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Jim McCorison

Wed, Jul 23, 2003 3:11 PM

At 12:00 AM 7/23/2003 -0400, Dave Goodman wrote:

Alas, it turned into just another glossy boating magazine, apparently
more responsive to its advertisers than to its subscribers.

I too subscribed from the beginning. I lasted four or five years before
cancelling my subscription. But I think I have abused spouse syndrome. I
keep buying it from the newsstand because I know that deep down inside
there must be some good and that maybe it has changed its ways. But it
never has. I think I need counseling. :)

Goergs, Are you listening??? Please, save us all.

Jim McCorison
M/V Manana
currently at Van Isle Marina, Tsehum Harbor, Sidney, BC, Canada

At 12:00 AM 7/23/2003 -0400, Dave Goodman wrote: >Alas, it turned into just another glossy boating magazine, apparently >more responsive to its advertisers than to its subscribers. I too subscribed from the beginning. I lasted four or five years before cancelling my subscription. But I think I have abused spouse syndrome. I keep buying it from the newsstand because I know that deep down inside there must be some good and that maybe it has changed its ways. But it never has. I think I need counseling. :) Goergs, Are you listening??? Please, save us all. Jim McCorison M/V Manana currently at Van Isle Marina, Tsehum Harbor, Sidney, BC, Canada

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Ron Rogers

Wed, Jul 23, 2003 3:49 PM

I don't know whether to abhor or applaud Mr. Bill Parlatore's (Passagemaker
Editor) nerve. He has no compunction about SEEMINGLY exchanging advertising
space and editorial space for goods and services. His articles are paeans to
some of his advertisers. I don't think that he's met a vessel he didn't
like, except the for business "Growler" downeast vessel that he had custom
built. How can a knowledgeable person buy a boat without amenities and
adequate sound shielding and then complain that it's spare and noisy. This
is like the J.D. Powers satisfaction survey of Hummer owners whose primary
complaint is that they consume too much fuel!

The only saving grace is that Zimmerman makes a fine boat at an honest price
and I'm glad that they now have full-page ads in Passagemaker. I only wish
that I could afford one.

Ron Rogers
Annapolis, MD
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Jim McCorison" jim@mccorison.com

| >Alas, it turned into just another glossy boating magazine, apparently
| >more responsive to its advertisers than to its subscribers.

I know that deep down inside
| there must be some good and that maybe it has changed its ways. But it
| never has. I think I need counseling. :)

I don't know whether to abhor or applaud Mr. Bill Parlatore's (Passagemaker Editor) nerve. He has no compunction about SEEMINGLY exchanging advertising space and editorial space for goods and services. His articles are paeans to some of his advertisers. I don't think that he's met a vessel he didn't like, except the for business "Growler" downeast vessel that he had custom built. How can a knowledgeable person buy a boat without amenities and adequate sound shielding and then complain that it's spare and noisy. This is like the J.D. Powers satisfaction survey of Hummer owners whose primary complaint is that they consume too much fuel! The only saving grace is that Zimmerman makes a fine boat at an honest price and I'm glad that they now have full-page ads in Passagemaker. I only wish that I could afford one. Ron Rogers Annapolis, MD _/) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim McCorison" <jim@mccorison.com> | >Alas, it turned into just another glossy boating magazine, apparently | >more responsive to its advertisers than to its subscribers. I know that deep down inside | there must be some good and that maybe it has changed its ways. But it | never has. I think I need counseling. :)

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ralph

Wed, Jul 23, 2003 4:13 PM

Subject: TWL: Re: PassageMaker Magazine

I don't know whether to abhor or applaud Mr. Bill Parlatore's

(Passagemaker

Here on the west coast we get a free magazine called "Dockside." Although it
covers all types of boats it does have some interesting articles. I found I
was spending more time reading Dockside than Passagemaker so I cancelled my
subscription.

                    Ralph Salerno
                    M/V ANCORA

Subject: TWL: Re: PassageMaker Magazine > I don't know whether to abhor or applaud Mr. Bill Parlatore's (Passagemaker Here on the west coast we get a free magazine called "Dockside." Although it covers all types of boats it does have some interesting articles. I found I was spending more time reading Dockside than Passagemaker so I cancelled my subscription. Ralph Salerno M/V ANCORA

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Bill Ahrens

Wed, Jul 23, 2003 5:14 PM

"Dockside" is a good example of what the discussion is about. It
contains absolutely NO "unfunded" articles. Even the letters to the
editor, which I sort of suspect are planted, end up recommending
products that can be found advertised elsewhere in the magazine.

All this is fine if they would put a disclaimer on the cover.

Other scary part is that they just purchased a legitimate publication.

Whoooh!

Bill Ahrens

"Dockside" is a good example of what the discussion is about. It contains absolutely NO "unfunded" articles. Even the letters to the editor, which I sort of suspect are planted, end up recommending products that can be found advertised elsewhere in the magazine. All this is fine if they would put a disclaimer on the cover. Other scary part is that they just purchased a legitimate publication. Whoooh! Bill Ahrens

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Leo Hill

Wed, Jul 23, 2003 5:36 PM

Folks,

Let's start with YMMV - and go from there.

I drink coffee. Once in a while I like to drink
Latte's, Grande, no foam.

Many (most?) chain book stores carry PMM.

Many (most?) have a in-house coffee shop.

The ones I frequent have comfortable overstuffed
chairs scattered throughout the store.

Magazines that I have no interest in spending (from)
$4.95 to $7.95 for, but am interested in looking at,
come with my from the magazine rack to the easy chair
and I sip the Latte and enjoy the magazines that
picture all sorts of stuff that I will (most likely)
never buy.

I find it a very pleasant (and inexpensive) way to
spend a few hours out (with or without the wife) of
the house.

As always, YMMV

Regards,

Leo

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Folks, Let's start with YMMV - and go from there. I drink coffee. Once in a while I like to drink Latte's, Grande, no foam. Many (most?) chain book stores carry PMM. Many (most?) have a in-house coffee shop. The ones I frequent have comfortable overstuffed chairs scattered throughout the store. Magazines that I have no interest in spending (from) $4.95 to $7.95 for, but am interested in looking at, come with my from the magazine rack to the easy chair and I sip the Latte and enjoy the magazines that picture all sorts of stuff that I will (most likely) never buy. I find it a very pleasant (and inexpensive) way to spend a few hours out (with or without the wife) of the house. As always, YMMV Regards, Leo __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com

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Arild Jensen

Wed, Jul 23, 2003 5:58 PM

Bill wrote:
"Dockside" is a good example of what the discussion is about. It
contains absolutely NO "unfunded" articles. Even the letters to the
editor, which I sort of suspect are planted, end up recommending
products that can be found advertised elsewhere in the magazine.

REPLY
The continuing popularity of printed copy magazines despite the availability of
electronic media such as this list is something to consider.

Why do people still like to read a hard copy printed on crunched up trees
that are converted into paper.
( you can supply your own favorite answer here)

There is obviously something that appeals despite the higher cost associated
with obtaining these hard copies.
Someone has to bear that cost. In our culture this cost has traditionally
been covered mostly by advertising.

My question is this. Why would a manufacturer of equipment that can be used in
the repair renovation, upgrading of older boats not bother to advertise in a
magazine. Could it be because they figure the return on expenditure is not
justified?

Brand name boat builders are intent on developing a presence in the market
place and thus a demand for their product.
Manufacturers of necessities rarely have to advertise. People will come and
buy regardless.

I tend to view a product's utility in direct and opposite proportion to the
intensity and frequency of advertising.
In other words the more advertising, the less useful and necessary the product.

regards
Arild

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Bill wrote: "Dockside" is a good example of what the discussion is about. It contains absolutely NO "unfunded" articles. Even the letters to the editor, which I sort of suspect are planted, end up recommending products that can be found advertised elsewhere in the magazine. REPLY The continuing popularity of printed copy magazines despite the availability of electronic media such as this list is something to consider. Why do people still like to read a hard copy printed on crunched up trees that are converted into paper. ( you can supply your own favorite answer here) There is obviously something that appeals despite the higher cost associated with obtaining these hard copies. Someone has to bear that cost. In our culture this cost has traditionally been covered mostly by advertising. My question is this. Why would a manufacturer of equipment that can be used in the repair renovation, upgrading of older boats not bother to advertise in a magazine. Could it be because they figure the return on expenditure is not justified? Brand name boat builders are intent on developing a presence in the market place and thus a demand for their product. Manufacturers of necessities rarely have to advertise. People will come and buy regardless. I tend to view a product's utility in direct and opposite proportion to the intensity and frequency of advertising. In other words the more advertising, the less useful and necessary the product. regards Arild --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.423 / Virus Database: 238 - Release Date: 11/25/2002

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Arild