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Re: Unwanted Power (Surge)

H
hshoffman@erols.com
Wed, Sep 23, 1998 2:46 AM

Mark,

The same thing happened with my Perkins 4-108.  A very good mechanic thought
that it probably was air getting into the system.  He tightened everything,
but couldn't prove that it was air because none of the connections appeared
to be loose.  He changed the fuel filters at the same time and I haven't had
a surge since.  He suggested polishing the fuel, but the bill on that was
$400 so I elected to change the primary Racor regularly (every 10-15 hours
at first then gradually increasing the time span between changes) which I
did.  That was over 200 hours ago and the engine has been running well ever
since.  I don't know if the surging problem was air or the filters, but I
suspect air.  I have heard the same surge after changing a secondary filter,
which had to be air.  The engine evidently gets a bubble of air, the power
drops off and the fuel pump thinks the engine needs more fuel, the fuel
pumps supplies more fuel, the small bubble of air passes while the engine
gets the fuel and speeds up and the fuel pump then goes back to the proper
setting.

Herb Hoffman
My Tyme
Prairie 29

Our trawler has developed a surge. ...Running at
2150 RPM, our normal cruising speed, the Perkins 4-107 sped up to about
2600 RPM and then immediately went back to 2150. ...This continued

happening but on a more frequent basis and

then mysteriously went away. ...Once it starts it seems to come each time

more frequently.  Subsequently

any journey of an hour or less produces the surge with increasing
regularity. ...but I would have thought it would die if fuel starved or
ingesting air not surge ahead.

Mark, The same thing happened with my Perkins 4-108. A very good mechanic thought that it probably was air getting into the system. He tightened everything, but couldn't prove that it was air because none of the connections appeared to be loose. He changed the fuel filters at the same time and I haven't had a surge since. He suggested polishing the fuel, but the bill on that was $400 so I elected to change the primary Racor regularly (every 10-15 hours at first then gradually increasing the time span between changes) which I did. That was over 200 hours ago and the engine has been running well ever since. I don't know if the surging problem was air or the filters, but I suspect air. I have heard the same surge after changing a secondary filter, which had to be air. The engine evidently gets a bubble of air, the power drops off and the fuel pump thinks the engine needs more fuel, the fuel pumps supplies more fuel, the small bubble of air passes while the engine gets the fuel and speeds up and the fuel pump then goes back to the proper setting. Herb Hoffman My Tyme Prairie 29 >Our trawler has developed a surge. ...Running at >2150 RPM, our normal cruising speed, the Perkins 4-107 sped up to about >2600 RPM and then immediately went back to 2150. ...This continued happening but on a more frequent basis and >then mysteriously went away. ...Once it starts it seems to come each time more frequently. Subsequently >any journey of an hour or less produces the surge with increasing >regularity. ...but I would have thought it would die if fuel starved or >ingesting air not surge ahead.
H
huckleberry10@juno.com
Wed, Sep 23, 1998 5:10 AM

On Tue, 22 Sep 1998 22:46:20 -0400 hshoffman@erols.com writes:
He suggested polishing the fuel, but the bill on that

was
$400 so I elected to change the primary Racor regularly (every 10-15
hours
at first then gradually increasing the time span between changes)
which I
did.  That was over 200 hours ago and the engine has been running well
ever since.

If you plan to do anything but smooth water cruising, you may have a
problem, When the muck inthe bottom of the tanks get well stirred up,
then you cant carry enough filters to keep the engine going. Best put in
a recirculation/filter system or polish the fuel or drain the tanks and
clean them.

John


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On Tue, 22 Sep 1998 22:46:20 -0400 hshoffman@erols.com writes: He suggested polishing the fuel, but the bill on that >was >$400 so I elected to change the primary Racor regularly (every 10-15 >hours >at first then gradually increasing the time span between changes) >which I >did. That was over 200 hours ago and the engine has been running well >ever since. If you plan to do anything but smooth water cruising, you may have a problem, When the muck inthe bottom of the tanks get well stirred up, then you cant carry enough filters to keep the engine going. Best put in a recirculation/filter system or polish the fuel or drain the tanks and clean them. John _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866]