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Re: [time-nuts] Morion MV89A position

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EWKehren@aol.com
Thu, Jan 30, 2014 2:05 AM

In the 70's I did a 4 inch pipe 20 feet in the ground in Dallas.
Temperature was better than 0.1 C. Got canvas coin bags from my local bank  filled
them with sand and lowered them one at a time with line each one a  subsequent
number. Used it for 18 years.
Bert Kehren

In a message dated 1/29/2014 8:46:29 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
csteinmetz@yandex.com writes:

Dave  wrote:

what about replacing your aluminium box with a, say 2 foot  piece
of  6 inch pvc pipe (ocxo suspended inside it clear of the  wall and
sealed off ends) and burying that a few feet in the  ground?

I share Poul-Henning's lack of enthusiasm for burying
electronics.  But if you try it, I'd be interested in hearing how it
works.  Depending on your climate, you may need to go deeper than a
few feet to achieve a reasonable approximation to isothermy.  Of
course, even a few feet should get you to where the rate of change of
temperature is quite slow and the peak-to-peak swing is lower than
the  outside air temperature.  (But is that the standard?  Aren't most
time-nuts labs in climate-controlled living spaces?).

If you really  want to go nuts, it's pretty simple to put the cast
aluminum box into a  larger enclosure with a small, thermostatically
controlled fan.  If  you bond a temperature sensor to the inside wall
of the cast box, it's  easy to hold the temperature of the cast box to
well within  0.1C.

Best  regards,

Charles


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In the 70's I did a 4 inch pipe 20 feet in the ground in Dallas. Temperature was better than 0.1 C. Got canvas coin bags from my local bank filled them with sand and lowered them one at a time with line each one a subsequent number. Used it for 18 years. Bert Kehren In a message dated 1/29/2014 8:46:29 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, csteinmetz@yandex.com writes: Dave wrote: >what about replacing your aluminium box with a, say 2 foot piece >of 6 inch pvc pipe (ocxo suspended inside it clear of the wall and >sealed off ends) and burying that a few feet in the ground? I share Poul-Henning's lack of enthusiasm for burying electronics. But if you try it, I'd be interested in hearing how it works. Depending on your climate, you may need to go deeper than a few feet to achieve a reasonable approximation to isothermy. Of course, even a few feet should get you to where the rate of change of temperature is quite slow and the peak-to-peak swing is lower than the outside air temperature. (But is that the standard? Aren't most time-nuts labs in climate-controlled living spaces?). If you really want to go nuts, it's pretty simple to put the cast aluminum box into a larger enclosure with a small, thermostatically controlled fan. If you bond a temperature sensor to the inside wall of the cast box, it's easy to hold the temperature of the cast box to well within 0.1C. Best regards, Charles _______________________________________________ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
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Hal Murray
Thu, Jan 30, 2014 9:16 AM

In the 70's I did a 4 inch pipe 20 feet in the ground in Dallas.
Temperature was better than 0.1 C.

Over what time period?  Dry ground or wet?  How deep is your water table?  ...

Temperature in the ground is a skin-depth problem.  Lower frequencies will go
deeper.

Next time somebody digs a hole like that, it would be fun to put a string of
thermometers in it.

Goodies from google:
http://www.builditsolar.com/Projects/Cooling/EarthTemperatures.htm
http://topex.ucsd.edu/geodynamics/HW3_2011_presentations/C_wine_cellar.pdf

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These are my opinions.  I hate spam.

> In the 70's I did a 4 inch pipe 20 feet in the ground in Dallas. > Temperature was better than 0.1 C. Over what time period? Dry ground or wet? How deep is your water table? ... Temperature in the ground is a skin-depth problem. Lower frequencies will go deeper. Next time somebody digs a hole like that, it would be fun to put a string of thermometers in it. Goodies from google: http://www.builditsolar.com/Projects/Cooling/EarthTemperatures.htm http://topex.ucsd.edu/geodynamics/HW3_2011_presentations/C_wine_cellar.pdf -- These are my opinions. I hate spam.