Well, I just want to make some points clear, and I am going to do that politely, which is what nettiquette demands, though that is not the way I naturally react to infinite nonsensical threads in my inbox. >> here are the members of the ESUG's board: >> >> (...) >> Jordi Delgado <- Pharo Just paying a little bit of attention should make you clear that a large part of our work is being developed with Squeak, from teaching at the university (however, this is going to change soon in favour of Pharo, for reasons that have *nothing* to do with ESUG) to maintaining and updating our S4A (Scratch for Arduino). Also, our Fluidinfo software was developed using Squeak. The Smalltalk Tutor presented at ESUG'11 was developed using Pharo and GNU Smalltalk. Thus, we have never used a Smalltalk that is not open source, but saying that we use only Pharo is just wrong. Maybe the board (and a whole lot of people) uses mainly Pharo, but that is probably because they use whatever they want to use and somehow Pharo is what they think is the best tool for their project. And if someone wants support from ESUG, probably the best way to get it is asking for it. I do not remember how many times ESUG has rejected to offer support to any Smalltalk initiative (maybe zero?). In fact, ESUG itself has offered support to local groups *before* the groups asked for it. Bests, Jordi