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Re: [time-nuts] Help ID 5 MHz Distribution Box

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Richard W. Solomon
Fri, May 15, 2009 2:01 AM

That should give me a good start on this. Thanks very much for the info.

Sometimes you find some interesting items "over there". I picked up two
boxes that had 4 SMA's marked 10 MHz, 75 MHz, 750 MHz and 7,975 MHz. They
also had a MIL style power connector with the mate attached.
Turns out they were three oscillators that will lock to a 10 MHz input.
When coupled with my 10 MHz GPSDO, they make great calibration signals
for Service Monitors and Frequency Counters.

I'll keep you posted on what I find.

73, Dick, W1KSZ

-----Original Message-----

From: Ed Palmer ed_palmer@sasktel.net
Sent: May 14, 2009 8:49 PM
To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement time-nuts@febo.com
Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Help ID 5 MHz Distribution Box

Pinout is as follows - I think - remember that this is a work in
progress
1 - no connection
2 - alarm output - High = alarm, low = normal  (TTL)
3 - probably 'reference fail' - High = fail, low = normal (TTL)
4 - EFC okay - High if  4V8 < EFC < 7V5 else low (TTL)
5 - no connection
6 - buffered EFC voltage for oscillator
7 - no connection
8 - +10V reference output from oscillator - doesn't seem to be used for
anything
9 - +5V supply (input)
10 - External EFC input - only used when reference fails
11 - ground
12 -    "
13 -    "
14 - +24V supply (input) for oscillator
15 - +15V supply (input)
You talked about BNC.  Did you mean TNC?  My unit has TNC and SMA
connectors.  The SMA connectors are all outputs from the oscillator.
J3 (TNC) is the input from an external 5 MHz reference.  J4 (TNC) is
another output from the oscillator.  Approximate output levels are as
follows:
J2 - +7 dbm
J4 - 0 dbm
J5 - 0 dbm
J6 - +7 dbm
The purpose of the box is to discipline the internal oscillator to an
external reference and then distribute the oscillator's signal to four
outputs.  The level of the external reference can vary over an unknown
range because there's an internal AGC circuit.  I haven't figured out
the parameters of the low pass filter used on the output of the phase
detector.  Just for laughs I took the 10 MHz output of a Navsync CW-12
GPS board, divided it by 2, and fed it into the reference input.  The
result wasn't pretty.  Obviously, the circuit wants a smoother source.
On mine, the oscillator was defective.  I had to hack into it to fix a
broken wire on the output transformer.  I started a message thread a
few months back about how to hack into an oscillator - check the
archive if you need to.
Remember Engineering Rule #1 - Tune for minimum smoke!
Ed
Richard W. Solomon wrote:

Was it that good a deal ?? I'll share my secret, I use Gixen to snipe
on e-Pay. Sometimes it works, sometimes not.

Do you know the connections for the DB-15 connector ? Then I can do the
smoke test !!
Also what are the BNC and SMA connectors for ? Basically, I know nothing
but would appreciate any help. I will likewise share my findings.

73, Dick, W1KSZ

-----Original Message-----

From: Ed Palmer [1]ed_palmer@sasktel.net
Sent: May 14, 2009 1:10 PM
To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement [2]time-nuts@febo.com
Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Help ID 5 MHz Distribution Box

Since you beat me by THREE SECONDS I shouldn't help you, but I have
one of these boxes and have partially figured it out.  What do you want
to know?

Ed

Richard W. Solomon wrote:

I picked up a box from "over there" that says ..."5 MH REF DISTRIB"... ,
which I assume stands for 5 MHz Reference Distribution. It was made
by Satellite Transmission Systems of Hauppagge, NY. 2 BNC connectors
on one end, 3 SMA's a Red LED Alarm light and a DB-15 connector.

A real long shot, I know, but on the off-chance, does anyone know
anything about this ? Anyone know if the company still exists ?

Thanks, Dick, W1KSZ


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That should give me a good start on this. Thanks very much for the info. Sometimes you find some interesting items "over there". I picked up two boxes that had 4 SMA's marked 10 MHz, 75 MHz, 750 MHz and 7,975 MHz. They also had a MIL style power connector with the mate attached. Turns out they were three oscillators that will lock to a 10 MHz input. When coupled with my 10 MHz GPSDO, they make great calibration signals for Service Monitors and Frequency Counters. I'll keep you posted on what I find. 73, Dick, W1KSZ -----Original Message----- >From: Ed Palmer <ed_palmer@sasktel.net> >Sent: May 14, 2009 8:49 PM >To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement <time-nuts@febo.com> >Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Help ID 5 MHz Distribution Box > > Pinout is as follows - I think - remember that this is a work in > progress > 1 - no connection > 2 - alarm output - High = alarm, low = normal (TTL) > 3 - probably 'reference fail' - High = fail, low = normal (TTL) > 4 - EFC okay - High if 4V8 < EFC < 7V5 else low (TTL) > 5 - no connection > 6 - buffered EFC voltage for oscillator > 7 - no connection > 8 - +10V reference output from oscillator - doesn't seem to be used for > anything > 9 - +5V supply (input) > 10 - External EFC input - only used when reference fails > 11 - ground > 12 - " > 13 - " > 14 - +24V supply (input) for oscillator > 15 - +15V supply (input) > You talked about BNC. Did you mean TNC? My unit has TNC and SMA > connectors. The SMA connectors are all outputs from the oscillator. > J3 (TNC) is the input from an external 5 MHz reference. J4 (TNC) is > another output from the oscillator. Approximate output levels are as > follows: > J2 - +7 dbm > J4 - 0 dbm > J5 - 0 dbm > J6 - +7 dbm > The purpose of the box is to discipline the internal oscillator to an > external reference and then distribute the oscillator's signal to four > outputs. The level of the external reference can vary over an unknown > range because there's an internal AGC circuit. I haven't figured out > the parameters of the low pass filter used on the output of the phase > detector. Just for laughs I took the 10 MHz output of a Navsync CW-12 > GPS board, divided it by 2, and fed it into the reference input. The > result wasn't pretty. Obviously, the circuit wants a smoother source. > On mine, the oscillator was defective. I had to hack into it to fix a > broken wire on the output transformer. I started a message thread a > few months back about how to hack into an oscillator - check the > archive if you need to. > Remember Engineering Rule #1 - Tune for minimum smoke! > Ed > Richard W. Solomon wrote: > >Was it that good a deal ?? I'll share my secret, I use Gixen to snipe >on e-Pay. Sometimes it works, sometimes not. > >Do you know the connections for the DB-15 connector ? Then I can do the >smoke test !! >Also what are the BNC and SMA connectors for ? Basically, I know nothing >but would appreciate any help. I will likewise share my findings. > >73, Dick, W1KSZ > >-----Original Message----- > > >From: Ed Palmer [1]<ed_palmer@sasktel.net> >Sent: May 14, 2009 1:10 PM >To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement [2]<time-nuts@febo.com> >Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Help ID 5 MHz Distribution Box > >Since you beat me by *THREE SECONDS* I shouldn't help you, but I have >one of these boxes and have partially figured it out. What do you want >to know? > >Ed > >Richard W. Solomon wrote: > >I picked up a box from "over there" that says ..."5 MH REF DISTRIB"... , >which I assume stands for 5 MHz Reference Distribution. It was made >by Satellite Transmission Systems of Hauppagge, NY. 2 BNC connectors >on one end, 3 SMA's a Red LED Alarm light and a DB-15 connector. > >A real long shot, I know, but on the off-chance, does anyone know >anything about this ? Anyone know if the company still exists ? > >Thanks, Dick, W1KSZ > >_______________________________________________ >time-nuts mailing list -- [3]time-nuts@febo.com >To unsubscribe, go to [4]https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts >and follow the instructions there. > > >_______________________________________________ >time-nuts mailing list -- [5]time-nuts@febo.com >To unsubscribe, go to [6]https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts >and follow the instructions there. > >References > > 1. mailto:ed_palmer@sasktel.net > 2. mailto:time-nuts@febo.com > 3. mailto:time-nuts@febo.com > 4. https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts > 5. mailto:time-nuts@febo.com > 6. https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts >_______________________________________________ >time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com >To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts >and follow the instructions there.