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TWL: The Claw

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E16@telus.net
Tue, Aug 8, 2000 11:22 PM

Anchor design of local choice according to apparently knowledgeable
salespeople in several marine stores is the Bruce, with CQR a close second.
That accords with my unscientific observations at marinas. In general, the
word on the Bruce is that it sets quickly in all conditions, re-sets
equally quickly if the boat swings 180 degrees, and with at least some
chain - I have 50 feet - allows for a short scope when necessary.

For those who do not already know, the salesman in the store which
primarily serves the commercial fleet volunteered the information that the
Bruce patent ran out a couple of years ago, and that the best buy now is
the Simpson Lawrence "Claw", a made-in-China copy of the Bruce at less than
half the cost. Before I could even ask, he said every customer is concerned
about the quality of the casting and forging, but that his store "had
already sold hundreds and never had a single one returned". Since those
hundreds of boats are unlikely to have all dragged and sunk without anyone
having noticed, I assume the purchasers are satisfied that this anchor does
its job effectively.

So, it's to be a 20 kilo (44 lb) Claw as my new main anchor. Hopefully.
I've got its measurements so that I can check my bow rollers to ensure it
will hang, deploy, and retrieve without crunching the fibreglass. If I have
to buy a new, longer bow roller, that will be a real pain, since the
existing double roller (side-by-side) is part of the original construction,
and I'm unsure how I'd mount yet another one. Nothing's easy, is it?

Cheers, Garrett

Anchor design of local choice according to apparently knowledgeable salespeople in several marine stores is the Bruce, with CQR a close second. That accords with my unscientific observations at marinas. In general, the word on the Bruce is that it sets quickly in all conditions, re-sets equally quickly if the boat swings 180 degrees, and with at least some chain - I have 50 feet - allows for a short scope when necessary. For those who do not already know, the salesman in the store which primarily serves the commercial fleet volunteered the information that the Bruce patent ran out a couple of years ago, and that the best buy now is the Simpson Lawrence "Claw", a made-in-China copy of the Bruce at less than half the cost. Before I could even ask, he said every customer is concerned about the quality of the casting and forging, but that his store "had already sold hundreds and never had a single one returned". Since those hundreds of boats are unlikely to have all dragged and sunk without anyone having noticed, I assume the purchasers are satisfied that this anchor does its job effectively. So, it's to be a 20 kilo (44 lb) Claw as my new main anchor. Hopefully. I've got its measurements so that I can check my bow rollers to ensure it will hang, deploy, and retrieve without crunching the fibreglass. If I have to buy a new, longer bow roller, that will be a real pain, since the existing double roller (side-by-side) is part of the original construction, and I'm unsure how I'd mount yet another one. Nothing's easy, is it? Cheers, Garrett
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scaramouche@tvo.org
Wed, Aug 9, 2000 1:13 AM

E16@telus.net writes:

the Simpson Lawrence "Claw", a made-in-China copy of the Bruce

So now I own a "Claw", eh? Bruce, even 'knock-off Bruce' sounds more
to my liking.
I too had no problems with my "claw" so far.

George of Scaramouche

E16@telus.net writes: > >the Simpson Lawrence "Claw", a made-in-China copy of the Bruce So now I own a "Claw", eh? Bruce, even 'knock-off Bruce' sounds more to my liking. I too had no problems with my "claw" so far. George of Scaramouche
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rbryett@ibm.net
Wed, Aug 9, 2000 10:09 AM

Anchor design of local choice according to apparently knowledgeable

salespeople in several marine stores is the Bruce, with CQR a close
second.<<<

I've used the Bruce for years in various sizes on different boats, and it
seems to work fine on the rock, gravel and sand bottoms round here. One of
the unsung advantages of the Bruce is that it has no moving parts to trap
your fingers, unlike the Danforth and CQR. The Bruce can be a bit difficult
to stow, however with the central hook and the wide "wings" unless you have
a long bow roller/platform.

For those who do not already know, the salesman in the store which

primarily serves the commercial fleet volunteered the information that the
Bruce patent ran out a couple of years ago, and that the best buy now is
the Simpson Lawrence "Claw", a made-in-China copy of the Bruce at less than
half the cost.<<<

I'm sure the Chinese copy is fine, but I wonder what percentage of the
value of your boat the saving would represent...

Regards, Robert Bryett
Sydney, Australia.
mailto:rbryett@ibm.net

>>>Anchor design of local choice according to apparently knowledgeable salespeople in several marine stores is the Bruce, with CQR a close second.<<< I've used the Bruce for years in various sizes on different boats, and it seems to work fine on the rock, gravel and sand bottoms round here. One of the unsung advantages of the Bruce is that it has no moving parts to trap your fingers, unlike the Danforth and CQR. The Bruce can be a bit difficult to stow, however with the central hook and the wide "wings" unless you have a long bow roller/platform. >>>For those who do not already know, the salesman in the store which primarily serves the commercial fleet volunteered the information that the Bruce patent ran out a couple of years ago, and that the best buy now is the Simpson Lawrence "Claw", a made-in-China copy of the Bruce at less than half the cost.<<< I'm sure the Chinese copy is fine, but I wonder what percentage of the value of your boat the saving would represent... Regards, Robert Bryett Sydney, Australia. mailto:rbryett@ibm.net
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arider@bellsouth.net
Wed, Aug 9, 2000 1:08 PM

Bruce patent ran out a couple of years ago, and that the best buy now is
the Simpson Lawrence "Claw", a made-in-China copy of the Bruce at less

than

half the cost.<<<

I'm sure the Chinese copy is fine, but I wonder what percentage of the
value of your boat the saving would represent...


How does the "percentage of the value of your boat" figure into how much
money you take out of your pocket?
Surely if it is a comparable product we would all choose to spend less
money...regardless of the value of our boat.  Wouldn't we ?

Bob  Clinkenbeard
Twin Screws Enterprises

To accomplish a great task you must act....and dream.

TWIN SCREWS  1964 Chris Craft Roamer 56
Photos  http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=163724&a=1673119

> Bruce patent ran out a couple of years ago, and that the best buy now is > the Simpson Lawrence "Claw", a made-in-China copy of the Bruce at less than > half the cost.<<< > > I'm sure the Chinese copy is fine, but I wonder what percentage of the > value of your boat the saving would represent... ____________________________________________________________________________ How does the "percentage of the value of your boat" figure into how much money you take out of your pocket? Surely if it is a comparable product we would all choose to spend less money...regardless of the value of our boat. Wouldn't we ? Bob Clinkenbeard Twin Screws Enterprises To accomplish a great task you must act....and dream. TWIN SCREWS 1964 Chris Craft Roamer 56 Photos http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=163724&a=1673119
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jtones@home.com
Wed, Aug 9, 2000 2:51 PM

OK Guys - this is where having an ex commercial fishing boat comes in real
handy - our anchor system is very simple and butt ugly,  just (God forbid)
never plan on hauling it back up by hand !
We have a 90 lb. "Naval" anchor (I believe its known as) followed by 25 ft.
of 1 1/2 in. chain, followed by 25 ft. of 1/2 in. chain and then 300 ft. of
5/8 nylon rope. The anchor and chain probably weigh close to 150 lbs. so
they have a tendency to stay where you put them.
In 12 years of anchoring we have never dragged this lot but again it would
look totally out of place on the bow of say a Grand Banks!!
I would also hate to contemplate what it would do to the fibreglass hull as
it bangs into it comming up - it dents the ironbark protector planking a bit
so it sure would gouge fibreglass. Thankfully the system is operated by a
large electric winch/drum system that is strong enough to haul it back
without even a hint of protest.
When we bought the boat the chain was followed by 300 ft of 3/8 wire rope
but after many years of service it was starting to rust so I replaced it
with the rope (besides it was very noisy as it "worked" on the roller).
It is a common practice up here that the fishermen (many operate single
handed) will drop this sort of system off the bow when they want to take a
rest and just drift until they either wake up or it hits bottom, with the
theory that it will catch before they hit the beach. Not something I would
care to try but by looking at the "standard" system on these boats they
obviously want the thing to hang up as soon as possible.
I agree that the "Bruce" patterned anchors seem to be very popular so either
someone is doing a great marketing job or they must work.
Cheers, and good anchoring !!
John
MV Penta (36 ft ex gill netter)
Sidney BC

OK Guys - this is where having an ex commercial fishing boat comes in real handy - our anchor system is very simple and butt ugly, just (God forbid) never plan on hauling it back up by hand ! We have a 90 lb. "Naval" anchor (I believe its known as) followed by 25 ft. of 1 1/2 in. chain, followed by 25 ft. of 1/2 in. chain and then 300 ft. of 5/8 nylon rope. The anchor and chain probably weigh close to 150 lbs. so they have a tendency to stay where you put them. In 12 years of anchoring we have never dragged this lot but again it would look totally out of place on the bow of say a Grand Banks!! I would also hate to contemplate what it would do to the fibreglass hull as it bangs into it comming up - it dents the ironbark protector planking a bit so it sure would gouge fibreglass. Thankfully the system is operated by a large electric winch/drum system that is strong enough to haul it back without even a hint of protest. When we bought the boat the chain was followed by 300 ft of 3/8 wire rope but after many years of service it was starting to rust so I replaced it with the rope (besides it was very noisy as it "worked" on the roller). It is a common practice up here that the fishermen (many operate single handed) will drop this sort of system off the bow when they want to take a rest and just drift until they either wake up or it hits bottom, with the theory that it will catch before they hit the beach. Not something I would care to try but by looking at the "standard" system on these boats they obviously want the thing to hang up as soon as possible. I agree that the "Bruce" patterned anchors seem to be very popular so either someone is doing a great marketing job or they must work. Cheers, and good anchoring !! John MV Penta (36 ft ex gill netter) Sidney BC
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rbryett@ibm.net
Thu, Aug 10, 2000 10:40 AM

How does the "percentage of the value of your boat" figure into how much

money you take out of your pocket? Surely if it is a comparable product we
would all choose to spend less money... regardless of the value of our
boat.  Wouldn't we ?<<<

My point was simply that the likely saving on buying a cheap anchor would
be small in relation to the value of pretty well any boat hanging off it.
One day, the quality of your ground tackle might be the difference between
the safety and the destruction of your vessel (not to mention the crew).

Maybe the Chinese copy is fine, but I've seen so many cases where people
spend a lot of money on a boat, and then economise on relatively
inexpensive gear that could be crucial to its safety in an emergency.
Inadequate ground tackle, puny mooring cleats, undersized and underpowered
nav lights (even NO nav lights), undersized bilge pumps and so on.

Regards, Robert Bryett
Sydney, Australia.
mailto:rbryett@ibm.net

>>>How does the "percentage of the value of your boat" figure into how much money you take out of your pocket? Surely if it is a comparable product we would all choose to spend less money... regardless of the value of our boat. Wouldn't we ?<<< My point was simply that the likely saving on buying a cheap anchor would be small in relation to the value of pretty well any boat hanging off it. One day, the quality of your ground tackle might be the difference between the safety and the destruction of your vessel (not to mention the crew). Maybe the Chinese copy is fine, but I've seen so many cases where people spend a lot of money on a boat, and then economise on relatively inexpensive gear that could be crucial to its safety in an emergency. Inadequate ground tackle, puny mooring cleats, undersized and underpowered nav lights (even NO nav lights), undersized bilge pumps and so on. Regards, Robert Bryett Sydney, Australia. mailto:rbryett@ibm.net