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Joel Wilkins

Mon, Sep 25, 2006 6:10 PM

OK, simple question for a simple answer....

I have several electrical connections done by POs that are not what I would call "quality". Most are in stranded 22ga to 14ga wire. I wish to redo all as I come across them but seeking the best method. I'm thinking for connections which do not need to be undone: to expose an inch or so of each, wrap them together inline, solder them and cover with heat shrink. Option 2 is to use either barrel or spade connectors and cover with heatshrink.

I ask because I know wirenuts are verbotten but have also heard that solder isn't common on boats (vibration issue??).

So, what say the list for best method to connect two wires?

Other issue I have sometimes is....using the proper size heatshrink for the wire is sometimes too small to get across a blade or barrel connector. What is the solution here?

Thanks
Joel Wilkins
S. Pasadena, FL
Miss Magoo

OK, simple question for a simple answer.... I have several electrical connections done by POs that are not what I would call "quality". Most are in stranded 22ga to 14ga wire. I wish to redo all as I come across them but seeking the best method. I'm thinking for connections which do not need to be undone: to expose an inch or so of each, wrap them together inline, solder them and cover with heat shrink. Option 2 is to use either barrel or spade connectors and cover with heatshrink. I ask because I know wirenuts are verbotten but have also heard that solder isn't common on boats (vibration issue??). So, what say the list for best method to connect two wires? Other issue I have sometimes is....using the proper size heatshrink for the wire is sometimes too small to get across a blade or barrel connector. What is the solution here? Thanks Joel Wilkins S. Pasadena, FL Miss Magoo

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tands

Mon, Sep 25, 2006 6:23 PM

I'm thinking for connections which do not need to be undone:

to expose an inch or so of each, wrap them together inline, solder
them and cover with heat shrink. Option 2 is to use either barrel or
spade connectors and cover with heatshrink.

I ask because I know wirenuts are verbotten but have also heard
that solder isn't common on boats (vibration issue??).

So, what say the list for best method to connect two wires?

Joel,
I'd use good quality crimp connectors (with the correct crimping tool), and
cover with self sealing heat shrink tubing. Stay away from solder. Only use
spade connectors if you will have a frequent need to break the connection.

Ted G
DeFever 44, Amici
Branford, CT

I'm thinking for connections which do not need to be undone: > to expose an inch or so of each, wrap them together inline, solder > them and cover with heat shrink. Option 2 is to use either barrel or > spade connectors and cover with heatshrink. > > I ask because I know wirenuts are verbotten but have also heard > that solder isn't common on boats (vibration issue??). > > So, what say the list for best method to connect two wires? Joel, I'd use good quality crimp connectors (with the correct crimping tool), and cover with self sealing heat shrink tubing. Stay away from solder. Only use spade connectors if you will have a frequent need to break the connection. Ted G DeFever 44, Amici Branford, CT

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Lee Licata

Mon, Sep 25, 2006 6:27 PM

Joel,

I used crimped connectors that had solder inside them and then, using
a heat gun, shrink wrapped them.

As for the second question, never had this experience. No matter what
I was wiring, I never used 16 gauge wire, (or was it 14? Not sure..
been a while..)

Lee

On Sep 25, 2006, at 21:10, Joel Wilkins wrote:

OK, simple question for a simple answer....

I have several electrical connections done by POs that are not
what I would call "quality". Most are in stranded 22ga to 14ga wire.
I wish to redo all as I come across them but seeking the best method.
I'm thinking for connections which do not need to be undone: to
expose an inch or so of each, wrap them together inline, solder them
and cover with heat shrink. Option 2 is to use either barrel or spade
connectors and cover with heatshrink.

I ask because I know wirenuts are verbotten but have also heard
that solder isn't common on boats (vibration issue??).

So, what say the list for best method to connect two wires?

Other issue I have sometimes is....using the proper size
heatshrink for the wire is sometimes too small to get across a blade
or barrel connector. What is the solution here?

Thanks
Joel Wilkins
S. Pasadena, FL
Miss Magoo

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Joel, I used crimped connectors that had solder inside them and then, using a heat gun, shrink wrapped them. As for the second question, never had this experience. No matter what I was wiring, I never used 16 gauge wire, (or was it 14? Not sure.. been a while..) Lee On Sep 25, 2006, at 21:10, Joel Wilkins wrote: OK, simple question for a simple answer.... I have several electrical connections done by POs that are not what I would call "quality". Most are in stranded 22ga to 14ga wire. I wish to redo all as I come across them but seeking the best method. I'm thinking for connections which do not need to be undone: to expose an inch or so of each, wrap them together inline, solder them and cover with heat shrink. Option 2 is to use either barrel or spade connectors and cover with heatshrink. I ask because I know wirenuts are verbotten but have also heard that solder isn't common on boats (vibration issue??). So, what say the list for best method to connect two wires? Other issue I have sometimes is....using the proper size heatshrink for the wire is sometimes too small to get across a blade or barrel connector. What is the solution here? Thanks Joel Wilkins S. Pasadena, FL Miss Magoo _______________________________________________ http://lists.samurai.com/mailman/listinfo/trawlers-and-trawlering To unsubscribe send email to trawlers-and-trawlering-request@lists.samurai.com with the word UNSUBSCRIBE and nothing else in the subject or body of the message. Trawlers & Trawlering and T&T are trademarks of Water World Productions. Unauthorized use is prohibited.

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Dale Klahn

Mon, Sep 25, 2006 6:35 PM

They make barrel connectors with the heat shrink already included. I
used the yellow ones when I re-wired my mast.

http://www.ancorproducts.com

West Marine carries them as do others I assume.

Dale Klahn

"Joel Wilkins" cruiser6003@yahoo.com 2:10 PM 9/25/06/06 >>>

OK, simple question for a simple answer....

I have several electrical connections done by POs that are not what I
would call "quality". Most are in stranded 22ga to 14ga wire. I wish to
redo all as I come across them but seeking the best method. I'm thinking
for connections which do not need to be undone: to expose an inch or so
of each, wrap them together inline, solder them and cover with heat
shrink. Option 2 is to use either barrel or spade connectors and cover
with heatshrink.

I ask because I know wirenuts are verbotten but have also heard that
solder isn't common on boats (vibration issue??).

So, what say the list for best method to connect two wires?

Other issue I have sometimes is....using the proper size heatshrink
for the wire is sometimes too small to get across a blade or barrel
connector. What is the solution here?

Thanks
Joel Wilkins
S. Pasadena, FL
Miss Magoo

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They make barrel connectors with the heat shrink already included. I used the yellow ones when I re-wired my mast. http://www.ancorproducts.com West Marine carries them as do others I assume. Dale Klahn >>> "Joel Wilkins" <cruiser6003@yahoo.com> 2:10 PM 9/25/06/06 >>> OK, simple question for a simple answer.... I have several electrical connections done by POs that are not what I would call "quality". Most are in stranded 22ga to 14ga wire. I wish to redo all as I come across them but seeking the best method. I'm thinking for connections which do not need to be undone: to expose an inch or so of each, wrap them together inline, solder them and cover with heat shrink. Option 2 is to use either barrel or spade connectors and cover with heatshrink. I ask because I know wirenuts are verbotten but have also heard that solder isn't common on boats (vibration issue??). So, what say the list for best method to connect two wires? Other issue I have sometimes is....using the proper size heatshrink for the wire is sometimes too small to get across a blade or barrel connector. What is the solution here? Thanks Joel Wilkins S. Pasadena, FL Miss Magoo _______________________________________________ http://lists.samurai.com/mailman/listinfo/trawlers-and-trawlering To unsubscribe send email to trawlers-and-trawlering-request@lists.samurai.com with the word UNSUBSCRIBE and nothing else in the subject or body of the message. Trawlers & Trawlering and T&T are trademarks of Water World Productions. Unauthorized use is prohibited.

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Keith

Mon, Sep 25, 2006 6:47 PM

Check out the selection of crimp fittings and tools at:
http://www.terminaltown.com/
They have high quality nylon crimp fittings, some even mil-spec. You can get
them with heat shrink tubing already on there. For fittings in wet areas, I
fill the fitting with dielectric silicone grease, double crimp the wire in
place, and then shrink the tubing. Get you a good set of ratcheting crimpers
that do a double crimp. You'll be glad you did. Stick with butt connectors
and stay away from solder.

Keith

First you forget the name,
Then you forget the face,
Then you forget to zip up,
Then you forget to zip down...
----- Original Message -----
From: "Joel Wilkins" cruiser6003@yahoo.com

I have several electrical connections done by POs that are not what I
would call "quality". Most are in stranded 22ga to 14ga wire. I wish to
redo all as I come across them but seeking the best method. I'm thinking
for connections which do not need to be undone: to expose an inch or so of
each, wrap them together inline, solder them and cover with heat shrink.
Option 2 is to use either barrel or spade connectors and cover with
heatshrink.

Other issue I have sometimes is....using the proper size heatshrink for
the wire is sometimes too small to get across a blade or barrel connector.
What is the solution here?

Check out the selection of crimp fittings and tools at: http://www.terminaltown.com/ They have high quality nylon crimp fittings, some even mil-spec. You can get them with heat shrink tubing already on there. For fittings in wet areas, I fill the fitting with dielectric silicone grease, double crimp the wire in place, and then shrink the tubing. Get you a good set of ratcheting crimpers that do a double crimp. You'll be glad you did. Stick with butt connectors and stay away from solder. Keith _____ First you forget the name, Then you forget the face, Then you forget to zip up, Then you forget to zip down... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joel Wilkins" <cruiser6003@yahoo.com> > > I have several electrical connections done by POs that are not what I > would call "quality". Most are in stranded 22ga to 14ga wire. I wish to > redo all as I come across them but seeking the best method. I'm thinking > for connections which do not need to be undone: to expose an inch or so of > each, wrap them together inline, solder them and cover with heat shrink. > Option 2 is to use either barrel or spade connectors and cover with > heatshrink. > > > Other issue I have sometimes is....using the proper size heatshrink for > the wire is sometimes too small to get across a blade or barrel connector. > What is the solution here?

AJ

Arild Jensen

Mon, Sep 25, 2006 6:51 PM

-----Original Message-----
OK, simple question for a simple answer....

I have several electrical connections done by POs that are not
what I would call "quality". Most are in stranded 22ga to 14ga
wire.

REPLY
ABYC does not condone using any wire gauge smaller than #18Ga
The one exception being if the smaller than #18 is bundled as part of a
control or data cable.

If these are short tails on light fixtures then I also suggest using barrel
splices covered with heat shrink.
BTW I find non insulated barrel crimp sleeves covered with heat shrink a
more compact splice than the insulated crimps typically used.

Other issue I have sometimes is....using the proper size
heatshrink for the wire is sometimes too small to get across a
blade or barrel connector. What is the solution here?

REPLY
Cut a lenght of heat shrink and slide it over the wire before adding the
crimp on connector.

Arild

> -----Original Message----- > OK, simple question for a simple answer.... > > I have several electrical connections done by POs that are not > what I would call "quality". Most are in stranded 22ga to 14ga > wire. REPLY ABYC does not condone using any wire gauge smaller than #18Ga The one exception being if the smaller than #18 is bundled as part of a control or data cable. If these are short tails on light fixtures then I also suggest using barrel splices covered with heat shrink. BTW I find non insulated barrel crimp sleeves covered with heat shrink a more compact splice than the insulated crimps typically used. > Other issue I have sometimes is....using the proper size > heatshrink for the wire is sometimes too small to get across a > blade or barrel connector. What is the solution here? REPLY Cut a lenght of heat shrink and slide it over the wire before adding the crimp on connector. Arild

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Kevin Redden

Mon, Sep 25, 2006 6:53 PM

-----Original Message-----

So, what say the list for best method to connect two wires?

Joel,

Good adhesive lined, shrink wrapped butt connectors, crimped with the proper
tool, are the way to go.

Forget the cheap crimpers sold at West Marine. They only pinch the connectors in
from opposite sides, and do not make a good connection. Get a good set of
ratchet crimpers, such as the ones sold by Terminal Town
(www.terminaltown.com/Pages/EclipseCrimpTools.html).

Then get good adhesive lined shrink crimp butt connectors
(http://www.terminaltown.com/Pages/Page14.html). The cheaper crimp connectors
tat are the main stay at West do not seal the wire to keep the salt air from
getting to it. If the salt air can get in, eventually the connection will fail.
The heat shrink connectors require a heat gun after the connection is crimped,
to shrink down the tubing a form a hermetic seal that keeps the salt air out.

If you look at the West Marine display of Anchor connectors, you will see that
the adhesive lined heat shrink connectors are well over twice the price of the
non-shrink connectors - but you get what you pay for. Opting for the cheap
connectors will be a false savings since salt air will be able to get to the
connections, and after a number of years they will eventually corrode. Not so
with the heat shrink connectors.

If you want to save money on the connectors, go to Terminal Town instead of West
Marine and get them for a fraction of the West price.

Kevin Redden

> -----Original Message----- > > So, what say the list for best method to connect two wires? Joel, Good adhesive lined, shrink wrapped butt connectors, crimped with the proper tool, are the way to go. Forget the cheap crimpers sold at West Marine. They only pinch the connectors in from opposite sides, and do not make a good connection. Get a good set of ratchet crimpers, such as the ones sold by Terminal Town (www.terminaltown.com/Pages/EclipseCrimpTools.html). Then get good adhesive lined shrink crimp butt connectors (http://www.terminaltown.com/Pages/Page14.html). The cheaper crimp connectors tat are the main stay at West do not seal the wire to keep the salt air from getting to it. If the salt air can get in, eventually the connection will fail. The heat shrink connectors require a heat gun after the connection is crimped, to shrink down the tubing a form a hermetic seal that keeps the salt air out. If you look at the West Marine display of Anchor connectors, you will see that the adhesive lined heat shrink connectors are well over twice the price of the non-shrink connectors - but you get what you pay for. Opting for the cheap connectors will be a false savings since salt air will be able to get to the connections, and after a number of years they will eventually corrode. Not so with the heat shrink connectors. If you want to save money on the connectors, go to Terminal Town instead of West Marine and get them for a fraction of the West price. Kevin Redden

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Joel Wilkins

Mon, Sep 25, 2006 7:45 PM

OK, looks like a consensus...

Butt connectors either with or without adhesive but with heatshrink. Heatshrink to be applied after the fact or as part of the piece. Everybody says use quality crimper..which I have. Several mentioned that 22ga was too small for a boat....Those smaller wires are part of original wiring bundle from some instruments. Several directed me to websites:
www.terminaltown.com
www.ancorproducts.com
www.delcity.net

Thanks for the advice,
Joel Wilkins
S. Pasadena, FL
Miss Magoo

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OK, looks like a consensus... Butt connectors either with or without adhesive but with heatshrink. Heatshrink to be applied after the fact or as part of the piece. Everybody says use quality crimper..which I have. Several mentioned that 22ga was too small for a boat....Those smaller wires are part of original wiring bundle from some instruments. Several directed me to websites: www.terminaltown.com www.ancorproducts.com www.delcity.net Thanks for the advice, Joel Wilkins S. Pasadena, FL Miss Magoo --------------------------------- Talk is cheap. Use Yahoo! Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls. Great rates starting at 1"/min.

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Ron Rogers

Mon, Sep 25, 2006 7:54 PM

Agreed. For convenience, Wal-Mart sells adhesive lined butt connectors and
ring terminals in their RV department under the name of "3M." Good crimpers
are available from the cited sources. Ancor is not a manufacturer and gets
tools from others and rebrands them. You will need a small heat gun or
butane tool to shrink and activate the adhesive.

Ron Rogers

----- Original Message -----
From: "Joel Wilkins" cruiser6003@yahoo.com
To: "Trawlers-n-Trawlering" trawlers-and-trawlering@lists.samurai.com
Sent: Monday, September 25, 2006 3:45 PM
Subject: Re: T&T: Electrical connections - Summary

| OK, looks like a consensus...
|
| Butt connectors either with or without adhesive but with heatshrink.
Heatshrink to be applied after the fact or as part of the piece. Everybody
says use quality crimper..which I have. Several mentioned that 22ga was too
small for a boat....Those smaller wires are part of original wiring bundle
from some instruments. Several directed me to websites:
| www.terminaltown.com
| www.ancorproducts.com
| www.delcity.net
|
|
| Thanks for the advice,
| Joel Wilkins
| S. Pasadena, FL
| Miss Magoo
|
|
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Agreed. For convenience, Wal-Mart sells adhesive lined butt connectors and ring terminals in their RV department under the name of "3M." Good crimpers are available from the cited sources. Ancor is not a manufacturer and gets tools from others and rebrands them. You will need a small heat gun or butane tool to shrink and activate the adhesive. Ron Rogers ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joel Wilkins" <cruiser6003@yahoo.com> To: "Trawlers-n-Trawlering" <trawlers-and-trawlering@lists.samurai.com> Sent: Monday, September 25, 2006 3:45 PM Subject: Re: T&T: Electrical connections - Summary | OK, looks like a consensus... | | Butt connectors either with or without adhesive but with heatshrink. Heatshrink to be applied after the fact or as part of the piece. Everybody says use quality crimper..which I have. Several mentioned that 22ga was too small for a boat....Those smaller wires are part of original wiring bundle from some instruments. Several directed me to websites: | www.terminaltown.com | www.ancorproducts.com | www.delcity.net | | | Thanks for the advice, | Joel Wilkins | S. Pasadena, FL | Miss Magoo | | | --------------------------------- | Talk is cheap. Use Yahoo! Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls. Great rates starting at 1"/min. | _______________________________________________ | http://lists.samurai.com/mailman/listinfo/trawlers-and-trawlering | | To unsubscribe send email to | trawlers-and-trawlering-request@lists.samurai.com with the word | UNSUBSCRIBE and nothing else in the subject or body of the message. | | Trawlers & Trawlering and T&T are trademarks of Water World | Productions. Unauthorized use is prohibited.

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Ralph

Mon, Sep 25, 2006 10:25 PM

On Ancora, I have removeable units, i.e., head pumps, water pumps, etc.,
hooked up with quick disconnects. This makes it a lot easier for
maintenance.
Ralph Salerno
M/V ANCORA
San Diego

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On Ancora, I have removeable units, i.e., head pumps, water pumps, etc., hooked up with quick disconnects. This makes it a lot easier for maintenance. Ralph Salerno M/V ANCORA San Diego _______________________________________________ > http://lists.samurai.com/mailman/listinfo/trawlers-and-trawlering > > To unsubscribe send email to > trawlers-and-trawlering-request@lists.samurai.com with the word > UNSUBSCRIBE and nothing else in the subject or body of the message. > > Trawlers & Trawlering and T&T are trademarks of Water World > Productions. Unauthorized use is prohibited.

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