Submitted only in light of our most recent discussions re: the Perfect

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Can any one give me a line on finding a replacement holding tank for an Albin 36 trawler? Regards, Ron on Albin 36 "Meander" ----- Original Message ----- From: trawler-world-list <owner-trawler-world-list@samurai.com> To: <trawler-world-list-digest@samurai.com> Sent: Friday, October 26, 2001 11:00 PM Subject: trawler-world-list V5 #118 > > trawler-world-list Saturday, October 27 2001 Volume 05 : Number 118 > > > > TWL: Mantazza Cut > RE: TWL: RE: engine room temperature/venting > Re: TWL: engine room temperature/venting > TWL: Engine Room Venting > TWL: Re: Book Value??? > TWL: Re: Okeechobee > TWL: Impeller puller > Re: TWL: locking > Re: TWL: Okeechobee waterway > Re: TWL: Book Value??? > TWL: RE: Book Value > TWL: Perfect Boat Dog > Re: TWL: Book Value??? > TWL: Bilge pump oil filter > Re: TWL: Book Value??? > TWL: Lehman Coolers > Re: TWL: Book Value??? > TWL: Re: engine room temperature/venting > Re: TWL: Book Value??? > TWL: Unzipping bridge enclosure side curtains when docking in crosswind > TWL: Re: Perfect Boat Dog > TWL: Re: trawler-world-list V5 #117/Opinions on fan-driven engine room air supply? > TWL: Re: Mantazza Cut > TWL: Re: Book Value??? > TWL: RE: Re: engine room temperature/venting > TWL: Re: Mantazza Cut > TWL: Big Weather in the Pacific > Re: TWL: Book Value??? > Re: TWL: Unzipping bridge enclosure side curtains when docking in crosswind > Re: TWL: Unzipping bridge enclosure side curtains when docking in crosswind > TWL: Re: Re: Perfect Boat Dog > Re: TWL: Book Value??? > TWL: Detroit 8.2L > Re: TWL: Re: Mantazza Cut > TWL: RE: Big Weather in the Pacific > TWL:Book Value??? > Re: TWL: Engine Room Venting > Re: TWL: Engine Room Venting > Re: TWL: Unzipping bridge enclosure side curtains when dockingin crosswind > Re: TWL: Engine Room Venting > TWL: Tips and Tricks > Re: TWL:Book Value??? > TWL: Travel Channel -- Dangerous Ports > TWL: Dinghy crane motor & winch > Re: TWL: Travel Channel -- Dangerous Ports > Re: TWL: RE: Re: engine room temperature/venting > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 01:48:39 -0400 > From: Joe Chernow <jmccpa@ix.netcom.com> > Subject: TWL: Mantazza Cut > > Hi Al, > > Were on board MV Liquidity, an Offshore 62' Flushdeck drawing 5" now In St > Augustine, FL. planning to go inside on the ICW to Ft Lauderdale. > > Is this bad cut at St M 81? Please advise. Appreciate your help. We have > made it from FL to Nova Scotia and back to here without incident and don't > want one now. Thanks. > > Joe Chernow > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 10:43:39 -0400 > From: Arild Jensen <elnav@uniserve.com> > Subject: RE: TWL: RE: engine room temperature/venting > > At 03:53 PM 10/25/2001 -0700, Garrett Lambert wrote: > >Based on this thread, I suspect the builder was right about the fan > direction, > <<< snip>>> > >I suspect a trawler running at maximum speed isn't going to deliver the > >kind of volume and rate that Glenn Wauss suggests is needed. > > > >Opinions on fan-driven engine room air supply? > > > REPLY > > All the big yachts ( 65 - 90 feet ) that I have been on lately have been > fitted with forced ventilation blowers. > Judging by the power needed to drive these, the air volume is considerable. > Certainly a 16 inch dimater duct with a fan running at 1000 RPM moves a > lot of air. > Evidently the designers and or engine makers have decided that forced > ventilation is necessary for both engine and passenger comfort. > > Cheers > > Arild > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 01:59:20 EDT > From: flyjbaker624@aol.com > Subject: Re: TWL: engine room temperature/venting > > In a message dated 10/23/2001 12:11:35 PM Central Daylight Time, > mdgoode@bwr.eastlink.ca writes: > > << How do the rest of you address this? >> > > > With Air Conditioning!!!!!!!! Increasing your fan size may help just a > little but you probably wouldn't even notice it......Good Luck. > > Trawler on, > John > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 04:53:44 -0400 > From: "Ted Grave" <tgrave1@home.com> > Subject: TWL: Engine Room Venting > > At a Grand Banks rendezvous, I was lucky enough to get Bob Smith ( Ford > Lehman designer & geru) to stop by my boat. He frequently does this, and > if you are ever have the opportunity, try to get him onto your boat. > > Anyway, he asked me to start the engine. I did my normal starting > routine, which included turning on the engine room blower. He said" What > did you do that for?" I mumbled something about ventilation....cool > air....and he said "Bull. The only thing you will do with that fan is > burn it out." ( Loose quote). Since then, I've only used the fan to get > rid of heat after a shut down on a summer night. > > Ted Grave > GB32 > Branford, CT > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 04:40:08 -0500 > From: "Zeke Anderson" <zeekstah@ktc.com> > Subject: TWL: Re: Book Value??? > > > Hi all, > > Have seen several posts on looking at used boats but were disappointed > > because the boat was priced way above "book" value. What determines "book" > > value? Is it supply & demand? Is it governed by insurance interests? Seems > > to me if you have something a lot of people want but few are available, > the > > price goes up. What do you think?? > > Cheers, > > Dick > > > > Dick Schroder > > M/V Pan Handler > > > > "Book value" doesn't address supply and demand because it doesn't know that. > And one can insure a boat for way over the "book value". (I assume that) it > assumes everything is still original equipment...no updates such as > expensive electronics, new dinghy/ob etc. and assuming normal wear and tear > with minimal maintenance. There is also some price/inflation appreciation > offsetting the depreciation. It is highly arbitrary. I sold Texas Cookin' > (a clean, well maintained and equipped '84 PT 38) three months ago for 51 > grand over the "book value" of 89K. So much for "book value". I had buyers > lined up and no one mentioned "book value" except my broker who thought I > was asking too much. The market rules. > > Zeke Anderson > way ashore in Kerrville TX > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 06:29:56 EDT > From: FloridaKeyz@aol.com > Subject: TWL: Re: Okeechobee > > I just did the waterway about 3 weeks ok, it's all back to normal. > > Sterling > www.captsterling.com > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 06:25:05 -0500 > From: Marty Campanella <Campanella@mbc.com> > Subject: TWL: Impeller puller > > I have used the Jabisco impeller puller. It is much easier than two > screwdrivers or anything else I have used. > > Be careful that you have room to use it. It is a close call on my Lehman > 135. > > Marty Campanell > Bay Pelican KK42 > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 08:15:20 -0400 > From: "George Geist" <scaramouche@tvo.org> > Subject: Re: TWL: locking > > jcj@chattanooga.net writes: > >Don't be concerned about locking. Although I haven't seen the FL > >locks, I know they have to be a very short lift. In any case, the > >process needn't be much more complicated than docking side-to. > > Escellent piece of writing. Good information. I bet a magazine like > "Living Aboard" would be happy to publish it. I put it in my "keeper" > file > > George of Scaramouche1, Lake Ontario, Canada > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 08:50:43 EDT > From: AlorMaria@aol.com > Subject: Re: TWL: Okeechobee waterway > > In a message dated 10/24/01 9:59:08 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > jalexander127@home.com writes: > > << Well, to be honest, this is something new to me, I just never have had the > fortune or misfortune, whichever is the case, to have transited a lock > before. > >> > > Congrats on the boat, Jim. One thing that made us more comfortable when > transiting a type of lock we had never seen before was to visit the lock on > foot and if possible watch someone else go through. You can usually tie up at > the wharf in front of the lock and walk up to it. After a while they begin to > look alike but some are known to be difficult like lock 17 on the Erie and > lock 12 on the Champlain. Each system has different tie up conventions: some > have hanging ropes, some have fixed cables, some have pipes or ladders, some > have floating bollards, some have nothing and you must use the bollards along > the top. If you are really lucky, some have beautiful young ladies who will > throw you lines and practice their English on you. Whoa Baby! > > Al Johnson > 34' Marine Trader "Angelina" > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 09:11:27 -0400 > From: Joe DellaFera <samakijoe@mediaone.net> > Subject: Re: TWL: Book Value??? > > At 11:08 PM 10/25/2001 -0400, Dick Schroder wrote: > >Hi all, > >Have seen several posts on looking at used boats but were disappointed > >because the boat was priced way above "book" value. What determines "book" > >value? Is it supply & demand? Is it governed by insurance interests? Seems > >to me if you have something a lot of people want but few are available, the > >price goes up. What do you think?? > >Cheers, > >Dick > > > The value of a privatly owned boat is based, in my opinuin, mostly on > emotion. Looking back on our experience when shopping, the longer the boat > was owned and the older the owner was, the futher from reality the price. > "Don't confuse me with the facts" is the standard thinking when you tell > these people about the market and the condition of thier boat. We would > hear stories about what a great boat it was when the kids were growing up > (10 -15 years ago) The fact that it hasn't been cleaned (or run) since > then doesn't matter. I would say that the situation is worse now that > everyone with a trawler for sale thinks that everyone is selling his sail > boat and buying a trawler. It was bad out there then and I suspect it > still the same now, if not worse. As to Broker/owned boats, they beleive > there are plenty of buyers out there and I guess they (the brokers) > remember what P.T. Barnum said...jd > Joe DellaFera / Margaret Murray > 36' Prairie DC "Prairie Star" > Pompano Beach, Fl. > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 10:46:38 -0400 > From: "Jim Alexander" <jalexander127@home.com> > Subject: TWL: RE: Book Value > > Having just completed a lengthy process of looking for and purchasing a new > boat, I have had reason to address the issue of "Book Value" first hand > while shopping. I will say this about book values, they do serve as a > "guide" in developing the price of what a seller should ask and what a buyer > should pay for any given model. Usually I found that boats that were priced > way over book value were in especially good condition and loaded with > relatively new electronics and other equipment or were highly sought after > models. But this was not always the case. > > There are basically about three sources of "book" value on boats. They are > "BUC", NADA and McKnew & Parker Power Boat Guide. I usually found that the > BUC and McKnew were usually fairly close together, usually within 10-15%. > But, NADA usually is way off, especially on older boats, sometimes as much > as 70% low. NADA is basically worthless because unlike BUC and McKnew the > values are calculated by plugging in the New cost of the boat and then using > a computer program that automatically reduces the value year to year by some > set percentage. Obviously this method of establishing value never takes into > account actual market pressure for any given model. > > So, using the "book" as a guide, you can at least establish a "Ballpark" > figure for where a boat will fall in value as compared to other vessels. > The one place I found where the book does matter was when I bought my last > boat, a Whitby 42 Ketch. At that time I financed a portion of the boat > through my Credit Union and they would only consider the boats NADA value > when considering the loan value for the boat. I recall at that time the > NADA book on that boat was about $55,000.00 where I paid about $90,000.00 > for the boat. In discussion with the loan officer at the Credit Union I > found that they would not budge from the NADA value, regardless of the > Survey Value or any other source. Fortunately I was only financing about > 50% of the purchase price anyway, so I did get the amount I needed. This is > why when you buy a boat and need financing, especially an older model, it is > best to stick with Banks and other financial sources that specialize in > Marine Financing as they don't normally use NADA figures. > > Hope this helps to clear up some of the mystic of "book value" > > Jim Alexander > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 11:47:57 -0400 > From: "M. Kenneth McQuage" <tobyboat@worldnet.att.net> > Subject: TWL: Perfect Boat Dog > > Submitted only in light of our most recent discussions re: the Perfect > Boat Dog . > All the Best > Ken > > > How many dogs does it take to change a light bulb? > > > > - Golden Retriever > > The sun is shining, the day is young, we've got our whole lives ahead of > > us, and you're inside worrying about a stupid burned out bulb? > > > > - Border Collie: > > Just one. And then I'll replace any wiring that's not up to code. > > > > - Dachshund: > > You know I can't reach that damned stupid lamp! > > > > - Rottweiler: > > Make me. > > > > - Lab: > > Oh, me, me!!!! Pleeeeeeze let me change the light bulb! Can I? Can I? > > Huh? Huh? Huh? Can I? > > > > - Malamute: > > Let the Border Collie do it. You can feed me while he's busy. > > > > - Jack Russell Terrier: > > I'll just pop it in while I'm bouncing off the walls and furniture. > > > > - Poodle: > > I'll just blow in the Border Collie's ear and he'll do it. By the time he > > finishes rewiring the house, my nails will be dry. > > > > - Cocker Spaniel: > > Why change it? I can still pee on the carpet in the dark. > > > > -Doberman Pinscher: > > While it's dark, I'm going to sleep on the couch. > > > > - Boxer: > > Who cares? I can still play with my squeaky toys in the dark...... > > > > - Mastiff: > > Mastiffs are NOT afraid of the dark. > > > > - Chihuahua: > > Yo quiero Taco Bulb. > > > > - Irish Wolfhound: > > Can somebody else do it? I've got this hangover..... > > > > - Pointer: > > I see it, there it is, there it is, right there.... > > > > - Greyhound: > > It isn't moving. Who cares? > > > > - Australian Shepherd: > > First, I'll put all the light bulbs in a little circle.... > > > > - Old English Sheep Dog: > > Light bulb? I'm sorry, but I don't see a light bulb? > > > > - Hound Dog: > > Z Z Z Z Z Z Z Z Z z z z z z z z > > > > - Cat: > > Dogs do not change light bulbs. People change light bulbs. So the > > question is how long will it be before I can expect light? > > > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 13:16:35 -0400 > From: Terry Hoy <THOY@TELE-CONNECT.COM> > Subject: Re: TWL: Book Value??? > > A few years ago while looking for my previous boat, I spent a lot of time > with the BUC book. As I had looked over the past few years, I found that > all the values for the boats listed increased by the exact same percentage > from year to year and from model to model. > > The value of anything is what a buyer and seller agree on... > > Terry Hoy > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 22:04:12 -0400 > From: Arild Jensen <elnav@uniserve.com> > Subject: TWL: Bilge pump oil filter > > Does anyone know the manufacturer's name of the filter used for bilge pump > outflows. > > I need some technical data so a mass retailer is not too helpful. > > Thanks in advance > > Arild > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 13:42:30 -0400 > From: "Jim Alexander" <jalexander127@home.com> > Subject: Re: TWL: Book Value??? > > Terry, > That is a very interesting observation on the increases in value in the BUC > book. I had been led to believe that the BUC was one book that relied upon > Broker sale reports to establish its values. > > You are certainly correct about what a boat is really worth, that being what > a buyer and seller agree upon on any given day, however the book values are > still useful for Ballparking various models before you actually go out and > look for one. > > Jim > > - ----- Original Message ----- > From: Terry Hoy <THOY@TELE-CONNECT.COM> > To: 'Trawler World List' <trawler-world-list@samurai.com> > Sent: Friday, October 26, 2001 1:16 PM > Subject: Re: TWL: Book Value??? > > > > A few years ago while looking for my previous boat, I spent a lot of time > > with the BUC book. As I had looked over the past few years, I found that > > all the values for the boats listed increased by the exact same percentage > > from year to year and from model to model. > > > > The value of anything is what a buyer and seller agree on... > > > > Terry Hoy > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 11:10:07 -0700 > From: "Thompson, Stuart M (Stuart)" <stuartt@lucent.com> > Subject: TWL: Lehman Coolers > > Bear with me on this one! > I have a 66 Grand Banks42 Classic (#005) that has two different Lehman's. > Both are 120-D's and have just over 600hrs ea.on them. The Starboard eng > seems to be original and has been rebuilt. It has an injector pump that is > towards the aft of the engine, and runs off of a shaft about a foot and a > half long. The Port eng looks like a new re-power unit, and has the > injector pump forward being driven directly off a gear. > These engine differences are some times perplexing as parts like impellers > and such are different which makes me have to keep more in the way of spares > on board. > My current issue is that I am servicing the heat exchangers and tranny/oil > coolers on both engines, and discovered that the starboard eng only has a > tranni cooler, while the port eng has both a Tranny & oil cooler! I am > contemplating adding an oil cooler but was wondering if I could get a little > advice. The starboard eng also runs a lower oil pressure. Could this be due > to the fact that the oil viscosity is lower due to not having an oil cooler > installed? Was this the OEM spec for this year boat?? > > Please advise !! > Stuart > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 14:56:12 -0400 > From: "John Gaquin" <jgaquin@ici.net> > Subject: Re: TWL: Book Value??? > > From: "Jim Alexander" <jalexander127@home.com> > > > > ......however the book values are > > still useful for Ballparking various models before you actually go out and > > look for one. > > True, but it leaves you in a very large ballpark. I'm of the opinion that a > more realistic estimation of the market for a particular type of boat can > only be had by doing your own sampling, even if initially it's only a few > months of published ads and online sites. > > The "books" cannot work nearly as well in the boat world as they do in the > automotive world, because the sampling is too small for any particular type > of vessel, and the nature of the purchase (usually large) is such that the > market simply does not respond as quickly. Even in the auto world, after > NADA releases the numbers for this month, if Ford (for example) starts > aggressively leasing Explorers, it will immediately depress the used > Explorer market, and will cause smart dealers to anticipate a weakness in > the used Explorer market two years from now. The book is a ballpark at best > for autos, and even less reliable for boats. > > $0.02....... > > Regards, > > John Gaquin > m/v Brefnie Queen, 32' Luhrs > blocked and wrapped @ > Bass River Marina, West Dennis, MA > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 14:55:27 -0400 > From: Bill Martin <Martin_WJ@prodigy.net> > Subject: TWL: Re: engine room temperature/venting > > >On survey, it was noted that my boat's engine room blowers sucked air IN > >rather than blowing it OUT, and it was recommended they be reversed. > > My Present (a.k.a. CHB) is built the same way Garret. I asked the engine > surveyor what he thought about it later and he kind of shrugged and said > that 400hp worth of engines thumping along were capable of sucking a whole > &^%$ lot more air than the blower could force and it wouldn't really matter > if the blower ran or not or even whether the engines sucked the air > backwards through the blower for that matter. I must say that I've tried > running the engines with the blower running or without it and don't really > see any obvious difference so I'm inclined to believe him. While I accept > that as a common sense distillation of the situation it doesn't sit well > with my engineering view of the problem. > > What I've decided to do is to put a simple reversing toggle switch in the > blower circuit. This way I can have the blower forcing air into the engine > room while running, but switch it to exhaust when the engines aren't > running and I just want to cool out the engine space or get some > ventilation while working in there or whatever. Of course the blower > probably won't work as efficiently exhausting as it will blowing in, but it > seems more efficient than installing two blowers. I went out and bought > the switch, but so far actually installing it is too far down the list to > do much more than contemplate it. > > Finding the ground return wire has turned out to be the problem -- it looks > like I'll just have to disconnect all the grounds at the wiring panel one > screw at a time until I find the right one. > > Bill Martin > Telegraph Hill > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 12:14:33 -0700 > From: pgslo@juno.com > Subject: Re: TWL: Book Value??? > > On Thu, 25 Oct 2001 23:08:25 -0400 "Dick Schroder" <oilpans@thepoint.net> > writes: > > Hi all, > > Have seen several posts on looking at used boats but were > > disappointed > > because the boat was priced way above "book" value > > There is no such thing as an industry wide accepted "book" or appraised > value for a boat like there is for an > automobile or real estate. Such guides as BUC, NADA, and others for > boats are useless. > Even a value assigned by a qualified surveyor is useless, it is only done > for insurance or financing purposes. Many people think that you can > apply a type of > automotive blue book value to a boat. Nothing could be further from the > truth, it is a fallacy. The ONLY true value for a boat is what an owner > is willing to sell it for and what a buyer is willing to pay for it. > > > Patrick > > WILLARD 40PH > ,,^,, > ALOHA > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 15:17:27 -0400 > From: Myrna or Bob Siegel <thesiegels@erols.com> > Subject: TWL: Unzipping bridge enclosure side curtains when docking in crosswind > > Would there be a perceptable difference if side curtains on bridge > canvas were unzipped and allowed to flap freely when docking or > undocking in crosswind? I understand that wind velocity, vessel profile > dimensions are variables but am looking for a sense of listees opinions. > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 12:24:22 -0700 > From: "Anne Reeves" <seabird@olypen.com> > Subject: TWL: Re: Perfect Boat Dog > > > > How many dogs does it take to change a light bulb? > > Andy, our Boatdog, says she doesn't do fluorescent bulbs but, in the > meantime, she is herding all the incandescent ones in a large circle. > > Andy's mom > on Seabird > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 16:07:16 -0400 > From: "Harold R. Brink, PE" <hbrink@earthlink.net> > Subject: TWL: Re: trawler-world-list V5 #117/Opinions on fan-driven engine room air supply? > > I am a truck guy and the engine room is under the hood and air is sucked > into the room and therefore is positive pressure. To ventilate our bedroom > on warm/hot summer days we suck air in. A wise gentleman once told me he > tried to cool his bedroom by sucking air out of the room. He said, without > going into detail, it didn't work, positive presssure rules. Of course > where the air goes may produce another problem somewhere else. Tune in next > week, same boat time, same boat channel? > > FYI FWIIW. > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 16:22:02 -0400 > From: Joe Chernow <jmccpa@ix.netcom.com> > Subject: TWL: Re: Mantazza Cut > > At 10:04 AM 10/26/2001 -0400, you wrote: > >Can't really find a "Matanzas Cut". There is a Matanzas I snip.. > > > > Thank you all for input. > Safely made it to New Smryna Beach -Sea Love Boat Works Marina. Passed > dredge with about 5.0' and we draw 5.0'! Boat US Towing was most helpful > on VHF. > > Regards, > Joe Chernow > MV Liquidity Offshore 62' `Fluishdeck. > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 14:24:54 -0600 > From: "Wilkins, Joel" <JWilkins@idahopower.com> > Subject: TWL: Re: Book Value??? > > In my search/research for a boat I've run across various methods to evaluate > boat values. Most are those that have already been listed but I found one > through a very helpful broker in San Diego. Seems that Yacht World has a > section only available to Dealers/Brokers and this section is a compilation > of actual selling prices for boats that have been listed on Yacht World.com. > The broker had time to kill (don't they all) so he showed it to me in > action. A search brings up sold boats and their prices. I found it truly > helpful (Amazed at how much higher asking is than selling in most cases) . > As I'm not a broker, I don't have access but for those who are searching, > you could ask a yachtworld affiliated broker to check out that section when > you get close to purchase. > No affiliation w/YachtWorld... > Regards, > Joel Wilkins > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 22:38:36 +0200 > From: "LUIS MARTINEZ" <miahpaih@terra.es> > Subject: TWL: RE: Re: engine room temperature/venting > > Might be a cheap idea/solution to install a thermometer in the engine room > with clock and alarm in the Pilothouse board ? Could that also advise of a > posible fire in the engine room? > Regards > Luis / Spain > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 16:34:25 -0400 > From: "M.J. Taylor" <taylormj@erols.com> > Subject: TWL: Re: Mantazza Cut > > > Thank you all for input. > > Safely made it to New Smryna Beach -Sea Love Boat Works Marina. Passed > > dredge with about 5.0' and we draw 5.0'! Boat US Towing was most helpful > > on VHF. > > Joe, I have other friends headed through there in the next couple of weeks. > Was it indeed between markers 80 and 82? Many thanks. > > M.J. Taylor > Lucky VII > > ------------------------------ > > Date: 26 Oct 2001 13:37:31 -0400 > From: "Michael Maurice" <mikem@yachtsdelivered.com> > Subject: TWL: Big Weather in the Pacific > > In case you have always wanted to follow the gyrations of a super typhoon, > take a look at Padou near 22 N, 154 East. > WInds 140 knots, gusts to 170. Moving north at 8 knots. Should deteriorate > into an extra tropical storm when it gets into cold water. By that time it > should be coming east towards the Pacific coast. The swell from this thing > may do something for the US West coast. Eventually it should come ashore if > it does not peter out completely. > The weather right now off the Oregon and Washington coasts is nothing to > enjoy while immersed in it. And may not be for at least a week. Yuk. > > I will be following the weather real close since I have 2 boats going south > as soon as there is an opening. For which I will not hold my breath, as I > might die of asphyxiation, instead of drowning. The latter being preferable > for a real seaman. For a writer of prose the preferred method is traumatic > shock induced by visual images, with captions. > > > > > Capt. Mike Maurice > Near Portland Oregon. > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 14:08:46 -0700 > From: "Garrett Lambert" <e16@telus.net> > Subject: Re: TWL: Book Value??? > > I believe it was Shakespeare who said, "The price of a thing is what it > will bring." > > Cheers, Garrett > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 17:05:32 -0400 > From: Captain Al Pilvinis <yourcaptain@earthlink.net> > Subject: Re: TWL: Unzipping bridge enclosure side curtains when docking in crosswind > > At 03:17 PM 10/26/01 -0400, you wrote: > >Would there be a perceptable difference if side curtains on bridge > >canvas were unzipped and allowed to flap freely when docking or > >undocking in crosswind? I understand that wind velocity, vessel profile > >dimensions are variables but am looking for a sense of listees opinions. > ================================================================ > Hi Bob........... I suggest you learn how to dock your boat with the flaps > downlike they do on Jet liners. > . > Captain Al Pilvinis > > "M/V Driftwood"--Prairie 47 > 2630 N.E. 41st Street > Lighthouse Point, Fl 33064-8064 > Voice 954-941-2556 Fax 954 788-2666 > Email yourcaptain@earthlink.net > Website http://home.earthlink.net/~yourcaptain > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 17:06:32 -0400 > From: Frank Burrows <fburrows@mail.com> > Subject: Re: TWL: Unzipping bridge enclosure side curtains when docking in crosswind > > I can't believe it would make much difference and the flapping would be a > distraction in my view. The most effective tool in docking in the wind is > to be aware of the direction and anticipate the effect it is going to have > on your boat. When you are first learning to dock I think the best advise > is to keep the throttles at idle but after you get the hang of it using the > throttles to get a faster response is advisable. > > Frank Burrows 1979 43' Viking MY Piney Narrows Marina Chesapeake Bay > > > At 03:17 PM 10/26/2001 -0400, you wrote: > > > >Would there be a perceptable difference if side curtains on bridge > >canvas were unzipped and allowed to flap freely when docking or > >undocking in crosswind? I understand that wind velocity, vessel profile > >dimensions are variables but am looking for a sense of listees opinions. > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 17:13:05 -0700 > From: "Dr. C.O. Moss" <docmoss@tampabay.rr.com> > Subject: TWL: Re: Re: Perfect Boat Dog > > Our Australian Sheppard is herding the fiddler crabs that crawl off the > docks onto the boat. > We sell them for fishing, $1 per dozen. Goes for dog treats. > She loves it. > > docmoss > > > > > > How many dogs does it take to change a light bulb? > > > > Andy, our Boatdog, says she doesn't do fluorescent bulbs but, in the > > meantime, she is herding all the incandescent ones in a large circle. > > > > Andy's mom > > on Seabird > > > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 01:18:14 -0400 > From: Arild Jensen <elnav@uniserve.com> > Subject: Re: TWL: Book Value??? > > At 12:14 PM 10/26/2001 -0700, Patrick <pgslo@juno.com> wrote: > > >There is no such thing as an industry wide accepted "book" or appraised > >value for a boat like there is for an automobile or real estate. > > > REPLY > That is quite true. However, in Ontario Canada, Doug Dawson is a boat > broker who has set up a computerized business compiling listings with both > asking and selling price. > > Over the past 10 -15 years this has amounted to a considerable data base. > Doug was also smart enough to enlist the cooperation of other dealers. > Consequently, he ia able to offer a computerized search of all boats > listed in Ontario and even beyond. > > With such an extensive database the financial and insurance companies > have begun asking him for values. > Because the listing includes both asking and actual selling price the > list reflects a more realistic market value than simple depreciation > would indicate. > This service to the financial community has now grown into a business > all of its own. There is a small fee for such searches. > If you are simply a buyer looking for a boat there is no fee. You pay the > usual sales commission to the broker handling the sale. > > Sound like an idea which could grow to national proportions. > > Cheers > > BTW, no commercial interest - I just know the guy and meet him once a > year at the Toronto Boat show. > > Arild > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 14:30:05 -0700 (PDT) > From: Tom Egan <mvserenity@yahoo.com> > Subject: TWL: Detroit 8.2L > > I have these engines in my 37 President, have run them > for three years (100 hrs/yr). I bought the boat used, > at auction without a survey. The engines were the > unknown and I figured to have problems with them. To > date I have had no major problems. I replaced one > relay, and in three years I have not had to call a > mechanic. I have a friend who has them in a sport fish > boat and really abuses them he also has no problems. > > They are a bit dirty(oil; leaks) but most Detroit s > are. > I would say they are a good engine but not a great > engine. They are not sleeved and are considered a > throw away engine but everyone I have talked to likes > them. The early models required a couple of mods, one > was return hoses on the manifolds back to the > thermostat housing, the other was a major which > increased the head bolt size. > > There is also a recommendation that the gasket at the > manifold to turbo transition be checked annually. The > surfaces should be machined the first time this check > is made. Do not over heat these engines, I have > installed raw water Flow sensors to give me an edge in > this department, some people also add exhaust temp > sensors. Do not exceed the recomended 2800 RPM max > cruise speed. Change the oil regular, keep the fuel > clean and enjoy. > > Tom Egan > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Make a great connection at Yahoo! Personals. > http://personals.yahoo.com > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 18:05:28 -0400 > From: Joe Chernow <jmccpa@ix.netcom.com> > Subject: Re: TWL: Re: Mantazza Cut > > At 04:34 PM 10/26/2001 -0400, you wrote: > > > Thank you all for input. > > > Safely made it to New Smryna Beach -Sea Love Boat Works Marina. Passed > > > dredge with about 5.0' and we draw 5.0'! Boat US Towing was most helpful > > > on VHF. > > > >Joe, I have other friends headed through there in the next couple of weeks. > >Was it indeed between markers 80 and 82? Many thanks. > > > >M.J. Taylor > >Lucky VII > > > M.J., > Yes, it was indeed! > In 16 years of cruising the ICW from Brownvsille, TX, to Florida and to > Norfolk-- never seen it so shallow. Thanks for the info. > Regards, > Joe Chernow > MV Liquidity, Offshore 62 Flushdeck > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 15:10:41 -0700 > From: "Jim Donohue" <jim_donohue@computer.org> > Subject: TWL: RE: Big Weather in the Pacific > > In my role as a controller on PacSeaNet we had a vessel leave Neah Bay > yesterday for the Marquesas. The vessel INNOEY is being singlehanded. > Situation was 25 knots and 10 feet last night. This guy is a > circumnavigator name of Michael. If you want to see how bad it gets you can > see the reports on: > > http://www.bitwrangler.com/yotreps/ > > Jim > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: owner-trawler-world-list@samurai.com > > [mailto:owner-trawler-world-list@samurai.com]On Behalf Of Michael > > Maurice > > Sent: Friday, October 26, 2001 10:38 AM > > To: trawler-world-list@samurai.com > > Subject: TWL: Big Weather in the Pacific > > > > I will be following the weather real close since I have 2 boats > > going south > > as soon as there is an opening. For which I will not hold my breath, as I > > might die of asphyxiation, instead of drowning. The latter being > > preferable > > for a real seaman. For a writer of prose the preferred method is > > traumatic > > shock induced by visual images, with captions. > > > > > > > > > > Capt. Mike Maurice > > Near Portland Oregon. > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 17:50:23 -0500 > From: "Meyer, Danny" <DMeyer@dallasnews.com> > Subject: TWL:Book Value??? > > Don't forget that LOCATION can radically influence the value of a boat. > > Daniel Meyer > http://cuagain.manilasites.com > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2001 09:15:56 +1000 > From: glennwaus@netspace.net.au > Subject: Re: TWL: Engine Room Venting > > Hello Ted, > > 26 October, 2001, 6:53:44 PM, you wrote: > > > TG> Anyway, he asked me to start the engine. I did my normal starting > TG> routine, which included turning on the engine room blower. He said" What > TG> did you do that for?" I mumbled something about ventilation....cool > TG> air....and he said "Bull. The only thing you will do with that fan is > TG> burn it out." ( Loose quote). > > > He's entitled to his opinion Ted, but it seems to me that if you are > pulling cool air into the engine room it must do more good than harm. > He might have left unsaid that your engines may use more air than the > fan could provide. > Cheers > Glenn. > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 17:13:48 -0700 > From: "Richard" <capnrich@cnw.com> > Subject: Re: TWL: Engine Room Venting > > Yup, based on the info, best to enlarge the engine room vents. Seems the > prudent thing to do after 21 years. > I'll do it at night tho. > My boat neighbors get nervous when they see a chain saw on the dock. > Richard > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 17:31:48 -0700 > From: Gregg.McKay@telus.net > Subject: Re: TWL: Unzipping bridge enclosure side curtains when dockingin crosswind > > Frank wrote: <<The most effective tool in docking in the wind is > to be aware of the direction>> > > I'm sure everybody does this, but for those who don't, I always check > the windex at the top of a sailboat whenever I dock to see what the wind > is doing. This has become such a habit over the years that I find > myself with binoculars in hand looking at sailboat masts even on the > calmest days in summer. > > Cheers, > > Gregg McKay > 37 Tolly > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 19:36:27 -0500 > From: Charles Culotta <cculotta@iamerica.net> > Subject: Re: TWL: Engine Room Venting > > Glenn, > Think for a minute of how a diesel engine works. It compresses air and fuel > until it burns. > Starting a cold engine you need HOT air. > My engines , PERKINS 6.354's have pre HEATERS on them to heat the incoming cold > air for starting on cold days. > This is mho of why Bob made the comment. It is not inconceivable that I am wrong > but those hot little glow plugs sure make starting easy on cold days( we do have > a few of those here). > CCC > > glennwaus@netspace.net.au wrote: > > > Hello Ted, > > > > 26 October, 2001, 6:53:44 PM, you wrote: > > > > TG> Anyway, he asked me to start the engine. I did my normal starting > > TG> routine, which included turning on the engine room blower. He said" What > > TG> did you do that for?" > > > > He's entitled to his opinion Ted, but it seems to me that if you are > > pulling cool air into the engine room it must do more good than harm. > > He might have left unsaid that your engines may use more air than the > > fan could provide. > > Cheers > > Glenn. > > - -- > Charles and Pat Culotta > Patterson, La. > Web Site: http://www.geocities.com/charlesculotta/ > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 18:24:38 -0700 > From: "Shaun Sweeney" <shaunsweeney@telus.net> > Subject: TWL: Tips and Tricks > > Just went thru a shaft alignment process today that I thought some might be > interested in. We set out to align the shafts on my 46' Alaskan which has > twin 120 Lehmans. After grunting our way thru removing the fibre shaft > coupler (used to insulate shaft from engine and protect against breakage) we > used a feeler guage to compare spacing between the end of the shaft and end > of the trany. > > The way you determine whether a problem has to do with bent shaft or motor > out of alignment is to test to see if the uneven space moves when the shaft > is rotated. If the space moves, it suggests a bent shaft. If the space > remains in the same place, the engine needs alignement. > > Luckily for me, the space didn't move and by dropping the front of the > engine, along with a slight raise on the rear port side engine mount, the > spacing became even all the way around. Ta daaa! > Job done. > > We started this job after noticing a slight 'rumble' every once in a while > when underway and I am hopeful this alignment will elliminate it. > > Sorry for the poor explanation. I'll blame it on the fruit of the vine. > > Cheers ... Shaun > aboard Rana III > lying Nanaimo Harbour > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 21:46:22 -0400 > From: "M. Kenneth McQuage" <tobyboat@worldnet.att.net> > Subject: Re: TWL:Book Value??? > > I have come to believe that all books on boat values should begin with " > Once upon a time ....." > > Ken > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 20:17:14 -0600 > From: Jim & Rita Ague <jim.ague@worldnet.att.net> > Subject: TWL: Travel Channel -- Dangerous Ports > > I saw this on the Travel Channel for the first tme. Hour long show. Last > night was about entering the Columbia River in the NorthWest. It explained > how the Pacific blowing in and the Columbia flowing out, made the entrance > to the Columbia one of the most "Dangerous Ports". It showed the CG playing > about in breakeers that pitched and rolled them 45 degrees. Also described > the lives of pilots, locals hired to bring the big ships into the Columbia. > > Made me glad I cruise the Chesapeake. > > - -- Jim > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > JimAgue > M/V Derreen, Monk 36 Trawler > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 22:21:00 -0400 > From: "Jim Alexander" <jalexander127@home.com> > Subject: TWL: Dinghy crane motor & winch > > The boat I just purchased has a dinghy crane atop the sundeck, but the motor > and winch are missing. Much as I have searched on the net, I cannot find a > source for a new one. Any one able to help here? > > Jim Alexander > > ------------------------------ > > Date: 26 Oct 2001 20:02:10 -0400 > From: "Michael Maurice" <mikem@yachtsdelivered.com> > Subject: Re: TWL: Travel Channel -- Dangerous Ports > > At 10:17 PM 10/26/01, you wrote: > >night was about entering the Columbia River in the NorthWest. It explained > >how the Pacific blowing in and the Columbia flowing out, made the entrance > >to the Columbia one of the most "Dangerous Ports". It showed the CG playing > > Rubbish. > Columbia is the safest in bad conditions of any entrance on the coast. > The rest are all worse and I can back this up with facts. Not video hype. > > Regards, > Mike > > > Capt. Mike Maurice > Near Portland Oregon. > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 02:40:21 -0400 > From: Arild Jensen <elnav@uniserve.com> > Subject: Re: TWL: RE: Re: engine room temperature/venting > > At 10:38 PM 10/26/2001 +0200, LUIS MARTINEZ wrote: > >Might be a cheap idea/solution to install a thermometer in the engine room > >with clock and alarm in the Pilothouse board ? Could that also advise of a > >posible fire in the engine room? > >Regards > >Luis / Spain > > > REPLY > The automotive indoor/outdoor thermometers are so cheap that this is > likely the best bet for remote monitoring. > However, a simple temp sensor is not a reliable fier detector. Especially > one limited to a temp range at or less than boiling water. > > Cheers > > Arild > > ------------------------------ > > End of trawler-world-list V5 #118 > ********************************* >

Well, we may have found our trawler. I'm not sure what to do next but here is where we stand right now. We found a nice 51' 1986 Defever offered by Oviatt Marine. We have all the spec on it and like it very much. Yesterday my brother went down to Hollywood, FL to look at it and he liked it too. He felt it needed a lot of cosmetics but he is a boat builder/wood worker and if it's not absolutely perfect he thinks it all needs to be redone. So the fact that he thought it was a nice boat says a lot. He is not a surveyor however, so I guess this week my husband is going to fly down and eyeball the boat and then we need to arrange all the surveys we need. Does anyone have the name of a good surveyor for the boat and engines? Also any comments about the 375 hp CAT 3208 turbo aftercooled diesels? Susan

At 07:11 AM 11/03/2001 -0500, Starfish Design wrote: >Well, we may have found our trawler. I'm not sure what to do next but here >is where we stand right now. We found a nice 51' 1986 Defever offered by >Oviatt Marine. We have all the spec on it and like it very much. > >Yesterday my brother went down to Hollywood, FL to look at it and he liked >it too. He felt it needed a lot of cosmetics but he is a boat builder/wood >worker and if it's not absolutely perfect he thinks it all needs to be >redone. So the fact that he thought it was a nice boat says a lot. He is >not a surveyor however, so I guess this week my husband is going to fly down >and eyeball the boat and then we need to arrange all the surveys we need. > >Does anyone have the name of a good surveyor for the boat and engines? Also >any comments about the 375 hp CAT 3208 turbo aftercooled diesels? > >Susan I would call Jonathan Howe (1-954-792-6092) he works with Ed Rowe & Assc. He did a "reinsurence survey" for us last month. All we exspected was a quick survey to assure the Insurance Company that the boat did exsist and that it was not about to sink. But this guy spent hours on the boat and looked into everything (to the point of getting me upset but would have made me happy if I was looking at the boat to buy) ) First class report. I would use him again if I was buying a new boat...jd > > Joe DellaFera / Margaret Murray 36' Prairie DC "Prairie Star" Pompano Beach, Fl.

> Can any one give me a line on finding a replacement holding tank for an > Albin 36 trawler? > Regards, Ron on Albin 36 "Meander http://www.ronco-plastics.com/PDF/powerwash.pdf If you want more advice on this send to me off line. I completed a tank replacement in a 40' last winter. Richard