Well said! Michael Jurlina Captain, Boeing 777 American Airlines-DFW 214-695-1733 mkj777@flash.net > On Apr 8, 2017, at 06:47, Randy Pickelmann <rwp_48@yahoo.com> wrote: > > Hi Ann! > Don't take it personally and don't let it ruin your day. We've all been there! > > Some of these guys are a bit power hungry. I had a similar conversation one day at Anna Maria Island. I asked him if he would assume responsibility for my boat if there was an accident. Of course he said no way. I told him OK, then open the damm bridge. I pointed out that because of people like me, people like him had a job. That probably didn't endear me to him but he opened the bridge while threatening to notify the CG. But it never happened. > > At the end of the day it's your boat and your responsibility. Have fun and be safe! > > Regards, > Randy Pickelmann > Morning Star-lying Sunset Bay Marina-Stuart, FL > Cool Change-hard aground in Thomaston, ME > www.CruisingMorningStar.com > Sent from my iPad

Many years ago I applied for a job as Bridge Tender. Won't list the bridge is now a fixed span but the mechanism was in sorry shape. You had to run up and down a rickety steep staircase during both opening and closing to make a demand down at the mechanism and could not do the whole operation from the control room. Was told was and danger because if it malfunctioned you didn't know until you got back up to the control and observed what the span was doing. You cautioned vessels to wait for permission before entering the span area passage but as soon as it started up someone would dash to be first not realizing the motion could stop or reverse on its own and the tender was not at the controls. There was over the years both boat damage and damage to the bridge preventing passage for many days. Since it was the only bridge to a large island if it had stopped open partially the issue would have been major. After spending several shifts there with the experienced operator, decided didn't need the stress or responsibility so tenders can get frustrated too. On 4/8/2017 11:46 AM, Michael Jurlina wrote: > Well said! > > Michael Jurlina > Captain, Boeing 777 > American Airlines-DFW > 214-695-1733 > mkj777@flash.net > >> On Apr 8, 2017, at 06:47, Randy Pickelmann <rwp_48@yahoo.com> wrote: >> >> Hi Ann! >> Don't take it personally and don't let it ruin your day. We've all been there! >> >> Some of these guys are a bit power hungry. I had a similar conversation one day at Anna Maria Island. I asked him if he would assume responsibility for my boat if there was an accident. Of course he said no way. I told him OK, then open the damm bridge. I pointed out that because of people like me, people like him had a job. That probably didn't endear me to him but he opened the bridge while threatening to notify the CG. But it never happened. >> >> At the end of the day it's your boat and your responsibility. Have fun and be safe! >> >> Regards, >> Randy Pickelmann >> Morning Star-lying Sunset Bay Marina-Stuart, FL >> Cool Change-hard aground in Thomaston, ME >> www.CruisingMorningStar.com >> Sent from my iPad > > _______________________________________________ > http://lists.trawlering.com/mailman/listinfo/great-loop_lists.trawlering.com > > To modify your Great-Loop subscription options (change email address, > unsubscribe, etc.) go to: http://lists.trawlering.com/mailman/options/great-loop_lists.trawlering.com > -- Capt.Len Susman Rtd Trikini Trimarans

About ten years ago, we had a new tender on a busy bridge in New Jersey. He wouldn't answer radio calls from most recreational boats, just from commercial ones, and when he did answer, he was nasty and refused openings many times. We took the audio output of a channel 13 receiver into the microphone input to a PC, then used recording software to record and time stamp all received transmissions. The resulting CD was sent to the district C.G. bridge office. The C.G. got the bridge owner to correct the problem VERY quickly! It's hard to argue with a photograph or a recording of the perp in action. Kevin

Long long ago, one of Hackensack River bridge operators was known to sleep on the job with his radio off ... so one of the tug captains rowed out there late at night and shotgunned every light on the bridge ... and then he rowed away into the night. Service improved dramatically, though I don't recommend this technique. :) Decades later, I wound up on that same river with the same problems ... so I did post all their phone numbers on my website. That helped. Fred Tug 44 ---------------------------------------- From: "Kevin Redden" <kfredden@verizon.net> Sent: Saturday, April 08, 2017 5:04 PM To: great-loop@lists.trawlering.com Subject: Re: GL: Refuses Bridge Opening About ten years ago, we had a new tender on a busy bridge in New Jersey. He wouldn't answer radio calls from most recreational boats, just from commercial ones, and when he did answer, he was nasty and refused openings many times. We took the audio output of a channel 13 receiver into the microphone input to a PC, then used recording software to record and time stamp all received transmissions. The resulting CD was sent to the district C.G. bridge office. The C.G. got the bridge owner to correct the problem VERY quickly! It's hard to argue with a photograph or a recording of the perp in action. Kevin _______________________________________________ http://lists.trawlering.com/mailman/listinfo/great-loop_lists.trawlering.com To modify your Great-Loop subscription options (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) go to: http://lists.trawlering.com/mailman/options/great-loop_lists.trawlering.com

Now that's the way to secure change! Michael Jurlina Captain, Boeing 777 American Airlines-DFW 214-695-1733 mkj777@flash.net > On Apr 8, 2017, at 16:16, "fred@tug44.org" <fred@tug44.org> wrote: > > Long long ago, one of Hackensack River bridge operators was known to sleep > on the job with his radio off ... so one of the tug captains rowed out > there late at night and shotgunned every light on the bridge ... and then > he rowed away into the night. > > Service improved dramatically, though I don't recommend this technique. > :) > > Decades later, I wound up on that same river with the same problems ... > so I did post all their phone numbers on my website. That helped. > > Fred > Tug 44 > > > > > ---------------------------------------- > From: "Kevin Redden" <kfredden@verizon.net> > Sent: Saturday, April 08, 2017 5:04 PM > To: great-loop@lists.trawlering.com > Subject: Re: GL: Refuses Bridge Opening > About ten years ago, we had a new tender on a busy bridge in New Jersey. > He > wouldn't answer radio calls from most recreational boats, just from > commercial ones, and when he did answer, he was nasty and refused openings > many times. > > We took the audio output of a channel 13 receiver into the microphone > input > to a PC, then used recording software to record and time stamp all > received > transmissions. The resulting CD was sent to the district C.G. bridge > office. > The C.G. got the bridge owner to correct the problem VERY quickly! > > It's hard to argue with a photograph or a recording of the perp in action. > > Kevin > > _______________________________________________ > http://lists.trawlering.com/mailman/listinfo/great-loop_lists.trawlering.com > > > To modify your Great-Loop subscription options (change email address, > unsubscribe, etc.) go to: > http://lists.trawlering.com/mailman/options/great-loop_lists.trawlering.com > > > > > _______________________________________________ > http://lists.trawlering.com/mailman/listinfo/great-loop_lists.trawlering.com > > To modify your Great-Loop subscription options (change email address, > unsubscribe, etc.) go to: http://lists.trawlering.com/mailman/options/great-loop_lists.trawlering.com

Actually the tender can not refuse to open on demand or scheduled opening, they can caution the boater if the USCG rules that you the boater could have removed gear and cleared then a fine maybe issued and that fine can be $25,000.00 dollars. The other side of the coin is if they refuse you the boater an opening and the boater can not clear then then the authority of that bride may receive that same fine, $25,000.00. It is a or either you or the bridge. Once the complaint has been issued, by either party, then USCG will review all evidence then will make a ruling one way or the other. So bottom line for us boaters is to document everything and be professional about it. This will serve your best interest. Make sure you have a true request and you can not go wrong. Be safe out there! On Sun, Apr 9, 2017 at 3:46 PM, Michael Jurlina <mkj777@flash.net> wrote: > Now that's the way to secure change! > > Michael Jurlina > Captain, Boeing 777 > American Airlines-DFW > 214-695-1733 > mkj777@flash.net > > > On Apr 8, 2017, at 16:16, "fred@tug44.org" <fred@tug44.org> wrote: > > > > Long long ago, one of Hackensack River bridge operators was known to > sleep > > on the job with his radio off ... so one of the tug captains rowed out > > there late at night and shotgunned every light on the bridge ... and then > > he rowed away into the night. > > > > Service improved dramatically, though I don't recommend this technique. > > :) > > > > Decades later, I wound up on that same river with the same problems ... > > so I did post all their phone numbers on my website. That helped. > > > > Fred > > Tug 44 > > > > > > > > > > ---------------------------------------- > > From: "Kevin Redden" <kfredden@verizon.net> > > Sent: Saturday, April 08, 2017 5:04 PM > > To: great-loop@lists.trawlering.com > > Subject: Re: GL: Refuses Bridge Opening > > About ten years ago, we had a new tender on a busy bridge in New Jersey. > > He > > wouldn't answer radio calls from most recreational boats, just from > > commercial ones, and when he did answer, he was nasty and refused > openings > > many times. > > > > We took the audio output of a channel 13 receiver into the microphone > > input > > to a PC, then used recording software to record and time stamp all > > received > > transmissions. The resulting CD was sent to the district C.G. bridge > > office. > > The C.G. got the bridge owner to correct the problem VERY quickly! > > > > It's hard to argue with a photograph or a recording of the perp in > action. > > > > Kevin > > > > _______________________________________________ > > http://lists.trawlering.com/mailman/listinfo/great-loop_ > lists.trawlering.com > > > > > > To modify your Great-Loop subscription options (change email address, > > unsubscribe, etc.) go to: > > http://lists.trawlering.com/mailman/options/great-loop_ > lists.trawlering.com > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > http://lists.trawlering.com/mailman/listinfo/great-loop_ > lists.trawlering.com > > > > To modify your Great-Loop subscription options (change email address, > > unsubscribe, etc.) go to: http://lists.trawlering.com/ > mailman/options/great-loop_lists.trawlering.com > > > _______________________________________________ > http://lists.trawlering.com/mailman/listinfo/great-loop_ > lists.trawlering.com > > To modify your Great-Loop subscription options (change email address, > unsubscribe, etc.) go to: http://lists.trawlering.com/ > mailman/options/great-loop_lists.trawlering.com > -- Galen Johnston Consultant ** Boating Education* ** **Instructional Design & Delivery* ** Power Systems*

Does that legal situation apply to ALL bridges, or is that unique to bridges over the ICW in which the USCG might have jurisdiction? What about state-operated bridges (as are most) that are not over the ICW ? R. -----Original Message----- From: Great-Loop [mailto:great-loop-bounces@lists.trawlering.com] On Behalf Of Galen Johnston Actually the tender can not refuse to open on demand or scheduled opening, they can caution the boater if the USCG rules that you the boater could have removed gear and cleared then a fine maybe issued and that fine can be $25,000.00 dollars. The other side of the coin is if they refuse you the boater an opening and the boater can not clear then then the authority of that bride may receive that same fine, $25,000.00. It is a or either you or the bridge. Once the complaint has been issued, by either party, then USCG will review all evidence then will make a ruling one way or the other. So bottom line for us boaters is to document everything and be professional about it. This will serve your best interest. Make sure you have a true request and you can not go wrong. Be safe out there!

That I am not prepare a conclusive answer to all bridges. All the bridges I deal with are, ICW, city, county, and Federal, which the Feds replaced with 65 clearance fixed span. I thick the term they used is navigable waters. On Apr 10, 2017 6:43 PM, "Ralph Yost" <ralph@alphacompservices.com> wrote: > Does that legal situation apply to ALL bridges, or is that unique to > bridges > over the ICW in which the USCG might have jurisdiction? What about > state-operated bridges (as are most) that are not over the ICW ? > R. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Great-Loop [mailto:great-loop-bounces@lists.trawlering.com] On > Behalf > Of Galen Johnston > Actually the tender can not refuse to open on demand or scheduled opening, > they can caution the boater if the USCG rules that you the boater could > have > removed gear and cleared then a fine maybe issued and that fine can be > $25,000.00 dollars. The other side of the coin is if they refuse you the > boater an opening and the boater can not clear then then the authority of > that bride may receive that same fine, $25,000.00. It is a or either you > or > the bridge. Once the complaint has been issued, by either party, then USCG > will review all evidence then will make a ruling one way or the other. So > bottom line for us boaters is to document everything and be professional > about it. This will serve your best interest. Make sure you have a true > request and you can not go wrong. Be safe out there! > > >

All bridges on "the navigable waters of the United States." That happens to include the ICW, which enjoys no other special distinction. The CG does not operate bridges; they are all operated by state, county, city, or private entities. All must comply with the CFRs. -Sean m/y Vector lying New Orleans. LA http://OurOdyssey.BlogSpot.com On 04/10/2017 05:43 PM, Ralph Yost wrote: > Does that legal situation apply to ALL bridges, or is that unique to bridges > over the ICW in which the USCG might have jurisdiction? What about > state-operated bridges (as are most) that are not over the ICW ? >