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Hal Murray
Thu, Aug 20, 2009 5:37 AM

Can someone please put me out of my misery and tell me what these
stand for?

You must not be very miserable.  Google usually does a good job of answering
that type of question.  There are a couple of sites that collect acronyms and
several sites that collect slang.

In this case, the top pair of results are good hits and down near the bottom
of the first page is the Wikipedia page that covers it:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hair_(unit_of_measurement)

Sometimes it helps to add acronym or slang to the search string.

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> Can someone please put me out of my misery and tell me what these > stand for? You must not be very miserable. Google usually does a good job of answering that type of question. There are a couple of sites that collect acronyms and several sites that collect slang. In this case, the top pair of results are good hits and down near the bottom of the first page is the Wikipedia page that covers it: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hair_(unit_of_measurement) Sometimes it helps to add acronym or slang to the search string. -- These are my opinions, not necessarily my employer's. I hate spam.
JP
Jim Palfreyman
Thu, Aug 20, 2009 6:41 AM

Did the google thing. Got Royal Children's Hospital. Found nothing in
the first two pages. Gave up. Emailed time-nuts. Of course it was on
the third page.

Never thought to type it into wikipedia...

Thanks to all who have helped!

Jim

2009/8/20 Hal Murray hmurray@megapathdsl.net:

Can someone please put me out of my misery and tell me what these
stand for?

You must not be very miserable.  Google usually does a good job of answering
that type of question.  There are a couple of sites that collect acronyms and
several sites that collect slang.

In this case, the top pair of results are good hits and down near the bottom
of the first page is the Wikipedia page that covers it:
 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hair_(unit_of_measurement)

Sometimes it helps to add acronym or slang to the search string.

--
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Did the google thing. Got Royal Children's Hospital. Found nothing in the first two pages. Gave up. Emailed time-nuts. Of course it was on the third page. Never thought to type it into wikipedia... Thanks to all who have helped! Jim 2009/8/20 Hal Murray <hmurray@megapathdsl.net>: > >> Can someone please put me out of my misery and tell me what these >> stand for? > > You must not be very miserable.  Google usually does a good job of answering > that type of question.  There are a couple of sites that collect acronyms and > several sites that collect slang. > > In this case, the top pair of results are good hits and down near the bottom > of the first page is the Wikipedia page that covers it: >  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hair_(unit_of_measurement) > > Sometimes it helps to add acronym or slang to the search string. > > > > > -- > These are my opinions, not necessarily my employer's.  I hate spam. > > > > > _______________________________________________ > time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com > To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts > and follow the instructions there. >
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Bob Martinson
Thu, Aug 20, 2009 6:52 AM

Strange, its the first item on my Google of "rch"  note, no caps & no
quotes.

REM

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To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement
Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Obscure terms

Did the google thing. Got Royal Children's Hospital. Found nothing in
the first two pages. Gave up. Emailed time-nuts. Of course it was on
the third page.

Never thought to type it into wikipedia...

Thanks to all who have helped!

Jim

2009/8/20 Hal Murray hmurray@megapathdsl.net:

Can someone please put me out of my misery and tell me what these
stand for?

You must not be very miserable.  Google usually does a good job of

answering

that type of question.  There are a couple of sites that collect acronyms

and

several sites that collect slang.

In this case, the top pair of results are good hits and down near the

bottom

of the first page is the Wikipedia page that covers it:
 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hair_(unit_of_measurement)

Sometimes it helps to add acronym or slang to the search string.

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Strange, its the first item on my Google of "rch" note, no caps & no quotes. REM -----Original Message----- From: time-nuts-bounces@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-bounces@febo.com]On Behalf Of Jim Palfreyman Sent: Thursday, August 20, 2009 2:42 AM To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Obscure terms Did the google thing. Got Royal Children's Hospital. Found nothing in the first two pages. Gave up. Emailed time-nuts. Of course it was on the third page. Never thought to type it into wikipedia... Thanks to all who have helped! Jim 2009/8/20 Hal Murray <hmurray@megapathdsl.net>: > >> Can someone please put me out of my misery and tell me what these >> stand for? > > You must not be very miserable.  Google usually does a good job of answering > that type of question.  There are a couple of sites that collect acronyms and > several sites that collect slang. > > In this case, the top pair of results are good hits and down near the bottom > of the first page is the Wikipedia page that covers it: >  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hair_(unit_of_measurement) > > Sometimes it helps to add acronym or slang to the search string. > > > > > -- > These are my opinions, not necessarily my employer's.  I hate spam. > > > > > _______________________________________________ > time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com > To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts > and follow the instructions there. > _______________________________________________ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.392 / Virus Database: 270.13.61/2313 - Release Date: 08/19/09 18:06:00
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Jim Palfreyman
Thu, Aug 20, 2009 6:54 AM

Maybe google australia does it differently?

2009/8/20 Bob Martinson REMartinson@rcn.com:

Strange, its the first item on my Google of "rch"  note, no caps & no
quotes.

REM

-----Original Message-----
From: time-nuts-bounces@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-bounces@febo.com]On
Behalf Of Jim Palfreyman
Sent: Thursday, August 20, 2009 2:42 AM
To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement
Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Obscure terms

Did the google thing. Got Royal Children's Hospital. Found nothing in
the first two pages. Gave up. Emailed time-nuts. Of course it was on
the third page.

Never thought to type it into wikipedia...

Thanks to all who have helped!

Jim

2009/8/20 Hal Murray hmurray@megapathdsl.net:

Can someone please put me out of my misery and tell me what these
stand for?

You must not be very miserable.  Google usually does a good job of

answering

that type of question.  There are a couple of sites that collect acronyms

and

several sites that collect slang.

In this case, the top pair of results are good hits and down near the

bottom

of the first page is the Wikipedia page that covers it:
 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hair_(unit_of_measurement)

Sometimes it helps to add acronym or slang to the search string.

--
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Maybe google australia does it differently? 2009/8/20 Bob Martinson <REMartinson@rcn.com>: > Strange, its the first item on my Google of "rch"  note, no caps & no > quotes. > > > REM > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: time-nuts-bounces@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-bounces@febo.com]On > Behalf Of Jim Palfreyman > Sent: Thursday, August 20, 2009 2:42 AM > To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement > Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Obscure terms > > > Did the google thing. Got Royal Children's Hospital. Found nothing in > the first two pages. Gave up. Emailed time-nuts. Of course it was on > the third page. > > Never thought to type it into wikipedia... > > Thanks to all who have helped! > > Jim > > 2009/8/20 Hal Murray <hmurray@megapathdsl.net>: >> >>> Can someone please put me out of my misery and tell me what these >>> stand for? >> >> You must not be very miserable.  Google usually does a good job of > answering >> that type of question.  There are a couple of sites that collect acronyms > and >> several sites that collect slang. >> >> In this case, the top pair of results are good hits and down near the > bottom >> of the first page is the Wikipedia page that covers it: >>  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hair_(unit_of_measurement) >> >> Sometimes it helps to add acronym or slang to the search string. >> >> >> >> >> -- >> These are my opinions, not necessarily my employer's.  I hate spam. >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com >> To unsubscribe, go to > https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts >> and follow the instructions there. >> > > _______________________________________________ > time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com > To unsubscribe, go to > https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts > and follow the instructions there. > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.5.392 / Virus Database: 270.13.61/2313 - Release Date: 08/19/09 > 18:06:00 > > > _______________________________________________ > time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com > To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts > and follow the instructions there. >
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Rex
Thu, Aug 20, 2009 7:21 AM

Hal Murray wrote:

Can someone please put me out of my misery and tell me what these
stand for?

You must not be very miserable.  Google usually does a good job of answering
that type of question.  There are a couple of sites that collect acronyms and
several sites that collect slang.

In this case, the top pair of results are good hits and down near the bottom
of the first page is the Wikipedia page that covers it:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hair_(unit_of_measurement)

Sometimes it helps to add acronym or slang to the search string.

Yep, as usual Google is fantastic for this task. Asking, 'RCH
definition', I found out this:

Royal Canadian Hussars
Recognized Clearing House
Reference Change House
RCH -- Chile (international vehicle ID)
Railway Convalescent Home
Redundancy Check
Remote Control Head
renal compensatory hypertrophy  (my clear favorite -- I'll try to
remember this if ever asked)
reproductive and child health
residential care home
Residential Children's Home
right cerebral hemisphere
Royal Children's Hospital
Small unit of measurement

Huh, what? That last one sounds right, so I followed the link and
learned this:

What is RCH?
One of the definitions of RCH is "Small unit of measurement".

Very informative! So much more than the original page with just, "Small
unit of measurement." One of the definitions of redundancy is "Being
redundant."

I know... As you have shown, the dedicated googler can eventually
sometimes find the desired relevant information. Especially if the
answer is already known.

As with most www experiences, sometimes what you find by accident is
more interesting than what you wanted, but there is no guarantee that it
will be easy, at all, to find what you really wanted.

There has been an ad on US tv recently for a competing search engine.
Real people give random orthogonal answers to simple questions,
suggesting the google experience. Marketing genius. But I never used the
new one. Let's try the same search on Bing.

Nope. The same random stuff, but it gets more random even faster than
google.

Sorry for yet another digression, but it was fun trying the experiment
and venting about seeing what I expected to see.

Hal Murray wrote: >>Can someone please put me out of my misery and tell me what these >>stand for? >> >> > >You must not be very miserable. Google usually does a good job of answering >that type of question. There are a couple of sites that collect acronyms and >several sites that collect slang. > >In this case, the top pair of results are good hits and down near the bottom >of the first page is the Wikipedia page that covers it: > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hair_(unit_of_measurement) > >Sometimes it helps to add acronym or slang to the search string. > > > > Yep, as usual Google is fantastic for this task. Asking, 'RCH definition', I found out this: Royal Canadian Hussars Recognized Clearing House Reference Change House RCH -- Chile (international vehicle ID) Railway Convalescent Home Redundancy Check Remote Control Head renal compensatory hypertrophy (my clear favorite -- I'll try to remember this if ever asked) reproductive and child health residential care home Residential Children's Home right cerebral hemisphere Royal Children's Hospital Small unit of measurement Huh, what? That last one sounds right, so I followed the link and learned this: What is RCH? One of the definitions of RCH is "Small unit of measurement". Very informative! So much more than the original page with just, "Small unit of measurement." One of the definitions of redundancy is "Being redundant." I know... As you have shown, the dedicated googler can eventually sometimes find the desired relevant information. Especially if the answer is already known. As with most www experiences, sometimes what you find by accident is more interesting than what you wanted, but there is no guarantee that it will be easy, at all, to find what you really wanted. There has been an ad on US tv recently for a competing search engine. Real people give random orthogonal answers to simple questions, suggesting the google experience. Marketing genius. But I never used the new one. Let's try the same search on Bing. Nope. The same random stuff, but it gets more random even faster than google. Sorry for yet another digression, but it was fun trying the experiment and venting about seeing what I expected to see.
CV
Christian Vogel
Thu, Aug 20, 2009 9:23 AM

Hi Rex,

Yep, as usual Google is fantastic for this task. Asking, 'RCH
definition', I found out this:

Royal Canadian Hussars

...

try the "urban dictionary", it's a very good reference for slang terms,
not safe for work for some, though...

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=rph

Chris
Hi Rex, > Yep, as usual Google is fantastic for this task. Asking, 'RCH > definition', I found out this: > > Royal Canadian Hussars ... try the "urban dictionary", it's a very good reference for slang terms, not safe for work for some, though... http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=rph Chris
NM
Neville Michie
Thu, Aug 20, 2009 9:25 AM

One of the more interesting units used in the air conditioning
industry in USA in the past was

a measure of wall insulation which was tons per square foot per inch
per degree Fahrenheit.
That is the number of tons of ice per 24 hour period that must melt
to sustain a temperature difference
of one degree F per square foot of wall one inch thick.
Not far off furlongs per cubic fortnight.
cheers, Neville Michie

> One of the more interesting units used in the air conditioning > industry in USA in the past was a measure of wall insulation which was tons per square foot per inch per degree Fahrenheit. That is the number of tons of ice per 24 hour period that must melt to sustain a temperature difference of one degree F per square foot of wall one inch thick. Not far off furlongs per cubic fortnight. cheers, Neville Michie
MD
Magnus Danielson
Thu, Aug 20, 2009 10:06 AM

Neville Michie wrote:

One of the more interesting units used in the air conditioning
industry in USA in the past was

a measure of wall insulation which was tons per square foot per inch
per degree Fahrenheit.
That is the number of tons of ice per 24 hour period that must melt to
sustain a temperature difference
of one degree F per square foot of wall one inch thick.
Not far off furlongs per cubic fortnight.

It is clear that inventing new measures which hopefully was logical in
their original context has never been discouraged.

Some of them has ceased to exist while others has been refined and is
now part of the SI units.

I am still supprised that optical people talk about wavelength rather
than frequency, it's like they haven't grasped the effects of different
wave propagation speeds (which changes the actual length of the wave,
but not the frequency).

Cheers,
Magnus

Neville Michie wrote: > >> One of the more interesting units used in the air conditioning >> industry in USA in the past was > a measure of wall insulation which was tons per square foot per inch > per degree Fahrenheit. > That is the number of tons of ice per 24 hour period that must melt to > sustain a temperature difference > of one degree F per square foot of wall one inch thick. > Not far off furlongs per cubic fortnight. It is clear that inventing new measures which hopefully was logical in their original context has never been discouraged. Some of them has ceased to exist while others has been refined and is now part of the SI units. I am still supprised that optical people talk about wavelength rather than frequency, it's like they haven't grasped the effects of different wave propagation speeds (which changes the actual length of the wave, but not the frequency). Cheers, Magnus
LJ
Lux, Jim (337C)
Thu, Aug 20, 2009 2:09 PM

Or, what about "boiler HP" which has almost no relation to the HP used in connection with motors and engines.

They still use that measure of insulation, slightly changed, as R value: BTU/hr = 1/R * delta T(deg F) * square feet

Tons, as a unit of refrigerating capacity (12000 BTU/hr) is still widely used (e.g. My house has a 5 ton air conditioner).  Small AC units are rated in BTU/hr (e.g. The window type units are 5000 or 9000 BTU/hr)

While somewhat weird, they DO have a practical basis.  Before mechanical refrigeration, one bought ice by the ton, at least if you were big enough to be interested in a mechanical refrigerator, so it's natural for the makers of such systems to give the performance in units familiar to the customer (Hey, Mr. Meat Locker owner, I'm Mr. Carrier, and you're buying 10 tons a day of ice. I've got this machine here that can replace that, for only $X.  Such a deal)

Once you marched down the BTU path, the (U.S.) R-value numbers make total sense.  I think that in Europe, the R value is calculated differently.

On 8/20/09 2:25 AM, "Neville Michie" namichie@gmail.com wrote:

One of the more interesting units used in the air conditioning
industry in USA in the past was

a measure of wall insulation which was tons per square foot per inch
per degree Fahrenheit.
That is the number of tons of ice per 24 hour period that must melt
to sustain a temperature difference
of one degree F per square foot of wall one inch thick.
Not far off furlongs per cubic fortnight.
cheers, Neville Michie


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Or, what about "boiler HP" which has almost no relation to the HP used in connection with motors and engines. They still use that measure of insulation, slightly changed, as R value: BTU/hr = 1/R * delta T(deg F) * square feet Tons, as a unit of refrigerating capacity (12000 BTU/hr) is still widely used (e.g. My house has a 5 ton air conditioner). Small AC units are rated in BTU/hr (e.g. The window type units are 5000 or 9000 BTU/hr) While somewhat weird, they DO have a practical basis. Before mechanical refrigeration, one bought ice by the ton, at least if you were big enough to be interested in a mechanical refrigerator, so it's natural for the makers of such systems to give the performance in units familiar to the customer (Hey, Mr. Meat Locker owner, I'm Mr. Carrier, and you're buying 10 tons a day of ice. I've got this machine here that can replace that, for only $X. Such a deal) Once you marched down the BTU path, the (U.S.) R-value numbers make total sense. I think that in Europe, the R value is calculated differently. On 8/20/09 2:25 AM, "Neville Michie" <namichie@gmail.com> wrote: > One of the more interesting units used in the air conditioning > industry in USA in the past was a measure of wall insulation which was tons per square foot per inch per degree Fahrenheit. That is the number of tons of ice per 24 hour period that must melt to sustain a temperature difference of one degree F per square foot of wall one inch thick. Not far off furlongs per cubic fortnight. cheers, Neville Michie _______________________________________________ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
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J. Forster
Thu, Aug 20, 2009 4:48 PM

Civil engineers measure water reservoirs in Acre-Feet.

-John

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One of the more interesting units used in the air conditioning
industry in USA in the past was

a measure of wall insulation which was tons per square foot per inch
per degree Fahrenheit.
That is the number of tons of ice per 24 hour period that must melt
to sustain a temperature difference
of one degree F per square foot of wall one inch thick.
Not far off furlongs per cubic fortnight.
cheers, Neville Michie


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Civil engineers measure water reservoirs in Acre-Feet. -John =============== >> One of the more interesting units used in the air conditioning >> industry in USA in the past was > a measure of wall insulation which was tons per square foot per inch > per degree Fahrenheit. > That is the number of tons of ice per 24 hour period that must melt > to sustain a temperature difference > of one degree F per square foot of wall one inch thick. > Not far off furlongs per cubic fortnight. > cheers, Neville Michie > > > _______________________________________________ > time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com > To unsubscribe, go to > https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts > and follow the instructions there. > >