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Radar Detectors at Sea

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Patrick And Margie Connor
Fri, Aug 15, 2008 2:30 PM

In reading some of the articles on short handed transits I got to thinking
about using automobile radar detectors on boats to detect the radars on
approaching commercial vessels.

There used to be companies that manufactured radar detectors for boats.  As
I remember, these indicated a rough bearing (i.e. which quadrant) to the
detected radar.  Also, these were fairly pricey.

I'm not suggesting using these automobile devices as a first line system on
your boat.  Nor should they be counted on to replace good watch standing
practices.  But, if you've got one in your car why not take it along on your
next offshore/overnight transit and see how it does.

Without any real testing, here's what I think you might expect in the way of
performance:

I think the frequency of commercial marine radars will fall into one of the
operating bands of the automobile radar detectors (S, X, or K), i.e. it will
detect them.  Police radars are doppler radars.  Most basic marine radars
are probably simple pulse radars.  I still think the device will detect
them.

It will have line-of-sight range.

If your vessel has a radar and it's operating, it won't work as the radar
detector will be overwhelmed by your own radar.  On military vessels that
have both radar and radar detectors, the radar sends a blanking pulse to the
radar detector (ESM) when it transmits so the radar detector won't detect
the vessel's own radar.

These devices will not provide any kind of reliable bearing information.
The best you can hope for is an audible warning that will encourage you to
scan the horizon

I'd be interested to know if anyone has experimented with these automobile
radar detectors.  It might help to keep you awake on that next long watch.

Patrick Connor
"Cheers", Prairie 36
Fort Myers, FL

In reading some of the articles on short handed transits I got to thinking about using automobile radar detectors on boats to detect the radars on approaching commercial vessels. There used to be companies that manufactured radar detectors for boats. As I remember, these indicated a rough bearing (i.e. which quadrant) to the detected radar. Also, these were fairly pricey. I'm not suggesting using these automobile devices as a first line system on your boat. Nor should they be counted on to replace good watch standing practices. But, if you've got one in your car why not take it along on your next offshore/overnight transit and see how it does. Without any real testing, here's what I think you might expect in the way of performance: I think the frequency of commercial marine radars will fall into one of the operating bands of the automobile radar detectors (S, X, or K), i.e. it will detect them. Police radars are doppler radars. Most basic marine radars are probably simple pulse radars. I still think the device will detect them. It will have line-of-sight range. If your vessel has a radar and it's operating, it won't work as the radar detector will be overwhelmed by your own radar. On military vessels that have both radar and radar detectors, the radar sends a blanking pulse to the radar detector (ESM) when it transmits so the radar detector won't detect the vessel's own radar. These devices will not provide any kind of reliable bearing information. The best you can hope for is an audible warning that will encourage you to scan the horizon I'd be interested to know if anyone has experimented with these automobile radar detectors. It might help to keep you awake on that next long watch. Patrick Connor "Cheers", Prairie 36 Fort Myers, FL
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Scott H.E. Welch
Fri, Aug 15, 2008 2:41 PM

"Patrick And Margie Connor" marpat@embarqmail.com writes:

I'd be interested to know if anyone has experimented with these automobile
radar detectors.  It might help to keep you awake on that next long watch.

I also had a similar but slightly different idea.

I have an old Furuno 4Kw radar, and I figured that I could install it on my
car and thereby jam all of the po-lice radars in a 32 mile radius!

Sadly in Canada you need to license your radar so I was out of luck.  :-/

Scott Welch
FirstClass Product Manager
www.firstclass.com

Those who make no mistakes rarely make anything.

"Patrick And Margie Connor" <marpat@embarqmail.com> writes: >I'd be interested to know if anyone has experimented with these automobile >radar detectors. It might help to keep you awake on that next long watch. I also had a similar but slightly different idea. I have an old Furuno 4Kw radar, and I figured that I could install it on my car and thereby jam all of the po-lice radars in a 32 mile radius! Sadly in Canada you need to license your radar so I was out of luck. :-/ Scott Welch FirstClass Product Manager www.firstclass.com Those who make no mistakes rarely make anything.
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Pascal Gademer
Sat, Aug 16, 2008 2:33 AM

are you sure they work on the same bands?  there are hundreds of boats with
operating radar around miami and i've never had my detector (Val1) go off in
the car even driving on a causeway next to running boats...

pascal
miami, fl
hatteras 53MY
live cell helmcam @ www.sandbarhopper.com

are you sure they work on the same bands? there are hundreds of boats with operating radar around miami and i've never had my detector (Val1) go off in the car even driving on a causeway next to running boats... pascal miami, fl hatteras 53MY live cell helmcam @ www.sandbarhopper.com