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Re: T&T: Form 1583 was: Brit doing the Loop & Insurance

Dave Cooper

Mon, Feb 11, 2008 9:28 PM

If you don't live in the US then it is difficult to fill this form out and
without it done correctly you get rejected.

Two forms of Photo ID are required with addresses on them. Our US Passports
don't have addresses and but our BVI driver's licenses do, but that is not a
US address....Gotcha!

SO it's not quite as easy as it once was for folks cruising outside the US
to get a mail drop and/or address!

I don't think that the folks that asked for help will find it easy to do so
either.

Dave & Nancy
Swan Song
Roughwater 58

We have been trying to do this for some time with many different services without success. All of the mail services require a filled out notarized Form 1583 plus two forms of ID, notarized, showing your current US Address. If you don't live in the US then it is difficult to fill this form out and without it done correctly you get rejected. Two forms of Photo ID are required with addresses on them. Our US Passports don't have addresses and but our BVI driver's licenses do, but that is not a US address....Gotcha! SO it's not quite as easy as it once was for folks cruising outside the US to get a mail drop and/or address! I don't think that the folks that asked for help will find it easy to do so either. Dave & Nancy Swan Song Roughwater 58

Mark Andrew

Tue, Feb 12, 2008 4:24 AM

Here's a fairly convoluted possible solution, keep in mind I'm making a
suggestion in order to "save your dream". The following is do-able:

I'm a apt building owner in Chicago( just 3 units). You could go to
Chicago, rent a cheap apt, after your first month, sublease it (landlords in
Chicago are required to accept an 'acceptable' sub-lessee), and ask the
sub-lessee to forward any mail from the insurance company to where you'd
normally like to receive it.

I've rented to expats before, so your being from out of the country in a
cosmopolitan city like Chicago shouldn't be an impediment to your finding a
small apt to get a lease on. You can probably do the whole deal in a
weekend visit to Chicago.

This may work in other cities...I just happen to know about Chicago tenant
law. This is not illegal or even unprecedented, I've had tenants need to
leave after a month for a work transfer..but since they're obligated for
their year's lease, they were responsible for finding a 'replacement'
tenant, which due to Chicago Landlord/tenant ordinance, I was required to
accept. I'd have to show cause for not accepting a replacement...say a bad
credit rating, etc, but that doesn't often happen, and you can use a
apt-hunting agency to find your 'replacement'...they'll do the leg work and
credit check for the landlord. Actually, normally the landlord won't care,
he just wants someone to pay the rent each month. One such company is
www.aptpeople.com

In a part of Chicago, say, like Lincoln Park, you can find inexpensive apts,
and it won't be hard to find a young person or two to become your
sub-lessees. They'll pay the landlord directly...you'll have little or no
dealing with them once they 'take over' your lease. They should be happy to
forward insurance correspondence. Or use the apt address to set up once and
for all, a forwarding agency as discussed previously on the listserv.

What makes this legal is that you're still technically responsible for the
rented apt condition at lease end, so there might be some risk, albeit small
in my experience. You will hold a damage deposit from the 'replacement
tenant' so it's usually not a concern (the landlord will hold your own
deposit to make it a wash)...the young kids just out of college looking for
small apts in Lincoln Park are usually interested in getting their deposit
back. You won't have to deal with them, the landlord is responsible, just
as if they were the original lessors.

Anyway, it's less trouble than it sounds...and if it's the only way to get
an address to make your dream come true, it's a readily available solution.

Mark
"Black River"
Holland, MI

-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:trawlers-and-trawlering-bounces@lists.samurai.com] On Behalf Of Dave
Cooper
Sent: Monday, February 11, 2008 4:28 PM
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Cc: rowenagrant@btinternet.com
Subject: Re: T&T: Form 1583 was: Brit doing the Loop & Insurance

If you don't live in the US then it is difficult to fill this form out and
without it done correctly you get rejected.

Two forms of Photo ID are required with addresses on them. Our US Passports
don't have addresses and but our BVI driver's licenses do, but that is not a
US address....Gotcha!

SO it's not quite as easy as it once was for folks cruising outside the US
to get a mail drop and/or address!

I don't think that the folks that asked for help will find it easy to do so
either.

Dave & Nancy
Swan Song
Roughwater 58

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Here's a fairly convoluted possible solution, keep in mind I'm making a suggestion in order to "save your dream". The following is do-able: I'm a apt building owner in Chicago( just 3 units). You could go to Chicago, rent a cheap apt, after your first month, sublease it (landlords in Chicago are required to accept an 'acceptable' sub-lessee), and ask the sub-lessee to forward any mail from the insurance company to where you'd normally like to receive it. I've rented to expats before, so your being from out of the country in a cosmopolitan city like Chicago shouldn't be an impediment to your finding a small apt to get a lease on. You can probably do the whole deal in a weekend visit to Chicago. This may work in other cities...I just happen to know about Chicago tenant law. This is not illegal or even unprecedented, I've had tenants need to leave after a month for a work transfer..but since they're obligated for their year's lease, they were responsible for finding a 'replacement' tenant, which due to Chicago Landlord/tenant ordinance, I was required to accept. I'd have to show cause for not accepting a replacement...say a bad credit rating, etc, but that doesn't often happen, and you can use a apt-hunting agency to find your 'replacement'...they'll do the leg work and credit check for the landlord. Actually, normally the landlord won't care, he just wants someone to pay the rent each month. One such company is www.aptpeople.com In a part of Chicago, say, like Lincoln Park, you can find inexpensive apts, and it won't be hard to find a young person or two to become your sub-lessees. They'll pay the landlord directly...you'll have little or no dealing with them once they 'take over' your lease. They should be happy to forward insurance correspondence. Or use the apt address to set up once and for all, a forwarding agency as discussed previously on the listserv. What makes this legal is that you're still technically responsible for the rented apt condition at lease end, so there might be some risk, albeit small in my experience. You will hold a damage deposit from the 'replacement tenant' so it's usually not a concern (the landlord will hold your own deposit to make it a wash)...the young kids just out of college looking for small apts in Lincoln Park are usually interested in getting their deposit back. You won't have to deal with them, the landlord is responsible, just as if they were the original lessors. Anyway, it's less trouble than it sounds...and if it's the only way to get an address to make your dream come true, it's a readily available solution. Mark "Black River" Holland, MI -----Original Message----- From: trawlers-and-trawlering-bounces@lists.samurai.com [mailto:trawlers-and-trawlering-bounces@lists.samurai.com] On Behalf Of Dave Cooper Sent: Monday, February 11, 2008 4:28 PM To: 'TrawlerList TrawlerList' Cc: rowenagrant@btinternet.com Subject: Re: T&T: Form 1583 was: Brit doing the Loop & Insurance We have been trying to do this for some time with many different services without success. All of the mail services require a filled out notarized Form 1583 plus two forms of ID, notarized, showing your current US Address. If you don't live in the US then it is difficult to fill this form out and without it done correctly you get rejected. Two forms of Photo ID are required with addresses on them. Our US Passports don't have addresses and but our BVI driver's licenses do, but that is not a US address....Gotcha! SO it's not quite as easy as it once was for folks cruising outside the US to get a mail drop and/or address! I don't think that the folks that asked for help will find it easy to do so either. Dave & Nancy Swan Song Roughwater 58 _______________________________________________ http://lists.samurai.com/mailman/listinfo/trawlers-and-trawlering To unsubscribe or modify your subscription options (get password, change email address, etc) go to: http://lists.samurai.com/mailman/options/trawlers-and-trawlering Trawlers & Trawlering and T&T are trademarks of Water World Productions. Unauthorized use is prohibited.