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SD
Steven Dubnoff
Mon, Jan 30, 2006 5:17 AM

Some toaster ovens have a black calrod heating element while others
[Proctor Silex] has a quarts infra red heater element. My information is
that these are faster and more effective in heating foods.

I don't know about efficiency, but, be warned, the Panasonic NB-G100P
Infared toaster oven will not run on a pure sine wave inverter.  Because
of the fancy electronic controls are in there, it must be used on shore or
generator power.  Mine ended up at home -- the stone-age Black and Decker
is on the boat.

By the way, while it makes great toast, I prefer the much less expensive
Black and Decker as an oven.

Best,

Steve

Steve Dubnoff
1966 Willard Pilothouse
www.mvnereid.com
sdubnoff@circlesys.com

>Some toaster ovens have a black calrod heating element while others >[Proctor Silex] has a quarts infra red heater element. My information is >that these are faster and more effective in heating foods. I don't know about efficiency, but, be warned, the Panasonic NB-G100P Infared toaster oven will _not_ run on a pure sine wave inverter. Because of the fancy electronic controls are in there, it must be used on shore or generator power. Mine ended up at home -- the stone-age Black and Decker is on the boat. By the way, while it makes great toast, I prefer the much less expensive Black and Decker as an oven. Best, Steve Steve Dubnoff 1966 Willard Pilothouse www.mvnereid.com sdubnoff@circlesys.com
AJ
Arild Jensen
Mon, Jan 30, 2006 5:22 AM

-----Original Message-----
From: Steven Dubnoff [mailto:sdubnoff@circlesys.com]
I don't know about efficiency, but, be warned, the Panasonic NB-G100P
Infared toaster oven will not run on a pure sine wave inverter.
Because
of the fancy electronic controls are in there, it must be used on shore
or
generator power.  Mine ended up at home -- the stone-age Black and
Decker
is on the boat.

REPLY
Interesting!  That was one of the models I looked at today.
Which sine wave inverter did you test it on? The trace SW2512 isn't a
true sinewave despite claims to the contrary.

Arild

-----Original Message----- From: Steven Dubnoff [mailto:sdubnoff@circlesys.com] I don't know about efficiency, but, be warned, the Panasonic NB-G100P Infared toaster oven will _not_ run on a pure sine wave inverter. Because of the fancy electronic controls are in there, it must be used on shore or generator power. Mine ended up at home -- the stone-age Black and Decker is on the boat. REPLY Interesting! That was one of the models I looked at today. Which sine wave inverter did you test it on? The trace SW2512 isn't a true sinewave despite claims to the contrary. Arild
TN
Terrence Neill
Mon, Jan 30, 2006 5:49 AM

Rob;
I recognize the symptoms -  but why not run the freezer and keep her
happy? We have a Heart 1500 inverter and keep both a small AC
refrigerator and a small chest-type AC freezer running continuously.
I mean they run 24/7/365 except for defrosting.
We  also have the usual TV and music system, plus an electric hot
water heater element (which is used when the Webasto hasn't been
running recently), and we always use a toaster at breakfast, to say
nothing of the hair dryers and other miscellaneous appliances and tools.
I say go ahead and load up the system. It's only 1500 watts anyway.
If you find you have to charge the batteries more often you'll either
do it, or mange the appliances differently. They're your servants,
and you've paid their wages. Use 'em.
Terry
Tamarack

On Jan 29, 2006, at 9:15 PM, Rob Grant wrote:

I was thinking that we'd just go for one and try it, but the boss is
saying now that if she had a toaster oven - then she'd need to run the
freezer to keep all the stuff she wanted to cook in the toaster oven
frozen, so we shouldn't get one ....sigh....  I think I'll just
pick one
up and see what happens.

Rob; I recognize the symptoms - but why not run the freezer and keep her happy? We have a Heart 1500 inverter and keep both a small AC refrigerator and a small chest-type AC freezer running continuously. I mean they run 24/7/365 except for defrosting. We also have the usual TV and music system, plus an electric hot water heater element (which is used when the Webasto hasn't been running recently), and we always use a toaster at breakfast, to say nothing of the hair dryers and other miscellaneous appliances and tools. I say go ahead and load up the system. It's only 1500 watts anyway. If you find you have to charge the batteries more often you'll either do it, or mange the appliances differently. They're your servants, and you've paid their wages. Use 'em. Terry Tamarack On Jan 29, 2006, at 9:15 PM, Rob Grant wrote: > I was thinking that we'd just go for one and try it, but the boss is > saying now that if she had a toaster oven - then she'd need to run the > freezer to keep all the stuff she wanted to cook in the toaster oven > frozen, so we shouldn't get one ....sigh.... I think I'll just > pick one > up and see what happens.
AJ
Arild Jensen
Mon, Jan 30, 2006 6:36 AM

The following is not directed at the ardent minimalist that prefers a
dinner consisting of a can of beans heated over a hiker's sterno stove
hung from an overhead beam.
Trawlerites tend to be people who enjoy a certain measure of creature
comfort as they make their way at leisurely hull speeds instead of a
bone jarring 25 knots in five foot seas.

Understandably some people are not happy with propane on board. So lets
not get into that thread at this time. Cooking while under way can be
problematic regardless of what heat source is used.

The new generation of electric counter top cooking appliances are much
better because they form a nearly closed container for the hot food
while cooking. Slow cookers can prepare a large quantity of soup, chili
or stew  while secured by a bungee cord which incidentally keeps the pot
secured to the counter as well. In fact you can probably sit it in the
sink if you prefer. Slow cookers typically have a low wattage element
which can easily be powered by even a modest sized inverter. If you
prepare the ingredients before getting under way the meal will be ready
by the time you arrive. Most stock alternators can provide enough charge
current to power the inverter as long as the engine is spinning.

Toaster ovens, and even those electric grills with a lid that close clam
shell fashion over a steak, hamburger or piece of chicken, contain the
food on a pitching boat under way.

While shopping for counter top appliances I was surprised at the number
of specialized cooking devices now available. Almost all of them provide
a really secure hold of the hot foodstuff. Sandwich makers, toasted
pannini, waffle makers and grilles come in every imaginable size from a
single sandwich to feeding a whole crowd.

The advantage being these devices concentrate the heat right into the
food without wasting a lot of heat on empty space surrounding the
appliance and the food. America's love affair with BBQ grilled
hamburgers and steaks extends to the look of the grille seared into the
meat surface. Health conscious recipes that advice not to eat fat
saturated meats  and choose grilling over pan fried, means that a grille
that allows the fat to run off is preferred. The latest generation of
electrical grills  duplicate this by having raised ribs which hold and
sear the meat while allowing the fat to run off into a catch basin
container..

You can get every imaginable type of cooker, bread maker, drink
fabricator or juicer that plugs into a 120V 15A outlet. Best of all,
when not in use, you can pack it away thus freeing up the limited
counter space for other things.
Obviously, it isn't possible to have a full scale gourmet galley on
board a limited size boat.
However it doesn't mean you can't serve gourmet meals.

The secret being you buy food items that do not require refrigeration
prior to opening.
Spices and condiments do not require refrigeration. Many meats can be
bought canned or vacuum packed.

We recently picked up a cook book titled Three or four ingredient
cookbook by Jenny White and Joanne Farrow. Simple meals but very
appealing. Just the ting for boat use.

Cheers

Arild

The following is not directed at the ardent minimalist that prefers a dinner consisting of a can of beans heated over a hiker's sterno stove hung from an overhead beam. Trawlerites tend to be people who enjoy a certain measure of creature comfort as they make their way at leisurely hull speeds instead of a bone jarring 25 knots in five foot seas. Understandably some people are not happy with propane on board. So lets not get into that thread at this time. Cooking while under way can be problematic regardless of what heat source is used. The new generation of electric counter top cooking appliances are much better because they form a nearly closed container for the hot food while cooking. Slow cookers can prepare a large quantity of soup, chili or stew while secured by a bungee cord which incidentally keeps the pot secured to the counter as well. In fact you can probably sit it in the sink if you prefer. Slow cookers typically have a low wattage element which can easily be powered by even a modest sized inverter. If you prepare the ingredients before getting under way the meal will be ready by the time you arrive. Most stock alternators can provide enough charge current to power the inverter as long as the engine is spinning. Toaster ovens, and even those electric grills with a lid that close clam shell fashion over a steak, hamburger or piece of chicken, contain the food on a pitching boat under way. While shopping for counter top appliances I was surprised at the number of specialized cooking devices now available. Almost all of them provide a really secure hold of the hot foodstuff. Sandwich makers, toasted pannini, waffle makers and grilles come in every imaginable size from a single sandwich to feeding a whole crowd. The advantage being these devices concentrate the heat right into the food without wasting a lot of heat on empty space surrounding the appliance and the food. America's love affair with BBQ grilled hamburgers and steaks extends to the look of the grille seared into the meat surface. Health conscious recipes that advice not to eat fat saturated meats and choose grilling over pan fried, means that a grille that allows the fat to run off is preferred. The latest generation of electrical grills duplicate this by having raised ribs which hold and sear the meat while allowing the fat to run off into a catch basin container.. You can get every imaginable type of cooker, bread maker, drink fabricator or juicer that plugs into a 120V 15A outlet. Best of all, when not in use, you can pack it away thus freeing up the limited counter space for other things. Obviously, it isn't possible to have a full scale gourmet galley on board a limited size boat. However it doesn't mean you can't serve gourmet meals. The secret being you buy food items that do not require refrigeration prior to opening. Spices and condiments do not require refrigeration. Many meats can be bought canned or vacuum packed. We recently picked up a cook book titled Three or four ingredient cookbook by Jenny White and Joanne Farrow. Simple meals but very appealing. Just the ting for boat use. Cheers Arild
PG
Pascal Gademer
Mon, Jan 30, 2006 2:29 PM

among of the most useful cooking  appliances i have are te Lean Mean Grill
machine which comes in different sizes. We have a big one with 2 lids,
digital temp control and top compartment to warm bread.

the other one, is a non stick hamilton beach electric gridle.  it's about
10x20" and great for breakfast ! eggs, potatoes, bacon, pancakes, etc....
Kids love pancakes (well, me too...) and it's nice to be able to do 6
opancakes at a time...

Best of all, both run on the inverter (freedom 30)...  they do pull quite a
few amps judging by the remote's LEDs but  since they are not on for long,
it barealy dents the reserve in the 8 golf carts batteries.

no more firing up the genny for breakfast....

pascal
miami, fl
70 hatteras 53MY

among of the most useful cooking appliances i have are te Lean Mean Grill machine which comes in different sizes. We have a big one with 2 lids, digital temp control and top compartment to warm bread. the other one, is a non stick hamilton beach electric gridle. it's about 10x20" and great for breakfast ! eggs, potatoes, bacon, pancakes, etc.... Kids love pancakes (well, me too...) and it's nice to be able to do 6 opancakes at a time... Best of all, both run on the inverter (freedom 30)... they do pull quite a few amps judging by the remote's LEDs but since they are not on for long, it barealy dents the reserve in the 8 golf carts batteries. no more firing up the genny for breakfast.... pascal miami, fl 70 hatteras 53MY
AJ
Arild Jensen
Mon, Jan 30, 2006 3:02 PM

-----Original Message-----
From: Pascal Gademer

among  the most useful cooking  appliances i have are the Lean Mean
Grill
machine which comes in different sizes. We have a big one with 2 lids,
digital temp control and top compartment to warm bread.

REPLY
My local Wal-Mart had these for sale as a bundled deal. You get the
grill plus a folding stand so it works like an outdoor BBQ.
Wife wanted one for going camping, in wilderness camps ... no less!
Her rationale was it does bacon and pancakes which she has trouble doing
on the regular gas BBQ.
Guess I'm installing an inverter in the truck camper. <grin>

Glad to know the timer on the George Forman grills work okay on
inverters.

-----Original Message----- From: Pascal Gademer among the most useful cooking appliances i have are the Lean Mean Grill machine which comes in different sizes. We have a big one with 2 lids, digital temp control and top compartment to warm bread. REPLY My local Wal-Mart had these for sale as a bundled deal. You get the grill plus a folding stand so it works like an outdoor BBQ. Wife wanted one for going camping, in wilderness camps ... no less! Her rationale was it does bacon and pancakes which she has trouble doing on the regular gas BBQ. Guess I'm installing an inverter in the truck camper. <grin> Glad to know the timer on the George Forman grills work okay on inverters.
PG
Pascal Gademer
Mon, Jan 30, 2006 3:27 PM

the electronic control on the grill is not a timer but digital temp control.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Arild Jensen" elnav@telus.net

Glad to know the timer on the George Forman grills work okay on
inverters.

the electronic control on the grill is not a timer but digital temp control. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Arild Jensen" <elnav@telus.net> > > Glad to know the timer on the George Forman grills work okay on > inverters.
JA
Jim Ague
Mon, Jan 30, 2006 3:37 PM

Rita's, mine too, favorite underway cooking device is a 12VDC slow cooker.
Marine and camping stores sell them for about $30. Typically they are
6"x6"x12" (from memory), shaped like a black, smallish tackle or tool box.
Because of insulation the internal volume can prepare a hot meal for the two
of us. I have seen her do hotdogs, stews, baked potatoes, corn bread,
leftovers, ... .

Although it could be used at anchor without the generator or inverter, it is
a great device underway when you have time and "free" 12VDC power.

-- Jim

Jim & Rita Ague
M/V Derreen, Monk 36
Rita's, mine too, favorite underway cooking device is a 12VDC slow cooker. Marine and camping stores sell them for about $30. Typically they are 6"x6"x12" (from memory), shaped like a black, smallish tackle or tool box. Because of insulation the internal volume can prepare a hot meal for the two of us. I have seen her do hotdogs, stews, baked potatoes, corn bread, leftovers, ... . Although it could be used at anchor without the generator or inverter, it is a great device underway when you have time and "free" 12VDC power. -- Jim ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Jim & Rita Ague M/V Derreen, Monk 36 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~