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Subject: Listening to the List Owner

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Perry Sandeen
Wed, Sep 21, 2011 4:34 AM

GM List

Wrote: Did anyone pay any attention to the request I posted last evening???

No.  They were too busy top posting each other.  Considering how much top posting was done implies a nationwide shortage of Prozac (or equivalent).

Regards,

Perrier

GM List Wrote: Did *anyone* pay any attention to the request I posted last evening??? No. They were too busy top posting each other. Considering how much top posting was done implies a nationwide shortage of Prozac (or equivalent). Regards, Perrier
RK
Rob Kimberley
Wed, Sep 21, 2011 8:47 AM

Nothing wrong with top posting my friend!
Rob K

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Subject: [time-nuts] Subject: Listening to the List Owner

GM List

Wrote: Did anyone pay any attention to the request I posted last
evening???

No.  They were too busy top posting each other.  Considering how much top
posting was done implies a nationwide shortage of Prozac (or equivalent).

Regards,

Perrier


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Nothing wrong with top posting my friend! Rob K -----Original Message----- From: time-nuts-bounces@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-bounces@febo.com] On Behalf Of Perry Sandeen Sent: 21 September 2011 5:34 AM To: time-nuts@febo.com Subject: [time-nuts] Subject: Listening to the List Owner GM List Wrote: Did *anyone* pay any attention to the request I posted last evening??? No. They were too busy top posting each other. Considering how much top posting was done implies a nationwide shortage of Prozac (or equivalent). Regards, Perrier _______________________________________________ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
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lists@lazygranch.com
Wed, Sep 21, 2011 9:12 AM

Haven't we reached the point where someone mentions Hitler?

-----Original Message-----
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Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Subject: Listening to the List Owner

Nothing wrong with top posting my friend!
Rob K

-----Original Message-----
From: time-nuts-bounces@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-bounces@febo.com] On
Behalf Of Perry Sandeen
Sent: 21 September 2011 5:34 AM
To: time-nuts@febo.com
Subject: [time-nuts] Subject: Listening to the List Owner

GM List

Wrote: Did anyone pay any attention to the request I posted last
evening???

No.  They were too busy top posting each other.  Considering how much top
posting was done implies a nationwide shortage of Prozac (or equivalent).

Regards,

Perrier


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Haven't we reached the point where someone mentions Hitler? -----Original Message----- From: "Rob Kimberley" <timing.consultants@btinternet.com> Sender: time-nuts-bounces@febo.com Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2011 09:47:16 To: 'Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement'<time-nuts@febo.com> Reply-To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement <time-nuts@febo.com> Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Subject: Listening to the List Owner Nothing wrong with top posting my friend! Rob K -----Original Message----- From: time-nuts-bounces@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-bounces@febo.com] On Behalf Of Perry Sandeen Sent: 21 September 2011 5:34 AM To: time-nuts@febo.com Subject: [time-nuts] Subject: Listening to the List Owner GM List Wrote: Did *anyone* pay any attention to the request I posted last evening??? No. They were too busy top posting each other. Considering how much top posting was done implies a nationwide shortage of Prozac (or equivalent). Regards, Perrier _______________________________________________ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. _______________________________________________ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
DJ
David J Taylor
Wed, Sep 21, 2011 9:41 AM

Nothing wrong with top posting my friend!
Rob K

Please see:
http://www.html-faq.com/etiquette/?toppost

Cheers,
David

SatSignal software - quality software written to your requirements
Web:  http://www.satsignal.eu
Email:  david-taylor@blueyonder.co.uk

> Nothing wrong with top posting my friend! > Rob K Please see: http://www.html-faq.com/etiquette/?toppost Cheers, David -- SatSignal software - quality software written to your requirements Web: http://www.satsignal.eu Email: david-taylor@blueyonder.co.uk
CH
Chuck Harris
Wed, Sep 21, 2011 9:55 AM

NO.

David J Taylor wrote:

Nothing wrong with top posting my friend!
Rob K

NO. David J Taylor wrote: >> Nothing wrong with top posting my friend! >> Rob K > > Please see: > http://www.html-faq.com/etiquette/?toppost > > Cheers, > David
RK
Rob Kimberley
Wed, Sep 21, 2011 11:43 AM

David,

I appreciate the subtle humour here, but virtually all people I communicate
with top post, and I've been using email since the early 90s. It is only
groups like this where it seems to be a problem.  Maybe it is a function of
the mail reader that is being used, (not sure on that one), but I think you
will find that you are in the minority.

Rob

-----Original Message-----
From: time-nuts-bounces@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-bounces@febo.com] On
Behalf Of David J Taylor
Sent: 21 September 2011 10:42 AM
To: 'Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement'
Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Subject: Listening to the List Owner

Nothing wrong with top posting my friend!
Rob K

Please see:
http://www.html-faq.com/etiquette/?toppost

Cheers,
David

SatSignal software - quality software written to your requirements
Web:  http://www.satsignal.eu
Email:  david-taylor@blueyonder.co.uk


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David, I appreciate the subtle humour here, but virtually all people I communicate with top post, and I've been using email since the early 90s. It is only groups like this where it seems to be a problem. Maybe it is a function of the mail reader that is being used, (not sure on that one), but I think you will find that you are in the minority. Rob -----Original Message----- From: time-nuts-bounces@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-bounces@febo.com] On Behalf Of David J Taylor Sent: 21 September 2011 10:42 AM To: 'Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement' Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Subject: Listening to the List Owner > Nothing wrong with top posting my friend! > Rob K Please see: http://www.html-faq.com/etiquette/?toppost Cheers, David -- SatSignal software - quality software written to your requirements Web: http://www.satsignal.eu Email: david-taylor@blueyonder.co.uk _______________________________________________ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
PG
Peter Gottlieb
Wed, Sep 21, 2011 12:07 PM

Here, I'll top post this, and explain why.  It is frequently very difficult to
follow a complex thread due to different indentings, split up messages, some
groups not accepting HTML (like Yahoo's intermittent problems), and just plain
efficiency.  I have frequently missed points because I didn't spend time to comb
through a long thread to see a few words of response buried deep in the
message.  I also get a rather large volume of mail, much of which has a pretty
low SNR.  The quickest, most efficient method in my experience is to top post
when there is a single point to communicate.  Obviously, if you want to cover
many points of a long message, then it makes sense to be inserting the comments
in the proper locations, so you will see me doing that when appropriate.

Besides, what is more important:  the ideas someone has, or their posting
style?  When the posting style becomes more important in a group than the ideas,
I find that's usually not the place for me (and I know there are many others who
share that sentiment, it's far from original).  I suspect we can all easily
adapt to either, both, or an as-appropriate mix of posting styles.

Peter

On 9/21/2011 7:43 AM, Rob Kimberley wrote:

David,

I appreciate the subtle humour here, but virtually all people I communicate
with top post, and I've been using email since the early 90s. It is only
groups like this where it seems to be a problem.  Maybe it is a function of
the mail reader that is being used, (not sure on that one), but I think you
will find that you are in the minority.

Rob

-----Original Message-----
From: time-nuts-bounces@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-bounces@febo.com] On
Behalf Of David J Taylor
Sent: 21 September 2011 10:42 AM
To: 'Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement'
Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Subject: Listening to the List Owner

Nothing wrong with top posting my friend!
Rob K

Here, I'll top post this, and explain why. It is frequently very difficult to follow a complex thread due to different indentings, split up messages, some groups not accepting HTML (like Yahoo's intermittent problems), and just plain efficiency. I have frequently missed points because I didn't spend time to comb through a long thread to see a few words of response buried deep in the message. I also get a rather large volume of mail, much of which has a pretty low SNR. The quickest, most efficient method in my experience is to top post when there is a single point to communicate. Obviously, if you want to cover many points of a long message, then it makes sense to be inserting the comments in the proper locations, so you will see me doing that when appropriate. Besides, what is more important: the ideas someone has, or their posting style? When the posting style becomes more important in a group than the ideas, I find that's usually not the place for me (and I know there are many others who share that sentiment, it's far from original). I suspect we can all easily adapt to either, both, or an as-appropriate mix of posting styles. Peter On 9/21/2011 7:43 AM, Rob Kimberley wrote: > David, > > I appreciate the subtle humour here, but virtually all people I communicate > with top post, and I've been using email since the early 90s. It is only > groups like this where it seems to be a problem. Maybe it is a function of > the mail reader that is being used, (not sure on that one), but I think you > will find that you are in the minority. > > Rob > > -----Original Message----- > From: time-nuts-bounces@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-bounces@febo.com] On > Behalf Of David J Taylor > Sent: 21 September 2011 10:42 AM > To: 'Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement' > Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Subject: Listening to the List Owner > >> Nothing wrong with top posting my friend! >> Rob K > Please see: > http://www.html-faq.com/etiquette/?toppost > > Cheers, > David > -- >
DJ
David J Taylor
Wed, Sep 21, 2011 12:11 PM

David,

I appreciate the subtle humour here, but virtually all people I
communicate
with top post, and I've been using email since the early 90s. It is only
groups like this where it seems to be a problem.  Maybe it is a function
of
the mail reader that is being used, (not sure on that one), but I think
you
will find that you are in the minority.

Rob

I may be in the minority, Rob, but the natural order for English has been
from top to bottom for as long as I have read books, magazine, newspapers,
reports, written letters or diaries etc.  It seems completely unnatural
and illogical to me to have the answer before the question!  I agree that
it may be the fault of some mail readers that top-posting has started, and
people failing to trim older parts of the message, and failing to scroll
down before they place their replies.

However, likely this is well off-topic, so I'll stop there.

PS: I don't do HTML e-mail either!

Cheers,
David

SatSignal software - quality software written to your requirements
Web:  http://www.satsignal.eu
Email:  david-taylor@blueyonder.co.uk

> David, > > I appreciate the subtle humour here, but virtually all people I > communicate > with top post, and I've been using email since the early 90s. It is only > groups like this where it seems to be a problem. Maybe it is a function > of > the mail reader that is being used, (not sure on that one), but I think > you > will find that you are in the minority. > > Rob I may be in the minority, Rob, but the natural order for English has been from top to bottom for as long as I have read books, magazine, newspapers, reports, written letters or diaries etc. It seems completely unnatural and illogical to me to have the answer before the question! I agree that it may be the fault of some mail readers that top-posting has started, and people failing to trim older parts of the message, and failing to scroll down before they place their replies. However, likely this is well off-topic, so I'll stop there. PS: I don't do HTML e-mail either! Cheers, David -- SatSignal software - quality software written to your requirements Web: http://www.satsignal.eu Email: david-taylor@blueyonder.co.uk
M
mikes@flatsurface.com
Wed, Sep 21, 2011 12:12 PM

At 07:43 AM 9/21/2011, Rob Kimberley wrote...

I appreciate the subtle humour here, but virtually all people I
communicate
with top post, and I've been using email since the early 90s. It is
only
groups like this where it seems to be a problem.  Maybe it is a
function of
the mail reader that is being used, (not sure on that one), but I
think you
will find that you are in the minority.

Microsoft (Exchange), RIM (Blackberry), and Google (Android), all make
it difficult-to-impossible to not top post. But they're all clueless
net newbies, too.

At 07:43 AM 9/21/2011, Rob Kimberley wrote... >I appreciate the subtle humour here, but virtually all people I >communicate >with top post, and I've been using email since the early 90s. It is >only >groups like this where it seems to be a problem. Maybe it is a >function of >the mail reader that is being used, (not sure on that one), but I >think you >will find that you are in the minority. Microsoft (Exchange), RIM (Blackberry), and Google (Android), all make it difficult-to-impossible to _not_ top post. But they're all clueless net newbies, too.
MG
Miguel Gonçalves
Wed, Sep 21, 2011 12:27 PM

I really find it funny (to say the least) that in the XXI century people concentrate on form rather than content when using such an informal medium as e-mail.

This resembles professional and academic titles that people insist on appending to their names. These human beings are all about appearance. When you squeeze then there's little juice. It's ridiculous!

Regarding HTML mail it's like still using, today, a text based console e-mail client on a VAX/VMS! Fortunately punch cards went away a while ago!

By the way, HTML is a standard and I find it perfectly acceptable to have it used to format content of an e-mail. Are you against standards?

I bet you use MIME or do you attach the links to an FTP server for large files? Not an HTTP server as HTTP was not designed to transfer files.

I believe we have to be flexible and open in the world we live today.

Cheers,
Miguel

PS: Sorry for any typos as English is not my main language.

On 21/09/2011, at 13:07, Peter Gottlieb nerd@verizon.net wrote:

Here, I'll top post this, and explain why.  It is frequently very difficult to follow a complex thread due to different indentings, split up messages, some groups not accepting HTML (like Yahoo's intermittent problems), and just plain efficiency.  I have frequently missed points because I didn't spend time to comb through a long thread to see a few words of response buried deep in the message.  I also get a rather large volume of mail, much of which has a pretty low SNR.  The quickest, most efficient method in my experience is to top post when there is a single point to communicate.  Obviously, if you want to cover many points of a long message, then it makes sense to be inserting the comments in the proper locations, so you will see me doing that when appropriate.

Besides, what is more important:  the ideas someone has, or their posting style?  When the posting style becomes more important in a group than the ideas, I find that's usually not the place for me (and I know there are many others who share that sentiment, it's far from original).  I suspect we can all easily adapt to either, both, or an as-appropriate mix of posting styles.

Peter

On 9/21/2011 7:43 AM, Rob Kimberley wrote:

David,

I appreciate the subtle humour here, but virtually all people I communicate
with top post, and I've been using email since the early 90s. It is only
groups like this where it seems to be a problem.  Maybe it is a function of
the mail reader that is being used, (not sure on that one), but I think you
will find that you are in the minority.

Rob

-----Original Message-----
From: time-nuts-bounces@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-bounces@febo.com] On
Behalf Of David J Taylor
Sent: 21 September 2011 10:42 AM
To: 'Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement'
Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Subject: Listening to the List Owner

Nothing wrong with top posting my friend!
Rob K


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I really find it funny (to say the least) that in the XXI century people concentrate on form rather than content when using such an informal medium as e-mail. This resembles professional and academic titles that people insist on appending to their names. These human beings are all about appearance. When you squeeze then there's little juice. It's ridiculous! Regarding HTML mail it's like still using, today, a text based console e-mail client on a VAX/VMS! Fortunately punch cards went away a while ago! By the way, HTML is a standard and I find it perfectly acceptable to have it used to format content of an e-mail. Are you against standards? I bet you use MIME or do you attach the links to an FTP server for large files? Not an HTTP server as HTTP was not designed to transfer files. I believe we have to be flexible and open in the world we live today. Cheers, Miguel PS: Sorry for any typos as English is not my main language. On 21/09/2011, at 13:07, Peter Gottlieb <nerd@verizon.net> wrote: > Here, I'll top post this, and explain why. It is frequently very difficult to follow a complex thread due to different indentings, split up messages, some groups not accepting HTML (like Yahoo's intermittent problems), and just plain efficiency. I have frequently missed points because I didn't spend time to comb through a long thread to see a few words of response buried deep in the message. I also get a rather large volume of mail, much of which has a pretty low SNR. The quickest, most efficient method in my experience is to top post when there is a single point to communicate. Obviously, if you want to cover many points of a long message, then it makes sense to be inserting the comments in the proper locations, so you will see me doing that when appropriate. > > Besides, what is more important: the ideas someone has, or their posting style? When the posting style becomes more important in a group than the ideas, I find that's usually not the place for me (and I know there are many others who share that sentiment, it's far from original). I suspect we can all easily adapt to either, both, or an as-appropriate mix of posting styles. > > Peter > > > > > On 9/21/2011 7:43 AM, Rob Kimberley wrote: >> David, >> >> I appreciate the subtle humour here, but virtually all people I communicate >> with top post, and I've been using email since the early 90s. It is only >> groups like this where it seems to be a problem. Maybe it is a function of >> the mail reader that is being used, (not sure on that one), but I think you >> will find that you are in the minority. >> >> Rob >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: time-nuts-bounces@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-bounces@febo.com] On >> Behalf Of David J Taylor >> Sent: 21 September 2011 10:42 AM >> To: 'Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement' >> Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Subject: Listening to the List Owner >> >>> Nothing wrong with top posting my friend! >>> Rob K >> Please see: >> http://www.html-faq.com/etiquette/?toppost >> >> Cheers, >> David >> -- >> > > _______________________________________________ > time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com > To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts > and follow the instructions there.