Hi Sandy et al
This advice is not consistent with advice
given by Prof Bryn Grenyer PBA president to a NSW Dept of Health Psychology Advisors  meeting on 5.8.10.
His advice was that the intention was that the 10 hours of  supervision applies to your presentation of your own material only. And that the others in the group could claim general PD hours for time spent if presentation is reflected upon.
Regards
Ann
-----Original Message-----
From: Sandy Kastner tasmanpsychservices@westnet.com.au
To:  office@list.acpa.org.au

Sent: 30/08/2010 4:40:42 PM
Subject: [ACPA] hello all!

Oh joy and bliss we have a new list!

Hello all - so nice to be in touch again :)

I'm going to raise an issue here that Derek has put on the forum re CPD (and I hope Derek gets this email too!). Has anyone followed up with the board what exactly the peer consultation process means? I belong to a peer supervision group of six, and my understanding of it was that with six in a group, 60 hours would be required if all are to have 10 hours of personal reflection a year -- which is mega onerous!! One of our group followed this up with the board and a person from the PBA Tasmania office responded thus:

Hi Team

Responses to Questions in red

1. The guidelines state
   'A psychologist must complete a minimum of 10 hours of peer consultation a year within the 30 hours CPD required each year...a minimum of 10 hours each year and those hours must be focused on the psychologist’s own practice. ‘
   Does that mean that each person must spend 10 hours per year presenting, consuting with or talking about their practice in the group. If so, does this mean that a peer supervision group with 6 members would have to meet for 60 hours a year to fulfill this requirement, as each individual member would need to have 10 hours focussed on their practice?
   How do other members (those not presenting or focussing specifically on their practice, but rather listening and contributing to the learning of their colleague) allocate their time under the CPD guidelines?

It means that if a group of 6 people meet for 10 hours in a year, that fulfills that criteria for everyone in the group because the emphasis is on peer CONSULTATION, and the whole process is about peer consultation, so it does not mean each person has to present for 10 hours.

Now, I don't trust this response as it really isn't consistent with what the guidelines state and wonder if anyone else has had a different explanation from the PBA?
I look forward to your thoughts!
Regards Sandy

Sandy Kastner
Clinical Psychologist (MACPA)
Tasman Psychological Services
Mobile: 0400-528-284
Email: tasmanpsychservices@westnet.com.au

Disclaimer: Unless explicitly attributed, the opinions expressed in this email are those of the author only and do not represent the official view of Northern Sydney Central Coast Health nor the New South Wales Government.

Dear All,
I was at the meeting where Brin confirmed this:

ONLY the time spent on YOUR OWN work counts as supervision, time spent
reflecting on others' work is general PD.

This is in the guidelines too:

"To be approved by the Board for the purpose of CPD, the peer
consultation must be:

• in either a group or individual format
• a minimum of 10 hours each year and those hours MUST BE FOCUSED ON THE
  PSYCHOLOGIST'S OWN PRACTICE"

Judy

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[mailto:office-bounces@list.acpa.org.au] On Behalf Of Ann Wignall
Sent: Monday, 30 August 2010 4:53 PM
To: office@list.acpa.org.au; tasmanpsychservices@westnet.com.au
Subject: Re: [ACPA] hello all!

Hi Sandy et al
This advice is not consistent with advice
given by Prof Bryn Grenyer PBA president to a NSW Dept of Health
Psychology Advisors  meeting on 5.8.10.
His advice was that the intention was that the 10 hours of  supervision
applies to your presentation of your own material only. And that the
others in the group could claim general PD hours for time spent if
presentation is reflected upon.
Regards
Ann
-----Original Message-----
From: Sandy Kastner tasmanpsychservices@westnet.com.au
To:  office@list.acpa.org.au

Sent: 30/08/2010 4:40:42 PM
Subject: [ACPA] hello all!

Oh joy and bliss we have a new list!

Hello all - so nice to be in touch again :)

I'm going to raise an issue here that Derek has put on the forum re CPD
(and I hope Derek gets this email too!). Has anyone followed up with the
board what exactly the peer consultation process means? I belong to a
peer supervision group of six, and my understanding of it was that with
six in a group, 60 hours would be required if all are to have 10 hours
of personal reflection a year -- which is mega onerous!! One of our
group followed this up with the board and a person from the PBA Tasmania
office responded thus:

Hi Team

Responses to Questions in red

1. The guidelines state
   'A psychologist must complete a minimum of 10 hours of peer consultation
   a year within the 30 hours CPD required each year...a minimum of 10
   hours each year and those hours must be focused on the psychologist's
   own practice. '
   Does that mean that each person must spend 10 hours per year presenting,
   consuting with or talking about their practice in the group. If so, does
   this mean that a peer supervision group with 6 members would have to
   meet for 60 hours a year to fulfill this requirement, as each individual
   member would need to have 10 hours focussed on their practice?
   How do other members (those not presenting or focussing specifically on
   their practice, but rather listening and contributing to the learning of
   their colleague) allocate their time under the CPD guidelines?

It means that if a group of 6 people meet for 10 hours in a year, that
fulfills that criteria for everyone in the group because the emphasis is
on peer CONSULTATION, and the whole process is about peer consultation,
so it does not mean each person has to present for 10 hours.

Now, I don't trust this response as it really isn't consistent with
what the guidelines state and wonder if anyone else has had a different
explanation from the PBA?
I look forward to your thoughts!
Regards Sandy

Sandy Kastner
Clinical Psychologist (MACPA)
Tasman Psychological Services
Mobile: 0400-528-284
Email: tasmanpsychservices@westnet.com.au

Disclaimer: Unless explicitly attributed, the opinions expressed in this
email are those of the author only and do not represent the official
view of Northern Sydney Central Coast Health nor the New South Wales
Government.

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A clarification on my last post. I meant to write ...

The APS states ..

"Examples of acceptable CPD activities are:
1.Conducting or attending workshops, seminars, lectures or courses of study
2. Writing, assessing, reading or analysing peer reviewed journal articles, scholarly professional books or monographs, and research proposals or grants
3. Producing, reviewing, viewing or analysing professional videos, audios, internet resources or scientific posters
4. Providing peer consultation to psychologists.

Members can choose whether to undertake CPD activities that have been formally endorsed by the APS or to engage in other selected activities relevant to their own particular learning needs. Members need to make their own judgement about the relevance of activities and will need to be able to justify this relevance".

Of the above, #1 and #2 are hardly the type of activity that the greater majority of members are likely to do. #4 has been discussed and is now no longer as rewarding time-wise as in the pre-CPD days.

Of #3 I dearly hope that I am wrong and the APS is correct!

Regards from Perth

Derek