilge pump. Dan, I have a pump , in the gray water tank, mounted on a piece of ALUMINUM it is an old street sign. The float switch is also on it . I made the wires leading to it long enough so that when service is required I just pick the whole thing up fr the tank. Makes maintenance a snap. That piece of scrap aluminum is but one of 41 different applications of alum. stock on brd. my boat. All homemade. CCC Charles C. Culotta Jr. Patterson, LA 95 Miles West of New Orleans on ICW
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shaunsweeney@telus.net
Wed, Apr 18, 2001 3:24 AM

There will no doubt be lots of good suggestions on mounting the pump but I'd
like to mention that more pumps should have pizzo alarms connected to them.
The pumps you refer to are pretty quiet and you can be taking on water, pump
working to beat the band, and you sailing along in bliss.  An Alaskan that
sunk last year in Tennessee took on a lot of water before the skipper knew
what was happenning.

Shaun aboard Rana III

There will no doubt be lots of good suggestions on mounting the pump but I'd like to mention that more pumps should have pizzo alarms connected to them. The pumps you refer to are pretty quiet and you can be taking on water, pump working to beat the band, and you sailing along in bliss. An Alaskan that sunk last year in Tennessee took on a lot of water before the skipper knew what was happenning. Shaun aboard Rana III
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cigr@bellsouth.net
Wed, Apr 18, 2001 3:52 AM

What is a pizzo alarm and can they be used with the industrys "quiet" pumps?
Kevin
Key Largo

----- Original Message -----
From: Shaun Sweeney shaunsweeney@telus.net
To: Trawler World List trawler-world-list@samurai.com
Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2001 11:24 PM
Subject: TWL: Re: Bilge pump mounting

There will no doubt be lots of good suggestions on mounting the pump but

I'd

like to mention that more pumps should have pizzo alarms connected to

them.

The pumps you refer to are pretty quiet and you can be taking on water,

pump

working to beat the band, and you sailing along in bliss.  An Alaskan that
sunk last year in Tennessee took on a lot of water before the skipper knew
what was happenning.

Shaun aboard Rana III

What is a pizzo alarm and can they be used with the industrys "quiet" pumps? Kevin Key Largo ----- Original Message ----- From: Shaun Sweeney <shaunsweeney@telus.net> To: Trawler World List <trawler-world-list@samurai.com> Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2001 11:24 PM Subject: TWL: Re: Bilge pump mounting > There will no doubt be lots of good suggestions on mounting the pump but I'd > like to mention that more pumps should have pizzo alarms connected to them. > The pumps you refer to are pretty quiet and you can be taking on water, pump > working to beat the band, and you sailing along in bliss. An Alaskan that > sunk last year in Tennessee took on a lot of water before the skipper knew > what was happenning. > > Shaun aboard Rana III > > >
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nh2f@mouseherder.com
Wed, Apr 18, 2001 10:42 AM

Gluing it down is kind of a pain.  These things need to be replaced fairly
regularly and the baskets get all crudded up.  So even when you replace with
an exact match you want to change the basket (strainer) and than means
getting the caulk or whatever loose.  The SS plate or diving weight seems
like a good idea.

Rick


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Gluing it down is kind of a pain. These things need to be replaced fairly regularly and the baskets get all crudded up. So even when you replace with an exact match you want to change the basket (strainer) and than means getting the caulk or whatever loose. The SS plate or diving weight seems like a good idea. Rick ---------------------------------------------------------- Rick the Mouseherder - nh2f Westsail 32 Xapic, Hull #438 Annapolis, MD A small boat and a suitcase full of money beats a 40 footer tied to the Bank. Creative graphic solutions in vinyl for your boat lettering & designs http://www.mouseherder.com Visit our Westsail 32 Xapic http://www.mouseherder.com/xapic The Westsail Owners Assn. Homepage http://www.westsail.org
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Nunas@pacific.net.sg
Wed, Apr 18, 2001 11:48 AM

You're kidding...right?  I checked the calendar...this is not 1 April.

Screw the damned things down!  If you are worried about water ingress use
appropriate calking on the fasteners or make up an appropriate bracket that
attaches above the bilge water line.

For goodness sake do not attach them to five-pound weights as some have been
advising.  The last thing you need as you are turning turtle is for those
five-pound weights to go crashing through the hull or into the machinery.
Assuming you survive that, the next thing you do not want is the bilge pump
to be elsewhere or caught in the drive train...or...or...or!  Gasp!  I
shudder at the thought of anything on a boat not being properly fastened
down, especially essential pieces of her equipment.

Maurice
Maurice & Louise-Ann Nunas
M/V AKAMA
Pier 2, Ponggol Marina
Singapore

You're kidding...right? I checked the calendar...this is not 1 April. Screw the damned things down! If you are worried about water ingress use appropriate calking on the fasteners or make up an appropriate bracket that attaches above the bilge water line. For goodness sake do not attach them to five-pound weights as some have been advising. The last thing you need as you are turning turtle is for those five-pound weights to go crashing through the hull or into the machinery. Assuming you survive that, the next thing you do not want is the bilge pump to be elsewhere or caught in the drive train...or...or...or! Gasp! I shudder at the thought of anything on a boat not being properly fastened down, especially essential pieces of her equipment. Maurice Maurice & Louise-Ann Nunas M/V AKAMA Pier 2, Ponggol Marina Singapore
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samakijoe@mediaone.net
Wed, Apr 18, 2001 1:29 PM

At 07:48 PM 04/18/2001 +0800, AKAMA wrote:

You're kidding...right?  I checked the calendar...this is not 1 April.

Screw the damned things down!  If you are worried about water ingress use
appropriate calking on the fasteners or make up an appropriate bracket that
attaches above the bilge water line.

For goodness sake do not attach them to five-pound weights as some have been
advising.  The last thing you need as you are turning turtle is for those
five-pound weights to go crashing through the hull or into the machinery.
Maurice
Singapore

I've been going up and down the ICW for about 50 years.  I have not heard
of a boat "turning turtle" yet.  It never accured to me that the people
using my idea would try to cross the Ocean.  If that is the case, then, as
a young lady on "Saterday Night Live" use to say,  "NEVER MIND"...jd

Joe DellaFera / Margaret Murray
36' Prairie  DC "SAMAKI"
soon to be renamed..??..
Pompano Beach, Fl.

At 07:48 PM 04/18/2001 +0800, AKAMA wrote: >You're kidding...right? I checked the calendar...this is not 1 April. > >Screw the damned things down! If you are worried about water ingress use >appropriate calking on the fasteners or make up an appropriate bracket that >attaches above the bilge water line. > >For goodness sake do not attach them to five-pound weights as some have been >advising. The last thing you need as you are turning turtle is for those >five-pound weights to go crashing through the hull or into the machinery. >Maurice >Singapore I've been going up and down the ICW for about 50 years. I have not heard of a boat "turning turtle" yet. It never accured to me that the people using my idea would try to cross the Ocean. If that is the case, then, as a young lady on "Saterday Night Live" use to say, "NEVER MIND"...jd Joe DellaFera / Margaret Murray 36' Prairie DC "SAMAKI" soon to be renamed..??.. Pompano Beach, Fl.
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shaunsweeney@telus.net
Thu, Apr 19, 2001 12:22 AM

While we're talking about bilge pumps ... I understand that the Rule bilge
pumps are considered 'best of breed'?  I also understand that they are rated
horizontal which pretty much makes their rating useless in our environment.
Bottom line is that when you apply a bit of lift they can't move nearly as
much as they are rated for.

Anyone care to comment?

Shaun aboard Rana III

While we're talking about bilge pumps ... I understand that the Rule bilge pumps are considered 'best of breed'? I also understand that they are rated horizontal which pretty much makes their rating useless in our environment. Bottom line is that when you apply a bit of lift they can't move nearly as much as they are rated for. Anyone care to comment? Shaun aboard Rana III
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samakijoe@mediaone.net
Thu, Apr 19, 2001 12:58 AM

At 05:22 PM 04/18/2001 -0700, Shaun Sweeney wrote:

While we're talking about bilge pumps ... I understand that the Rule bilge
pumps are considered 'best of breed'?  I also understand that they are rated
horizontal which pretty much makes their rating useless in our environment.
Bottom line is that when you apply a bit of lift they can't move nearly as
much as they are rated for.

Anyone care to comment?

Shaun aboard Rana III

Thats true for any pump i.e. when you add head you always get fewer GPM.
The real world is that we need to lift the water 3-5ft to get it out of the
boat.  At a boat sometime ago I saw a Rule sales display which compared
their product with another (can't remember) brand.  The display consisted
of a couple of vertical clear tubes about 8-10 ft tall. At the base of the
tubes were connected to the output(s) of a Rile pump and another brand.
The Rule was pumping out the top and the other was not.  What's interesting
about this is that this was about 4-5 years ago (as best as I can remember)
and I have not seen the display since.  I do wish they would provide a
chart showing the % of lose at a number of different head measurements.
Hay, maybe we can get those guys that developed that SUV rollover test to
put together a test to rate bilge pumps....jd

Joe DellaFera / Margaret Murray
36' Prairie  DC "SAMAKI"
soon to be renamed..??..
Pompano Beach, Fl.

At 05:22 PM 04/18/2001 -0700, Shaun Sweeney wrote: >While we're talking about bilge pumps ... I understand that the Rule bilge >pumps are considered 'best of breed'? I also understand that they are rated >horizontal which pretty much makes their rating useless in our environment. >Bottom line is that when you apply a bit of lift they can't move nearly as >much as they are rated for. > >Anyone care to comment? > >Shaun aboard Rana III > Thats true for any pump i.e. when you add head you always get fewer GPM. The real world is that we need to lift the water 3-5ft to get it out of the boat. At a boat sometime ago I saw a Rule sales display which compared their product with another (can't remember) brand. The display consisted of a couple of vertical clear tubes about 8-10 ft tall. At the base of the tubes were connected to the output(s) of a Rile pump and another brand. The Rule was pumping out the top and the other was not. What's interesting about this is that this was about 4-5 years ago (as best as I can remember) and I have not seen the display since. I do wish they would provide a chart showing the % of lose at a number of different head measurements. Hay, maybe we can get those guys that developed that SUV rollover test to put together a test to rate bilge pumps....jd Joe DellaFera / Margaret Murray 36' Prairie DC "SAMAKI" soon to be renamed..??.. Pompano Beach, Fl.
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scaramouche@tvo.org
Thu, Apr 19, 2001 1:50 PM

What's interesting
about this is that this was about 4-5 years ago (as best as I can
remember)
and I have not seen the display since.  I do wish they would
provide a
chart showing the % of lose at a number of different head
measurements.
Hay, maybe we can get those guys that developed that SUV rollover
test to
put together a test to rate bilge pumps.

Maybe we could talk "Practical Sailor" into doing something along
that line.

I could make the request to P.S. if so desired. (I am a
member/subscriber).

George of Scaramouche, Lake Ontario, Canada

samakijoe@mediaone.net writes: > What's interesting >about this is that this was about 4-5 years ago (as best as I can >remember) > and I have not seen the display since. I do wish they would >provide a >chart showing the % of lose at a number of different head >measurements. >Hay, maybe we can get those guys that developed that SUV rollover >test to >put together a test to rate bilge pumps. Maybe we could talk "Practical Sailor" into doing something along that line. I could make the request to P.S. if so desired. (I am a member/subscriber). George of Scaramouche, Lake Ontario, Canada