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Re: T&T: Obligations for Rescue at Sea in California

RG
Rich Gano
Wed, Dec 31, 2008 5:33 PM

"I'm thinking we could coin a new term on
this  list, Boat List Lawyers."

While not pursuing ends for the same reasons as a T&T listee, we called
smart guys in the Navy who thought they new all the regs (and how to break
them) "sea lawyers."

It was once said here that you should consider ALL advice here as you would
a casual conversation on the pier where opinionated boaters are every bit as
sure of themselves as we are here.

Rich Gano
CALYPSO (GB-42 #295)
Southport, FL

"I'm thinking we could coin a new term on this list, Boat List Lawyers." While not pursuing ends for the same reasons as a T&T listee, we called smart guys in the Navy who thought they new all the regs (and how to break them) "sea lawyers." It was once said here that you should consider ALL advice here as you would a casual conversation on the pier where opinionated boaters are every bit as sure of themselves as we are here. Rich Gano CALYPSO (GB-42 #295) Southport, FL
RR
Ron Rogers
Wed, Dec 31, 2008 11:07 PM

Even if you are new to the List, you can tell when a real subject matter
expert shares their insights. There are not many, but, ironically Rich Gano
(ship handling) is one of them. Every once in awhile, a chemist, oil company
worker, or a PHD scientist will pop up and explain why something is so or
not so. They often refer you to online references which either confirm their
opinion or are unreadable. {;*)) This beats most dockside opinion.

The rest of us either call upon our experiences or express our uninformed
opinions. You get to choose. I especially value anyone's experiences with
various brands of equipment and how they are treated by these companies.

Ron Rogers

-----Original Message-----
From: Rich Gano

It was once said here that you should consider ALL advice here as you would
a casual conversation on the pier where opinionated boaters are every bit as
sure of themselves as we are here.

Even if you are new to the List, you can tell when a real subject matter expert shares their insights. There are not many, but, ironically Rich Gano (ship handling) is one of them. Every once in awhile, a chemist, oil company worker, or a PHD scientist will pop up and explain why something is so or not so. They often refer you to online references which either confirm their opinion or are unreadable. {;*)) This beats most dockside opinion. The rest of us either call upon our experiences or express our uninformed opinions. You get to choose. I especially value anyone's experiences with various brands of equipment and how they are treated by these companies. Ron Rogers -----Original Message----- From: Rich Gano It was once said here that you should consider ALL advice here as you would a casual conversation on the pier where opinionated boaters are every bit as sure of themselves as we are here.
RL
Roger Lalonde
Fri, Jan 2, 2009 5:09 AM

Subject: Re: T&T: Obligations for Rescue at Sea

My opinion and 2 cents worth.

I have been doing rescue work now for 29 years as a VOLUNTEER and have more
than 640 rescues so far. I have never been sued or held responsible for
anything. We have helped out dingys to 65 footers and commercial shipping,
vessels from Boston, Florida, Maryland, Michigan, Caymen Islands, British
Virgin Islands, Australia, Russia, Bemuda, Newfoundland, the Great Lakes up
on the Rideau and Trent Waterway and the Thousand Islands. Rescue work in
Canada from coast to coast to coast, the US, (Florida, Boston, Lake Ontario)
the gulf of Mexico, Dominican Republic and Cuba and probably forgetting some
on the way.

The key thing here is in the assessment of the rescue and the understanding
you have with the owner before you do anything. Make sure they understand
the moves you are about to do and that you are open to helping them and make
sure they understand that you do not want to be sued. In rescue work we are
responsible for safety of lives at sea (Solas) and not the material things
like boats. We will try and bring the vessel back too as it is safer to do
that than trying to switch people from one vessel to the other in a storm.
In Canada the Coast Guard Auxiliary personel have a waiver that the disabled
crew have to agree with before we touch them. When this is done on the
airways with Coast Guard, this is recorded and the recording is kept for
seven years and therefore there is no legal recourse from the disabled
vessel. If I remember correctly we only had to use this waiver on two
occasions when we suspected the crew had been drinking.

If the disabled vessel's crew are ignorant and abusive all you have to do is
wait and stand by and eventually things will turn around and they will
accept you kind help and be appreciative.

Roger Lalonde
Coast Guard Auxiliary
Summerstown, Ontario, Canada.

Subject: Re: T&T: Obligations for Rescue at Sea My opinion and 2 cents worth. I have been doing rescue work now for 29 years as a VOLUNTEER and have more than 640 rescues so far. I have never been sued or held responsible for anything. We have helped out dingys to 65 footers and commercial shipping, vessels from Boston, Florida, Maryland, Michigan, Caymen Islands, British Virgin Islands, Australia, Russia, Bemuda, Newfoundland, the Great Lakes up on the Rideau and Trent Waterway and the Thousand Islands. Rescue work in Canada from coast to coast to coast, the US, (Florida, Boston, Lake Ontario) the gulf of Mexico, Dominican Republic and Cuba and probably forgetting some on the way. The key thing here is in the assessment of the rescue and the understanding you have with the owner before you do anything. Make sure they understand the moves you are about to do and that you are open to helping them and make sure they understand that you do not want to be sued. In rescue work we are responsible for safety of lives at sea (Solas) and not the material things like boats. We will try and bring the vessel back too as it is safer to do that than trying to switch people from one vessel to the other in a storm. In Canada the Coast Guard Auxiliary personel have a waiver that the disabled crew have to agree with before we touch them. When this is done on the airways with Coast Guard, this is recorded and the recording is kept for seven years and therefore there is no legal recourse from the disabled vessel. If I remember correctly we only had to use this waiver on two occasions when we suspected the crew had been drinking. If the disabled vessel's crew are ignorant and abusive all you have to do is wait and stand by and eventually things will turn around and they will accept you kind help and be appreciative. Roger Lalonde Coast Guard Auxiliary Summerstown, Ontario, Canada.