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HP8568B firware eproms anyone ?

PK
Poul-Henning Kamp
Wed, Oct 18, 2006 9:48 PM

My HP8568B has started to do weird things, and as far as I can find
out, the A15U37 Eprom is hosed.

According to the label, the HP partno for the contents is 85660-80080

The chip has a HP partno of 1818-3329 but looks like a regular
AMD27256 Eprom to me.

Anybody out there with a 8568B who are also able to email me the
contents of the four eproms on A15 ?

I'm not sure if the firmware of the 8566B is different from the 8568B,
anyone know ?

I think this is the second report of eprom failures I recall on the
list, should we start to make a EEPROM library for futures sake ?

Poul-Henning

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My HP8568B has started to do weird things, and as far as I can find out, the A15U37 Eprom is hosed. According to the label, the HP partno for the contents is 85660-80080 The chip has a HP partno of 1818-3329 but looks like a regular AMD27256 Eprom to me. Anybody out there with a 8568B who are also able to email me the contents of the four eproms on A15 ? I'm not sure if the firmware of the 8566B is different from the 8568B, anyone know ? I think this is the second report of eprom failures I recall on the list, should we start to make a EEPROM library for futures sake ? Poul-Henning -- Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX since Zilog Zeus 3.20 phk@FreeBSD.ORG | TCP/IP since RFC 956 FreeBSD committer | BSD since 4.3-tahoe Never attribute to malice what can adequately be explained by incompetence.
JA
John Ackermann N8UR
Wed, Oct 18, 2006 9:53 PM

Poul-Henning Kamp said the following on 10/18/2006 05:48 PM:

I'm not sure if the firmware of the 8566B is different from the 8568B,
anyone know ?

I'm pretty sure that the '66 firmware is different than the '68, or I'd
offer to copy mine for you.

I think this is the second report of eprom failures I recall on the
list, should we start to make a EEPROM library for futures sake ?

That's not a bad idea, though it does unfortunately raise copyright
concerns...

John

Poul-Henning Kamp said the following on 10/18/2006 05:48 PM: > I'm not sure if the firmware of the 8566B is different from the 8568B, > anyone know ? I'm pretty sure that the '66 firmware is different than the '68, or I'd offer to copy mine for you. > I think this is the second report of eprom failures I recall on the > list, should we start to make a EEPROM library for futures sake ? That's not a bad idea, though it does unfortunately raise copyright concerns... John
PK
Poul-Henning Kamp
Wed, Oct 18, 2006 10:07 PM

In message 4536A251.4090009@febo.com, John Ackermann N8UR writes:

Poul-Henning Kamp said the following on 10/18/2006 05:48 PM:

I'm not sure if the firmware of the 8566B is different from the 8568B,
anyone know ?

I'm pretty sure that the '66 firmware is different than the '68, or I'd
offer to copy mine for you.

I would expect so, but on the other hand wouldn't be surprised if they
were the same.

I think this is the second report of eprom failures I recall on the
list, should we start to make a EEPROM library for futures sake ?

That's not a bad idea, though it does unfortunately raise copyright
concerns...

Not as long as the firmware is used only in original HP equipment.

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In message <4536A251.4090009@febo.com>, John Ackermann N8UR writes: >Poul-Henning Kamp said the following on 10/18/2006 05:48 PM: > >> I'm not sure if the firmware of the 8566B is different from the 8568B, >> anyone know ? > >I'm pretty sure that the '66 firmware is different than the '68, or I'd >offer to copy mine for you. I would expect so, but on the other hand wouldn't be surprised if they were the same. >> I think this is the second report of eprom failures I recall on the >> list, should we start to make a EEPROM library for futures sake ? > >That's not a bad idea, though it does unfortunately raise copyright >concerns... Not as long as the firmware is used only in original HP equipment. -- Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX since Zilog Zeus 3.20 phk@FreeBSD.ORG | TCP/IP since RFC 956 FreeBSD committer | BSD since 4.3-tahoe Never attribute to malice what can adequately be explained by incompetence.
DI
David I. Emery
Wed, Oct 18, 2006 10:10 PM

On Wed, Oct 18, 2006 at 05:53:21PM -0400, John Ackermann N8UR wrote:

Poul-Henning Kamp said the following on 10/18/2006 05:48 PM:

I'm not sure if the firmware of the 8566B is different from the 8568B,
anyone know ?

I'm pretty sure that the '66 firmware is different than the '68, or I'd
offer to copy mine for you.

I think this is the second report of eprom failures I recall on the
list, should we start to make a EEPROM library for futures sake ?

That's not a bad idea, though it does unfortunately raise copyright
concerns...

There is such a library maintained by Bruce Lane at Bluefeather

Technologies.  He only archives firmware of instruments no longer
supported (off support), and I believe he has at least some level of
permission from the test gear companies.

You might try the hp_agilent_equipment list at yahoo - this has

quite an active group of people on it who have 8566/8568s and a couple
who I think may have the firmware you want already available as a file.

Of course *I* am looking for Austron 2200A firmware for the same

reason...

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celebration of what could have been, but wasn't and is not to be now either."

On Wed, Oct 18, 2006 at 05:53:21PM -0400, John Ackermann N8UR wrote: > Poul-Henning Kamp said the following on 10/18/2006 05:48 PM: > > > I'm not sure if the firmware of the 8566B is different from the 8568B, > > anyone know ? > > I'm pretty sure that the '66 firmware is different than the '68, or I'd > offer to copy mine for you. > > > I think this is the second report of eprom failures I recall on the > > list, should we start to make a EEPROM library for futures sake ? > > That's not a bad idea, though it does unfortunately raise copyright > concerns... There is such a library maintained by Bruce Lane at Bluefeather Technologies. He only archives firmware of instruments no longer supported (off support), and I believe he has at least some level of permission from the test gear companies. You might try the hp_agilent_equipment list at yahoo - this has quite an active group of people on it who have 8566/8568s and a couple who I think may have the firmware you want already available as a file. Of course *I* am looking for Austron 2200A firmware for the same reason... -- Dave Emery N1PRE, die@dieconsulting.com DIE Consulting, Weston, Mass 02493 "An empty zombie mind with a forlorn barely readable weatherbeaten 'For Rent' sign still vainly flapping outside on the weed encrusted pole - in celebration of what could have been, but wasn't and is not to be now either."
DY
Daun Yeagley
Wed, Oct 18, 2006 10:11 PM

I would tend to agree on the copyright concerns.  I'm retired from HP/Agilent,
and happen to know the guys that do the support on them, so I just forwarded
these messages to one of them.  Perhaps we can get a solid "OK", or at least one
with such strings attached!

Daun
N8ASB

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Subject: Re: [time-nuts] HP8568B firware eproms anyone ?

In message 4536A251.4090009@febo.com, John Ackermann N8UR writes:

Poul-Henning Kamp said the following on 10/18/2006 05:48 PM:

I'm not sure if the firmware of the 8566B is different from the
8568B, anyone know ?

I'm pretty sure that the '66 firmware is different than the '68, or I'd
offer to copy mine for you.

I would expect so, but on the other hand wouldn't be surprised if they were the
same.

I think this is the second report of eprom failures I recall on the
list, should we start to make a EEPROM library for futures sake ?

That's not a bad idea, though it does unfortunately raise copyright
concerns...

Not as long as the firmware is used only in original HP equipment.

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I would tend to agree on the copyright concerns. I'm retired from HP/Agilent, and happen to know the guys that do the support on them, so I just forwarded these messages to one of them. Perhaps we can get a solid "OK", or at least one with such strings attached! Daun N8ASB -----Original Message----- From: time-nuts-bounces@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-bounces@febo.com] On Behalf Of Poul-Henning Kamp Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2006 6:07 PM To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement Subject: Re: [time-nuts] HP8568B firware eproms anyone ? In message <4536A251.4090009@febo.com>, John Ackermann N8UR writes: >Poul-Henning Kamp said the following on 10/18/2006 05:48 PM: > >> I'm not sure if the firmware of the 8566B is different from the >> 8568B, anyone know ? > >I'm pretty sure that the '66 firmware is different than the '68, or I'd >offer to copy mine for you. I would expect so, but on the other hand wouldn't be surprised if they were the same. >> I think this is the second report of eprom failures I recall on the >> list, should we start to make a EEPROM library for futures sake ? > >That's not a bad idea, though it does unfortunately raise copyright >concerns... Not as long as the firmware is used only in original HP equipment. -- Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX since Zilog Zeus 3.20 phk@FreeBSD.ORG | TCP/IP since RFC 956 FreeBSD committer | BSD since 4.3-tahoe Never attribute to malice what can adequately be explained by incompetence. _______________________________________________ time-nuts mailing list time-nuts@febo.com https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts
RK
Rick Karlquist
Wed, Oct 18, 2006 10:21 PM

I work for Agilent.  In my lab I have both an 8568B and an
8566B.  How would I read out the contents of the eproms?
I don't know much about eproms.

I looked up that part number; it is an AMD27C256-200DC.
There are a bunch of reliability reports on it, so that
sort of confirms that yours may likely have failed.

Rick Karlquist

Poul-Henning Kamp wrote:

My HP8568B has started to do weird things, and as far as I can find
out, the A15U37 Eprom is hosed.

According to the label, the HP partno for the contents is 85660-80080

The chip has a HP partno of 1818-3329 but looks like a regular
AMD27256 Eprom to me.

Anybody out there with a 8568B who are also able to email me the
contents of the four eproms on A15 ?

I'm not sure if the firmware of the 8566B is different from the 8568B,
anyone know ?

I think this is the second report of eprom failures I recall on the
list, should we start to make a EEPROM library for futures sake ?

Poul-Henning

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I work for Agilent. In my lab I have both an 8568B and an 8566B. How would I read out the contents of the eproms? I don't know much about eproms. I looked up that part number; it is an AMD27C256-200DC. There are a bunch of reliability reports on it, so that sort of confirms that yours may likely have failed. Rick Karlquist Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: > > My HP8568B has started to do weird things, and as far as I can find > out, the A15U37 Eprom is hosed. > > According to the label, the HP partno for the contents is 85660-80080 > > The chip has a HP partno of 1818-3329 but looks like a regular > AMD27256 Eprom to me. > > Anybody out there with a 8568B who are also able to email me the > contents of the four eproms on A15 ? > > I'm not sure if the firmware of the 8566B is different from the 8568B, > anyone know ? > > I think this is the second report of eprom failures I recall on the > list, should we start to make a EEPROM library for futures sake ? > > Poul-Henning > > > -- > Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX since Zilog Zeus 3.20 > phk@FreeBSD.ORG | TCP/IP since RFC 956 > FreeBSD committer | BSD since 4.3-tahoe > Never attribute to malice what can adequately be explained by > incompetence. > > _______________________________________________ > time-nuts mailing list > time-nuts@febo.com > https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts > >
MD
Magnus Danielson
Wed, Oct 18, 2006 10:26 PM

From: "Rick Karlquist" richard@karlquist.com
Subject: Re: [time-nuts] HP8568B firware eproms anyone ?
Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2006 15:21:27 -0700 (PDT)
Message-ID: 6798.192.25.240.225.1161210087.squirrel@webmail.sonic.net

I work for Agilent.  In my lab I have both an 8568B and an
8566B.  How would I read out the contents of the eproms?
I don't know much about eproms.

I looked up that part number; it is an AMD27C256-200DC.
There are a bunch of reliability reports on it, so that
sort of confirms that yours may likely have failed.

Any EPROM programmer should be able to read it out. I usually store it in
HEX (aka Intel HEX format) and BIN (aka Binary) formats. While you are at it,
I would backup all the EPROMs. Maybe we could have Agilent put them up on
their web for support services.

Cheers,
Magnus

From: "Rick Karlquist" <richard@karlquist.com> Subject: Re: [time-nuts] HP8568B firware eproms anyone ? Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2006 15:21:27 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <6798.192.25.240.225.1161210087.squirrel@webmail.sonic.net> > I work for Agilent. In my lab I have both an 8568B and an > 8566B. How would I read out the contents of the eproms? > I don't know much about eproms. > > I looked up that part number; it is an AMD27C256-200DC. > There are a bunch of reliability reports on it, so that > sort of confirms that yours may likely have failed. Any EPROM programmer should be able to read it out. I usually store it in HEX (aka Intel HEX format) and BIN (aka Binary) formats. While you are at it, I would backup all the EPROMs. Maybe we could have Agilent put them up on their web for support services. Cheers, Magnus
PK
Poul-Henning Kamp
Wed, Oct 18, 2006 10:27 PM

In message 6798.192.25.240.225.1161210087.squirrel@webmail.sonic.net, "Rick K
arlquist" writes:

Hi Rick,

I'll try the ones at the bluefeather archive first, if that fails
I may get back to you.

Poul-Henning

I work for Agilent.  In my lab I have both an 8568B and an
8566B.  How would I read out the contents of the eproms?
I don't know much about eproms.

I looked up that part number; it is an AMD27C256-200DC.
There are a bunch of reliability reports on it, so that
sort of confirms that yours may likely have failed.

Rick Karlquist

Poul-Henning Kamp wrote:

My HP8568B has started to do weird things, and as far as I can find
out, the A15U37 Eprom is hosed.

According to the label, the HP partno for the contents is 85660-80080

The chip has a HP partno of 1818-3329 but looks like a regular
AMD27256 Eprom to me.

Anybody out there with a 8568B who are also able to email me the
contents of the four eproms on A15 ?

I'm not sure if the firmware of the 8566B is different from the 8568B,
anyone know ?

I think this is the second report of eprom failures I recall on the
list, should we start to make a EEPROM library for futures sake ?

Poul-Henning

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In message <6798.192.25.240.225.1161210087.squirrel@webmail.sonic.net>, "Rick K arlquist" writes: Hi Rick, I'll try the ones at the bluefeather archive first, if that fails I may get back to you. Poul-Henning >I work for Agilent. In my lab I have both an 8568B and an >8566B. How would I read out the contents of the eproms? >I don't know much about eproms. > >I looked up that part number; it is an AMD27C256-200DC. >There are a bunch of reliability reports on it, so that >sort of confirms that yours may likely have failed. > >Rick Karlquist > > > >Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: >> >> My HP8568B has started to do weird things, and as far as I can find >> out, the A15U37 Eprom is hosed. >> >> According to the label, the HP partno for the contents is 85660-80080 >> >> The chip has a HP partno of 1818-3329 but looks like a regular >> AMD27256 Eprom to me. >> >> Anybody out there with a 8568B who are also able to email me the >> contents of the four eproms on A15 ? >> >> I'm not sure if the firmware of the 8566B is different from the 8568B, >> anyone know ? >> >> I think this is the second report of eprom failures I recall on the >> list, should we start to make a EEPROM library for futures sake ? >> >> Poul-Henning >> >> >> -- >> Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX since Zilog Zeus 3.20 >> phk@FreeBSD.ORG | TCP/IP since RFC 956 >> FreeBSD committer | BSD since 4.3-tahoe >> Never attribute to malice what can adequately be explained by >> incompetence. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> time-nuts mailing list >> time-nuts@febo.com >> https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts >> >> > > > >_______________________________________________ >time-nuts mailing list >time-nuts@febo.com >https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts > -- Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX since Zilog Zeus 3.20 phk@FreeBSD.ORG | TCP/IP since RFC 956 FreeBSD committer | BSD since 4.3-tahoe Never attribute to malice what can adequately be explained by incompetence.
DJ
Didier Juges
Thu, Oct 19, 2006 3:33 AM

John Miles (jmiles@pop.net) on hp_agilent_equipment (yahoo) has a lot of
experience with the 8568 and 8566 analyzers and is probably your best
opportunity to find what you need. I know he had an 8568 which he sold,
but not before copying the EPROMs.

Didier KO4BB

Poul-Henning Kamp wrote:

My HP8568B has started to do weird things, and as far as I can find
out, the A15U37 Eprom is hosed.

According to the label, the HP partno for the contents is 85660-80080

The chip has a HP partno of 1818-3329 but looks like a regular
AMD27256 Eprom to me.

Anybody out there with a 8568B who are also able to email me the
contents of the four eproms on A15 ?

I'm not sure if the firmware of the 8566B is different from the 8568B,
anyone know ?

I think this is the second report of eprom failures I recall on the
list, should we start to make a EEPROM library for futures sake ?

Poul-Henning

John Miles (jmiles@pop.net) on hp_agilent_equipment (yahoo) has a lot of experience with the 8568 and 8566 analyzers and is probably your best opportunity to find what you need. I know he had an 8568 which he sold, but not before copying the EPROMs. Didier KO4BB Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: > My HP8568B has started to do weird things, and as far as I can find > out, the A15U37 Eprom is hosed. > > According to the label, the HP partno for the contents is 85660-80080 > > The chip has a HP partno of 1818-3329 but looks like a regular > AMD27256 Eprom to me. > > Anybody out there with a 8568B who are also able to email me the > contents of the four eproms on A15 ? > > I'm not sure if the firmware of the 8566B is different from the 8568B, > anyone know ? > > I think this is the second report of eprom failures I recall on the > list, should we start to make a EEPROM library for futures sake ? > > Poul-Henning > > >