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Stirring the Fuel Tanks

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Mike Maurice
Mon, Feb 19, 2007 6:25 PM

Polishing diesel fuel tanks is a waste of time and money if the sludge
has settled to the bottom of the tanks. If you can stir the tank up
enough to get the sludge to break loose and float around in the fuel,
then polishing will remove the unwanted material.

A cleaning operation that does not break the sludge loose and then
filter it out is a waste of time and money. Pressure washing the inside
of the tank to break the sludge loose, followed by filtering should be
satisfactory. But, simple "polishing" of clean fuel is a fine way to
separate you from your money, without doing anything for the safety of
your vessel.

Mike


Capt. Mike Maurice
Beaverton Oregon(Near Portland)

Polishing diesel fuel tanks is a waste of time and money if the sludge has settled to the bottom of the tanks. If you can stir the tank up enough to get the sludge to break loose and float around in the fuel, then polishing will remove the unwanted material. A cleaning operation that does not break the sludge loose and then filter it out is a waste of time and money. Pressure washing the inside of the tank to break the sludge loose, followed by filtering should be satisfactory. But, simple "polishing" of clean fuel is a fine way to separate you from your money, without doing anything for the safety of your vessel. Mike _____________________________________ Capt. Mike Maurice Beaverton Oregon(Near Portland)
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Keith
Mon, Feb 19, 2007 6:52 PM

Well I guess there's polishing and then there's "polishing". Depends on who
does it. When the guys came out to do mine, we opened the inspection port on
the side of the tank. They put the suction line in through the fuel fill,
and had a hose with a length of copper tubing for a return. Acted like a
pressure washing wand. They blasted all over the inside of the tank, going
into each baffled section as best as they could. It could have been better
if we had inspection ports in each section (which I do now), but was pretty
effective, and better than nothing for sure. When we emptied the tank and
installed the inspection ports a few years later, the sections were pretty
darned clean. I attribute that to both the initial polishing and the use of
Soltron/Startron. Oh yea, and my onboard "polishing" system.

Keith


If a 911 operator has a heart attack, whom does he/she call?
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mike Maurice" mikem@yachtsdelivered.com

Polishing diesel fuel tanks is a waste of time and money if the sludge
has settled to the bottom of the tanks. If you can stir the tank up
enough to get the sludge to break loose and float around in the fuel,
then polishing will remove the unwanted material.

A cleaning operation that does not break the sludge loose and then
filter it out is a waste of time and money. Pressure washing the inside
of the tank to break the sludge loose, followed by filtering should be
satisfactory. But, simple "polishing" of clean fuel is a fine way to
separate you from your money, without doing anything for the safety of
your vessel.

Well I guess there's polishing and then there's "polishing". Depends on who does it. When the guys came out to do mine, we opened the inspection port on the side of the tank. They put the suction line in through the fuel fill, and had a hose with a length of copper tubing for a return. Acted like a pressure washing wand. They blasted all over the inside of the tank, going into each baffled section as best as they could. It could have been better if we had inspection ports in each section (which I do now), but was pretty effective, and better than nothing for sure. When we emptied the tank and installed the inspection ports a few years later, the sections were pretty darned clean. I attribute that to both the initial polishing and the use of Soltron/Startron. Oh yea, and my onboard "polishing" system. Keith _____ If a 911 operator has a heart attack, whom does he/she call? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Maurice" <mikem@yachtsdelivered.com> > Polishing diesel fuel tanks is a waste of time and money if the sludge > has settled to the bottom of the tanks. If you can stir the tank up > enough to get the sludge to break loose and float around in the fuel, > then polishing will remove the unwanted material. > > A cleaning operation that does not break the sludge loose and then > filter it out is a waste of time and money. Pressure washing the inside > of the tank to break the sludge loose, followed by filtering should be > satisfactory. But, simple "polishing" of clean fuel is a fine way to > separate you from your money, without doing anything for the safety of > your vessel.
AJ
Arild Jensen
Tue, Feb 20, 2007 2:46 AM

-----Original Message-----
Keith wrote:

They blasted all over the inside of the tank, going

into each baffled section as best as they could. It could have
been better if we had inspection ports in each section (which I do now),

but

was pretty effective, and better than nothing for sure.

REPLY
Keith I'm curious about how effective the tank "blasting" actually was when
only one inspection port was available.
Also you indicate that you added additional ports later on. In retrospect,
was the addition of the additional ports a significant technical improvement
or was it as much a peace of mind kind of deal.
Some boats with belly tanks simply do not provide access to much of the tank
top area unless you rip out the interior bulkheads and or built in cabinets.

regards
Arild

> -----Original Message----- > Keith wrote: They blasted all over the inside of the tank, going > into each baffled section as best as they could. It could have > been better if we had inspection ports in each section (which I do now), but > was pretty effective, and better than nothing for sure. REPLY Keith I'm curious about how effective the tank "blasting" actually was when only one inspection port was available. Also you indicate that you added additional ports later on. In retrospect, was the addition of the additional ports a significant technical improvement or was it as much a peace of mind kind of deal. Some boats with belly tanks simply do not provide access to much of the tank top area unless you rip out the interior bulkheads and or built in cabinets. regards Arild
K
Keith
Tue, Feb 20, 2007 10:28 AM

Well, these tanks are on the sides of the boat. They are widest at the top,
and follow the hull curve down to their inside wall, so the lowest point in
the tanks is the junction between a vertical wall and the sloping side; no
flat bottoms. There are cutouts at that point at each baffle, so we could
pass the tube through there and blast all through the tank, at the lowest
point. I couldn't tell you how bad the tanks were to begin with... one of
the few times I didn't take pictures of something. I do know they got a fair
amount of crud out. They were using a stacked disk centrifuge to clean it,
which was interesting in and of itself. Like I mentioned earlier, I shocked
the fuel with Soltron before they did this, then have used it ever since and
never had any problems. I can tell you that these guys worked really hard at
trying to stir up the tanks and getting all the crud out. I think they
filtered each tank for maybe three hours, and probably half of that time
they were in there working that wand around, breaking stuff loose as best
they could.

The reason I added the other inspection ports was that there was a tiny leak
somewhere in the tank. We added three other inspection ports in the inside
SIDE of the tank, not the top. Used these: http://www.seabuilt.com/ When we
opened the tank up, I do have pictures of it. There was almost no sludge,
maybe a slight coating, less than 1/8" or so. Mostly what was on the bottom
appeared to be rust particles that had dropped from the top of the tank,
where the diesel hardly ever touches. I don't fill my tanks so that it
gushes out the vent for obvious reasons, and probably leave about 50 gallons
of empty space in there even when I fill up. At any rate, the tank was
pretty clean when we installed the other inspection ports. I hope to never
have to open them again! Oh yea, to stop the leak, we cleaned the inside of
the tank very well, sanded to bright metal and coated with aviation fuel
tank liner. Worked great.

Keith


Why is the person who invests all your money called a broker?
----- Original Message -----
From: "Arild Jensen" elnav@telus.net

REPLY
Keith I'm curious about how effective the tank "blasting" actually was
when
only one inspection port was available.
Also you indicate that you added additional ports later on. In retrospect,
was the addition of the additional ports a significant technical
improvement
or was it as much a peace of mind kind of deal.
Some boats with belly tanks simply do not provide access to much of the
tank
top area unless you rip out the interior bulkheads and or built in
cabinets.

Well, these tanks are on the sides of the boat. They are widest at the top, and follow the hull curve down to their inside wall, so the lowest point in the tanks is the junction between a vertical wall and the sloping side; no flat bottoms. There are cutouts at that point at each baffle, so we could pass the tube through there and blast all through the tank, at the lowest point. I couldn't tell you how bad the tanks were to begin with... one of the few times I didn't take pictures of something. I do know they got a fair amount of crud out. They were using a stacked disk centrifuge to clean it, which was interesting in and of itself. Like I mentioned earlier, I shocked the fuel with Soltron before they did this, then have used it ever since and never had any problems. I can tell you that these guys worked really hard at trying to stir up the tanks and getting all the crud out. I think they filtered each tank for maybe three hours, and probably half of that time they were in there working that wand around, breaking stuff loose as best they could. The reason I added the other inspection ports was that there was a tiny leak somewhere in the tank. We added three other inspection ports in the inside SIDE of the tank, not the top. Used these: http://www.seabuilt.com/ When we opened the tank up, I do have pictures of it. There was almost no sludge, maybe a slight coating, less than 1/8" or so. Mostly what was on the bottom appeared to be rust particles that had dropped from the top of the tank, where the diesel hardly ever touches. I don't fill my tanks so that it gushes out the vent for obvious reasons, and probably leave about 50 gallons of empty space in there even when I fill up. At any rate, the tank was pretty clean when we installed the other inspection ports. I hope to never have to open them again! Oh yea, to stop the leak, we cleaned the inside of the tank very well, sanded to bright metal and coated with aviation fuel tank liner. Worked great. Keith _____ Why is the person who invests all your money called a broker? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Arild Jensen" <elnav@telus.net> > > REPLY > Keith I'm curious about how effective the tank "blasting" actually was > when > only one inspection port was available. > Also you indicate that you added additional ports later on. In retrospect, > was the addition of the additional ports a significant technical > improvement > or was it as much a peace of mind kind of deal. > Some boats with belly tanks simply do not provide access to much of the > tank > top area unless you rip out the interior bulkheads and or built in > cabinets.