Re: [time-nuts] HP E1938 oscillator
In a message dated 5/27/2007 07:55:58 Pacific Daylight Time,
Arnold.Tibus@gmx.de writes:
Hi Said,
private international shipment and customs is not that problematic to my
knowledge and experience, at least between the USA and Europe.
On Sat, 26 May 2007 20:39:23 EDT, SAIDJACK@aol.com wrote:
Hi guys,
ok, so there are always two approaches: you can (try to) get away with
stuff, or follow the law. As long as they don't check closely you may get away
with it... There are 100's of thousands of lawyers in the US trying to make
sense of it all.
There is no clear answer such as "well these are old, don't work anymore, I
can get them for $1, thus there should be no problem in not declaring them
according to the export control requirements."
The CCL clearly talks about items such as "space qualified oscillators", or
"stability better than 1E-011" etc. I am not trying to advise anyone if these
units fall under the CCL or not - that's up to the exporter to determine. I
don't know if these were ever space qualified for example (in which case it
would deficiently be inadvisable not to declare them correctly).
It could be as easy as finding the item categories on the CCL, finding out
that Great Britain is not on the prohibited country list (most likely it won't
be) - and entering the correct harmonized code into the export docs. Even an
export novice can do this in about 15 - 20 minutes.
In a job I had some time ago we were not even allowed to send any schematics
or firmware outside of the country without export docs. They were very
paranoid - because they got busted before!
Does anyone remember the export of the PGP source code? They published a
printed book and sent it to Europe because they were not allowed to export the
soft version of the code!
Then again will customs check? Probably not. But what if they do?
bye,
Said
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On 5/27/07, SAIDJACK@aol.com SAIDJACK@aol.com wrote:
The CCL clearly talks about items such as "space qualified oscillators", or
"stability better than 1E-011" etc. I am not trying to advise anyone if these
You mean it the Commerce Control List (CCL) talks about "space
qualified atomic frequency standards".
http://www.access.gpo.gov/bis/ear/pdf/ccl3.pdf
3A002 ...
g. Atomic frequency standards having any of the following:
g.1. Long-term stability (aging) less (better) than 1 x 10^-11/month; or
g.2. Being "space qualified".
Note: 3A002.g.1 does not control non-"space qualified" rubidium standards.
So quartz oscillators do not fall under this category. Nevermind, that
as far as I know all HP oscillators are not space-qualified.
Said,
I am sorry, I do not want to figth nor I want being involved in possible
fights, nor do I give instructions to cheat, in contrary, I did try
to help with my knowledge of european import laws and procedures
for normal goods, shipped privatly.
If necessary I can provide some documents concerned non commercial
international shipments.
I think that it is obvious for everybody, restricted items or confidential
documents cannot be shipped this way.
I was not aware of actual military or space-qualified and restricted items.
Btw. I am familiar with such procedures, I designed and tested
decades of years electronical systems and instrument-interfaces in
international projects like Spacelab, ERS1, ERS2, ENVISAT etc.
(worth up to ¬ 500E6) containing a big number of international hi-tech products...
I wish to Rick a good and wise hand for the distribution of his
electronic jewels, containing a big amount of spirit from a very successful
design engineer.
73,
Arnold, DK2WT
On Sun, 27 May 2007 16:32:22 EDT, SAIDJACK@aol.com wrote:
In a message dated 5/27/2007 07:55:58 Pacific Daylight Time,
Arnold.Tibus@gmx.de writes:
Hi Said,
private international shipment and customs is not that problematic to my
knowledge and experience, at least between the USA and Europe.
On Sat, 26 May 2007 20:39:23 EDT, SAIDJACK@aol.com wrote:
Hi guys,
ok, so there are always two approaches: you can (try to) get away with
stuff, or follow the law. As long as they don't check closely you may get away
with it... There are 100's of thousands of lawyers in the US trying to make
sense of it all.
There is no clear answer such as "well these are old, don't work anymore, I
can get them for $1, thus there should be no problem in not declaring them
according to the export control requirements."
The CCL clearly talks about items such as "space qualified oscillators", or
"stability better than 1E-011" etc. I am not trying to advise anyone if these
units fall under the CCL or not - that's up to the exporter to determine. I
don't know if these were ever space qualified for example (in which case it
would deficiently be inadvisable not to declare them correctly).
It could be as easy as finding the item categories on the CCL, finding out
that Great Britain is not on the prohibited country list (most likely it won't
be) - and entering the correct harmonized code into the export docs. Even an
export novice can do this in about 15 - 20 minutes.
In a job I had some time ago we were not even allowed to send any schematics
or firmware outside of the country without export docs. They were very
paranoid - because they got busted before!
Does anyone remember the export of the PGP source code? They published a
printed book and sent it to Europe because they were not allowed to export the
soft version of the code!
Then again will customs check? Probably not. But what if they do?
bye,
Said